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NewJerseyGuy

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mildone said:
Wait, if it’s all about God’s will, then doesn’t that mean God made Sleepy Joe Biden president in the first place? Are you now, blasphemously, saying God made a mistake?

Well, either way, you should probably stay home on Election Day ‘cause God has a plan and we don’t need you screwing it up. 😇
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If it were not God’s will for Biden to be president, he wouldn’t be.

Sometimes God appoints kings and rulers that a people wants and that they deserve:

1 Samuel 10-19

10 So Samuel spoke all the words of the Lord to the people who had asked of him a king. 11 He said, “This will be the [d]procedure of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and place them for himself in his chariots and among his horsemen and they will run before his chariots. 12 He will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and of fifties, and some to [e]do his plowing and to reap his harvest and to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will also take your daughters for perfumers and cooks and bakers.14 He will take the best of your fields and your vineyards and your olive groves and give themto his servants. 15 He will take a tenth of your seed and of your vineyards and give to his officers and to his servants. 16 He will also take your male servants and your female servants and your best young men and your donkeys and [f]use them for his work. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his servants. 18 Then you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

19 Nevertheless, the people refused to listen to the voice of Samuel, and they said, “No, but there shall be a king over us,”
 
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WhichReligionIsRight said:
Take this crap to the politics board.
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True. My Bad (but I can't actually because I'm not premium). I try hard not to do such things but this situation right now put me over the top. My apologies to all.

@mildone (you've heard of free will right bro? maybe this is his way of teaching us a lesson lol) ..and watch out, I'm working 5 of the 10 days of early voting plus election day. 😛
 
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CERU00 said:
Good stuff. I spent a handful of years as a CVD SiC engineer. We produced components for very high temp materials in combustion environments. It would be good news if the US gets ahead and stays ahead in this tech.
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Ceramic nerds rejoice! I'm guessing you are class of 2000. We do some work for that company, and there are a couple of RU ceramic engineering grads there.
 
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mildone_rivals

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NewJerseyGuy said:
If it were not God’s will for Biden to be president, he wouldn’t be.

Sometimes God appoints kings and rulers that a people wants and that they deserve:

1 Samuel 10-19

10 So Samuel spoke all the words of the Lord to the people who had asked of him a king. 11 He said, “This will be the [d]procedure of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and place them for himself in his chariots and among his horsemen and they will run before his chariots. 12 He will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and of fifties, and some to [e]do his plowing and to reap his harvest and to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will also take your daughters for perfumers and cooks and bakers.14 He will take the best of your fields and your vineyards and your olive groves and give themto his servants. 15 He will take a tenth of your seed and of your vineyards and give to his officers and to his servants. 16 He will also take your male servants and your female servants and your best young men and your donkeys and [f]use them for his work. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his servants. 18 Then you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

19 Nevertheless, the people refused to listen to the voice of Samuel, and they said, “No, but there shall be a king over us,”
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Sounds like an argument for anarchy. 🙂

If there's a God of the sort that meddles in the daily affairs of people, something about which I'm undecided but pretty skeptical, then at least there's logic to what you said, and what I joked about in my last post.

As for what Samuel purported said God purportedly said about kings (which is all hearsay, but whatever), I am personally okay with both kings and presidents. But that's because I don't have any silly partisan expectations of any of them. I expect them ALL, regardless of party, to mostly fail, and only ever succeed a little bit. And none of them ever let me down in that respect.
 
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mildone_rivals

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mdk01 said:
I'll leave God out of this. But the only way such a ban would be put in place is if the politician putting it there knows he/she will be out of office (death may not prevent voting but does stop office holding) when the reaction and consequences take place.
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I understood that to be what you meant when you brought up Biden's not having to be around when any such bans were implemented. And I agree that any president that enacts such a ban is likely to not get reelected. OTOH, some might do it in their second term if they really think it's the best thing for the nation. Far too soon to say it's the best thing, though, IMO.
 
