OT, AKB: rental car scam

PSU Mike

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Any ideas on a way to the right outcome here? (Long one)

Situation: Picked up a white Sixt rental car in Philly early morning, March 22. They give you 10 minutes or so to note any damage. There were like 12-15 notes already, and I noted 3-4 more. I recall it being hard to see much in the low light, and even harder to capture images of what I added to noted damage report (via web link). No rental employee was with me.

Had the car through March 25, when I returned it at (dark) DCA garage. No incidents whatsoever during the rental. I parked it at the end of a hotel lot with no others cars around. Never parallel parked it, etc. Had passengers (witnesses) with me for all but first 10 miles of rental.

At time of return they have you drive through some sort of light-based scanner. No rental employee is with you. I told the employee at kiosk there was no incident with car - rental went great.

March 26(next day) they email me saying there was damage to passenger front wheel. Image shows a mark on wheel, but tire shows nothing. I respond via web link saying nothing would have touched that wheel, and tire would show at least a mark if the damage occurred so recently. If anything I didn’t see that mark, or thought it was already noted.

April 1 (5-6 days after return) they email me saying there was a 2-4” scratch on passenger door, down to primer. This time I remind them via web link response the care I took with the car, and stated it was not there (we’d have seen something so allegedly obvious) while I had the car.

April 4 (10 days after return) Guess what? They say I damaged the driver side lower spoiler. This time I respond the same and order them to cease harassing me with their scam.

I filed a fraud complaint with FTC.

Now a subrugation/claims company, FleetResponse, is presenting me with bills. I told them none of this happened while I had the car and I won’t be paying. I call State Farm to ask how my ample coverage works in this situation. They basically said that if I claim it’s fraud they will not pay the claims company, and they may keep coming after me. If I say I was responsible for the damage they’ll probably pay, but of course I’ll probably take a premium hit.

Any ideas how I can break this circle of absurdity?

They’re basically alleging that three separate damages occurred that, if you think about it from a location standpoint, would have had to have happened from separate incidents (unless I was in a demolition derby).
 
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TheBigUglies

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Threaten them with a lawsuit? Maybe they would back off. I think some scammers like this just do this because some will just pay to make it go away but if you push back or threaten to take legal action or something like that they back off. It is a numbers game to the scammers. Scam 50% of the renters maybe 2% pay and they get some money.
 

Lion84

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Weird the way the handled the rental - I rented from Enterprise not too long ago and they didn't even look at the car just gave me the keys and off I went. I would keep going up the chain at Sixt and see if someone will cut you a break - helps if you previously rented form them or a corporate renter. I have seen them when renting but never used them and now never will.
 

BobPSU92

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It doesn’t help with this incident, but I have only rented from Hertz, Avis, and Enterprise and have never had an issue.

Sixt is a German company and has developed a greater presence in the U.S. in the last few years. I’ve wondered how they compared to the major U.S. companies. Now I know. 😐
 

PSU Mike

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What's the amount they claim you owe?
So far we’re at about $1200 ($575 & $625). Still haven’t asked for anything on the wheel. The bills came 3 weeks apart.

The BBB complaints almost all say the same thing.

I think located at least three class action judgments against them in the past year. Their strategy appears to be to lather, rinse, repeat until an agency & judge shuts them down altogether.
 
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Midnighter

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So far we’re at about $1200 ($575 & $625). Still haven’t asked for anything on the wheel. The bills came 3 weeks apart.

The BBB complaints almost all say the same thing.

I think located at least three class action judgments against them in the past year. Their strategy appears to be to lather, rinse, repeat until an agency & judge shuts them down altogether.

I used Sixt a lot in Europe with zero issues. That said, I take pictures of everything now as soon as I get the car and when I return it. Sixt isn't a mom and pop shop; I'd try to speak to someone with some authority there. Were you given an 'all clear' document when you turned the car in (by email)? This seems excessive, especially with items coming weeks apart.
 