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NewJerseyGuy said:
If it were not God’s will for Biden to be president, he wouldn’t be.

Sometimes God appoints kings and rulers that a people wants and that they deserve:

1 Samuel 10-19

10 So Samuel spoke all the words of the Lord to the people who had asked of him a king. 11 He said, “This will be the [d]procedure of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and place them for himself in his chariots and among his horsemen and they will run before his chariots. 12 He will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and of fifties, and some to [e]do his plowing and to reap his harvest and to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will also take your daughters for perfumers and cooks and bakers.14 He will take the best of your fields and your vineyards and your olive groves and give themto his servants. 15 He will take a tenth of your seed and of your vineyards and give to his officers and to his servants. 16 He will also take your male servants and your female servants and your best young men and your donkeys and [f]use them for his work. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his servants. 18 Then you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

19 Nevertheless, the people refused to listen to the voice of Samuel, and they said, “No, but there shall be a king over us,”
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Sigh. Now we're going biblical in the EV thread.
 
NewJerseyGuy

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RUevolution36 said:
Why is someone quoting scripture and others talking about God and politics in an EV thread? What wrong turn did you all take to end up here?
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Doesn’t seem like a stretch to me that someone would look to the Bible to formulate a response to several posts about God since the Bible is about and written by God.

I like to go straight to the source.

Happy Sunday!
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
Go away
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mildone said:
Still peddling “stats” produced by Tesla that say Tesla is the best, eh?

What would be worse, I wonder (or better, if you prefer): worshiping a deity or worshiping a car company? I only ask because I am curious as to which religion is right. 🙂
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I'm very bullish on other EV manufacturers. Once Ford corrects their electronics issues, they will be a force. The E150 and Mustang are great vehicles. But Tesla is the best.
 
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OntheBanks said:
I just began looking into EV & PHEV's so I'm not close to being an expert. But why would you want to rent a battery pack for a month if you needed to recharge every week or two?
I know if I bought an EV or PHEV I would plug in at home every night.
So someone please explain why one would rent a battery pack. Thanks
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you can still charge a rented battery pack overnight. the thing is distance driving and the time it takes to charge up. swapping a battery pack might take 5 minutes.. recharging an empty battery? also.. if you rent battery packs the cost of the batteries is not in the initial purchase lowering the cost of entry a bit.

but the previous response to this idea that called it unfeasible because of the designs to protect the batteries from road hazards and collisions... that was convincing to me so I just dropped the idea.
 
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WhichReligionIsRight said:
I'm very bullish on other EV manufacturers. Once Ford corrects their electronics issues, they will be a force. The E150 and Mustang are great vehicles. But Tesla is the best.
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There is no such thing as a “best” car maker, EV or otherwise. You might like it the best. But calling any car company the best is like calling a particular religion the best. No matter how aggressively or creatively one attempts to define their opinion, no matter how cleverly one attempts to narrowly constrain the discussion to suit one’s choice, it’s still nothing more than an unprovable opinion.

And you cannot use sales volume as a measure for “best”. Not unless you want to also use it to define what’s better, religiousness or atheism/agnosticism - and I’m guessing you don’t want to do that.

You can say “has the best sales numbers right now”. That would be factually true, if only talking about EVs.
 
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Question about hybrids, when you run out of electricity from the battery, is there something on the dashboard that tells you how much you have left. Do you have to flip a switch to go to gas or does it change automatically. At some point in the future I won’t be kayaking anymore and I really like the look of the Ford Maverick hybrid.
 
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HeavenUniv. said:
Question about hybrids, when you run out of electricity from the battery, is there something on the dashboard that tells you how much you have left. Do you have to flip a switch to go to gas or does it change automatically. At some point in the future I won’t be kayaking anymore and I really like the look of the Ford Maverick hybrid.
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1. You can easily find a rack that will hold your 12 ft. kayak on the New Maverick or lots of other vehicles.
2. Hybrids do their thing automatically.
 
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16E, thanks for the hybrid info. Fooled around with racks for years and years. That was one of the main reasons I got the Colorado instead of another car. I just throw it on the bed. Have four bungee cords I wrap around and through and am on my way. Even with the tailgate down on the Maverick, a LOT of boat would be hanging out. Just not comfortable with that. Besides, I am only at 125,000 with the Colorado. Maybe in a couple years I might get something new. Also, I would want the extended cab 1.5 doors which they say may be out in a couple years. That is the kind I have currently. The $20,000 price is outstanding! Going to pull in a lot of people who always wanted a truck but couldn’t afford/didn’t want an F150/Silverado.
 
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HeavenUniv. said:
Question about hybrids, when you run out of electricity from the battery, is there something on the dashboard that tells you how much you have left. Do you have to flip a switch to go to gas or does it change automatically. At some point in the future I won’t be kayaking anymore and I really like the look of the Ford Maverick hybrid.
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If you're thinking about hybrids for environmental reasons/emissions, I recommend diving a bit deeper. Many hybrids are simply compliance cars that manufacturers put out to avoid paying for regulatory credits. It's not unusual to get a tiny, basically useless battery pack, and the car runs as an ICE most of the time. This isn't true for all, but it's something worth investigating. Also, some hybrids require plug in charging, others do not.

I know 2 people who own hybrids, and when I asked them, "how much energy does the battery pack hold?", neither knew the answer.
 
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Some high end super cars with Hybrid tech only use it for acceleration.

But I don't think most people are buying those.
 
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Scarlet_Scourge said:
Some high end super cars with Hybrid tech only use it for acceleration.

But I don't think most people are buying those.
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The bolded part is very true. Those sorts of supercars tend to appreciate rapidly after purchase (if cared for and not driven a ton) due to their scarcity (they are typically built in limited production runs). Even if one can afford to spend millions on a car, there just aren't enough of a particular model for everyone that wants one to have one.

In all cases (of such supercars) I'm aware of, the hybridization is mostly, if not entirely, about performance, as opposed to MPG (although marketing hype might say otherwise sometimes and some of them can meander along under full electric power a short ways).

OTOH, there are a number of hybrids whose hybridization IS mostly about MPG. Just not the sorts of supercars I think you're talking about.

And there are some where it's both performance and MPG (e.g. the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid).

Despite what the EV-only people say, I suspect hybrid technologies of various sorts (including some not yet invented), will play a large role in future vehicle power for many years to come. I think EV tech is a "we haven't figured out anything nearly as efficient as gas but at least we understand and are improving batteries" kind of thing. As opposed to batteries being a great thing, which they really aren't.

A "great thing" would be figuring out how to covert something in plentiful supply everywhere into energy powerful enough to propel vehicles of all kinds on demand, as opposed to having to generate, transmit, and store it.

I can dream, can't I? 🙂
 
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mildone_rivals

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fsg2 said:
Not 100, but fully functioning hands meant to take over daily tasks, so ....
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Carrying the theme to an extreme...

I've been hoping the COVID vaccine would cause me to grow a third arm. Be almost like being Mormon... more or less. Sadly, no such luck.

Crap, now the puns are overloading my neural circuits...

A new band name: "Third Arm Blind".

If I were Jamaican, it'd be almost like being more, mon.

A handsome bit of polygamy.

Anyway, I'll just leave this here: ***** NOT SAFE FOR WORK OR CHILDREN *****

 
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RUevolution36 said:
I would buy one if i could afford one...
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A beautiful 918 Spyder was on display in the showroom at Paul Miller Porsche awhile back. Might still be there. Wasn't theirs, but a customer's they were displaying. I asked and was told it could possibly be had for the low low price of around $2.7M, give or take a $100K.

Hm... well that was before the used car price craziness we're experiencing. Might be more now. Better call first.
 