PSU Mike

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I used Sixt a lot in Europe with zero issues. That said, I take pictures of everything now as soon as I get the car and when I return it. Sixt isn't a mom and pop shop; I'd try to speak to someone with some authority there. Were you given an 'all clear' document when you turned the car in (by email)? This seems excessive, especially with items coming weeks apart.
No, I had a hard time documenting the marks I found at pickup, and didn’t think to take pictures to document what wasn’t there.

Guess I’ll contact one of the firms that handled the prior class action suits and see if they’ve been accruing enough for another.

This is such ******** on a number of levels. We give you a short period to do a visual check while we get to pore over images for 10 days from some type of scan that, you would think, is supposed to be superior at detecting flaws. You never get to directly see what they allege. Then they ask you to pay for repairs that they never intend to do (hence the 15 documented issues on the pickup report). Then when you try to view the digital images of the alleged damages (that they likely altered), they have disappeared from the web, and you’re stuck with a fuzzy printed copy in their request for payment, which is now farmed out to a third party to insulate them further.
 

Midnighter

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No, I had a hard time documenting the marks I found at pickup, and didn’t think to take pictures to document what wasn’t there.

Guess I’ll contact one of the firms that handled the prior class action suits and see if they’ve been accruing enough for another.

This is such ******** on a number of levels. We give you a short period to do a visual check while we get to pore over images for 10 days from some type of scan that, you would think, is supposed to be superior at detecting flaws. You never get to directly see what they allege. Then they ask you to pay for repairs that they never intend to do (hence the 15 documented issues on the pickup report). Then when you try to view the digital images of the alleged damages (that they likely altered), they have disappeared from the web, and you’re stuck with a fuzzy printed copy in their request for payment, which is now farmed out to a third party to insulate them further.

When did FleetResponse enter the picture? They seem to be the folks responsible for this IMO....
 

PSU Mike

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When did FleetResponse enter the picture? They seem to be the folks responsible for this IMO....
Subrugation agent. I think they handle insurance claims when you purchase separate insurance, and (I assume) purchase the car companies’ claims as assets that they then try to collect.
 

Erial_Lion

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It doesn’t help with this incident, but I have only rented from Hertz, Avis, and Enterprise and have never had an issue.

Sixt is a German company and has developed a greater presence in the U.S. in the last few years. I’ve wondered how they compared to the major U.S. companies. Now I know. 😐
I was in Florida for 2 days last month and was going to just Uber around, but Expedia basically gave me a free car so I thought "sure". It was from Fox Rental...when I picked up my car, I started to get really nervous. Trying to upsell me on insurance pretty hard (I passed), trying to upsell me on prepaid gas at a bad price, upsell on all tolls covered at a horrible price, etc.

In the end, it worked out well and I paid no unexpected charges. It was a bit of a hassle in that I had to take a shuttle to their company instead of picking up the car right there...but I'd consider it again if the price was right.
 

Midnighter

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Subrugation agent. I think they handle insurance claims when you purchase separate insurance, and (I assume) purchase the car companies’ claims as assets that they then try to collect.

These companies are the worst. They probably have a side hustle with some Sixt employees to gin up damage claims that they'll split between them. Used to work at a place where these phony 'federal safety' newsletter folks would call and offer a free subscription to their quarterly newsletter - it's like, four or five pages of OSHA updates and safety news. You agree over the phone, and they switch you to a 'clearing house' to confirm your subscription. While there, they ask you to give them your birth year or something to verify everything. Two months later you get a bill for $895.00 for the subscription, and when you refuse they immediately refer you to collections (which is a company they also own). This was a PA based company too.
 

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So far we’re at about $1200 ($575 & $625). Still haven’t asked for anything on the wheel. The bills came 3 weeks apart.

The BBB complaints almost all say the same thing.

I think located at least three class action judgments against them in the past year. Their strategy appears to be to lather, rinse, repeat until an agency & judge shuts them down altogether.
Send a certified letter with a signature request to the company. Within the letter outline their absurd claims and refute them with the facts you have at the moment.

This is a cheap deterrent which occasionally works. If you receive a response, let us know.

Shalom