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mildone said:
A beautiful 918 Spyder was on display in the showroom at Paul Miller Porsche awhile back. Might still be there. Wasn't theirs, but a customer's they were displaying. I asked and was told it could possibly be had for the low low price of around $2.7M, give or take a $100K.

Hm... well that was before the used car price craziness we're experiencing. Might be more now. Better call first.
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I'll take the Ferrari 296 GTB...its a bit more reasonable in price lol
 
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RUevolution36 said:
I'll take the Ferrari 296 GTB...its a bit more reasonable in price lol
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True, if you can get hold of one, that'll be way cheaper and new even.

I wonder how many will be built? Or will Ferrari make as many of them as customers will buy?

The 918 was originally under $1M when new. A 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO just sold for $48M. But they were only like $18K when first sold.

Imagine that. Although, if you think about it, that only works out to about 14.2% interest per year. Not horrible, but considering the cost of insurance all that time, plus maintenance, and the need to purchase other cars to actually drive, it's not exactly an amazing investment return.

Let this be a lesson to you kids reading this. Max out your 401k w/matching starting with your very first job, and never stop doing so, and before you know it, you will be able to buy a Ferrari.
 
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mildone said:
The bolded part is very true. Those sorts of supercars tend to appreciate rapidly after purchase (if cared for and not driven a ton) due to their scarcity (they are typically built in limited production runs). Even if one can afford to spend millions on a car, there just aren't enough of a particular model for everyone that wants one to have one.

In all cases (of such supercars) I'm aware of, the hybridization is mostly, if not entirely, about performance, as opposed to MPG (although marketing hype might say otherwise sometimes and some of them can meander along under full electric power a short ways).

OTOH, there are a number of hybrids whose hybridization IS mostly about MPG. Just not the sorts of supercars I think you're talking about.

And there are some where it's both performance and MPG (e.g. the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid).

Despite what the EV-only people say, I suspect hybrid technologies of various sorts (including some not yet invented), will play a large role in future vehicle power for many years to come. I think EV tech is a "we haven't figured out anything nearly as efficient as gas but at least we understand and are improving batteries" kind of thing. As opposed to batteries being a great thing, which they really aren't.

A "great thing" would be figuring out how to covert something in plentiful supply everywhere into energy powerful enough to propel vehicles of all kinds on demand, as opposed to having to generate, transmit, and store it.

I can dream, can't I? 🙂
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Gasoline engines are efficient? Since when?
Gas is cheap and abundant. Not efficient. About 90% of the potential energy of gasoline is released as heat and does nothing to actually propel the vehicle. Gasoline engines are the opposite of efficient.
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
Gasoline engines are efficient? Since when?
Gas is cheap and abundant. Not efficient. About 90% of the potential energy of gasoline is released as heat and does nothing to actually propel the vehicle. Gasoline engines are the opposite of efficient.
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Yeah, you're right. I wrote that part wrong. I need a different term (than "efficiency") to describe how much more range gas can provide, especially with a bit of hybridization.

For example the Tesla Model S Long Range Plus comes with a 104 kwh battery and will go a bit over 300 miles at 75 mph. Whereas a 2017 Kia Optima Hybrid has just under a 16 gallon tank and a range of a bit over 700 miles. Edit: Actually, the Hyundai Ioniq Blue has only a 12 gallon tank and a range of 700 miles, so is maybe an even better example of what I'm talking about.

The Tesla's battery is gonna weigh over 1000 pounds. 16 gallons of gas is gonna weight about 96 pounds.

I actually can't think of the right term to use concisely represent that difference. "Weight and range efficiency" seems too verbose. Maybe "packaging"? I dunno. I'm drawing a blank.

References:

And this is a kind of interesting calculator, although it's a little misleading:
 
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We need to be harnessing the sun for power in the future moreso than on Electric Vehicles but Ill take it for now as it is much cleaner than gas--I cant comment on the costs one versus the other though
 
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