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RU4Real

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I thought the same, especially the part about the sharks stalking their boat. They will look for a book/movie deal next.

The narrative would suggest that they departed Hawaii with the intent of motoring to Tahiti. The boat doesn't carry enough fuel. According to their claim, when the engine became "flooded" (how, we don't know) and died, they thought they could continue under sail power alone (ya know, like a sailboat) but then "the mast broke". All of the photos clearly show that the mast and rig are intact and that both the main and jib are properly rigged.

Even so, she claims to have fixed the broken watermaker, but couldn't figure out how to make the sails work?

The shark thing is stupid. As is the latest claim that they were sure they weren't going to survive another 24 hours. I've never seen someone lost at sea for 5 months look so healthy and strong. There's footage of them climbing the rope ladder up the side of the USN frigate that "rescued" them.

Then there's the story from the mother of one of the women, who said that she because concerned (and called the coast guard) after not hearing from her daughter - and the excuse for this lapse in communication is that "her mobile phone fell overboard". Never mind that it would have stopped working 2 hours out of Hawaii.

This entire story is a fraud. It's somebody's bright idea to get a book / movie deal. And they should be exposed, mocked and ridiculed.
 

RUDutch

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Dogs and sailboats don't seem like a good idea either, especially for extended cruises. And I like both.
 

RU4Real

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Dogs and sailboats don't seem like a good idea either, especially for extended cruises. And I like both.

I would never have a dog on a sailboat. It's hard enough keeping them clean, as it is. I'm not even down with the idea of cats on boats. Eventually, it's gonna piss, **** or barf in some corner that you can't quite reach.
 

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Once when we took our Boxer on the ferry to Nantucket, I asked a crew member where the poop deck was. He didn't appreciate my humor.
 
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RU4Real

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Once when we took our Boxer on the ferry to Nantucket, I asked a crew member where the poop deck was. He didn't appreciate my humor.

It's bad enough teaching human crew proper toileting on the boat. Especially when they're newbies and have to deal with the confounding processes of the average marine head. Improperly positioned flush valves have led to many strained relationships.
 

mildone_rivals

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The narrative would suggest that they departed Hawaii with the intent of motoring to Tahiti. The boat doesn't carry enough fuel. According to their claim, when the engine became "flooded" (how, we don't know) and died, they thought they could continue under sail power alone (ya know, like a sailboat) but then "the mast broke". All of the photos clearly show that the mast and rig are intact and that both the main and jib are properly rigged.

Even so, she claims to have fixed the broken watermaker, but couldn't figure out how to make the sails work?

The shark thing is stupid. As is the latest claim that they were sure they weren't going to survive another 24 hours. I've never seen someone lost at sea for 5 months look so healthy and strong. There's footage of them climbing the rope ladder up the side of the USN frigate that "rescued" them.

Then there's the story from the mother of one of the women, who said that she because concerned (and called the coast guard) after not hearing from her daughter - and the excuse for this lapse in communication is that "her mobile phone fell overboard". Never mind that it would have stopped working 2 hours out of Hawaii.

This entire story is a fraud. It's somebody's bright idea to get a book / movie deal. And they should be exposed, mocked and ridiculed.
Let me play devil's advocate on this, since I mentioned #s doing that to himself in the other thread, and because I'm exactly the sort of douchebag that likes to do so in general...

First, I had exactly the same thought about the mast. It looks fine to me in that photo. However, it's possible that they somehow managed to foul ALL the halyards and couldn't raise any sails. And because ALL the halyards were fouled simultaenously, they couldn't lift someone up to clear them.

As to their health after 5 months at sea, it could've been from trying to paddle the boat to shore. Or maybe they jogged around the deck a hundred million times. Or, and this is my personal favorite option, they were having a boatload (pun intended) of very athletic lesbian sex with each other. I mean, what else are two healthy women gonna do all alone on a boat for 5 months?

I actually don't think they were saying they weren't going to survive another 24 hours before being rescued. I think they said that they only had about 24 hours to live before one of them managed to fix the broken water purifier. Which seems hyperbolic too, but slightly less hyperbolic than 24 hours before being rescued.

Having played devil's advocate, I tend to agree with you that something looks very fishy (weak-*** pun intended) about their account. But who can blame people for wanting to be on TV. After all, that seems to be, more or less, all it takes to get elected president these days.
 

RU4Real

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First, I had exactly the same thought about the mast. It looks fine to me in that photo. However, it's possible that they somehow managed to foul ALL the halyards and couldn't raise any sails. And because ALL the halyards were fouled simultaenously, they couldn't lift someone up to clear them.

The jib works. You can tell that by looking at it.

I think knowing more of their thought processes, start to finish, would be interesting. If incompetence is your intention, then fine. But if you deliberately set out to undertake such a trip with absolutely no idea, whatsoever, as to what you're doing...

I'd like to know more about that.
 

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Not a sailor (had power), but celestial navigation is/was the real deal. Also just finished a book titled "The Wave," which is about the dynamics of wave energy and set against the backdrop of world-class surfing and rogue waves that wreck ships and oil rigs, among other things. That's what I got.

Link to this book?
 
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mildone_rivals

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The jib works. You can tell that by looking at it.

I think knowing more of their thought processes, start to finish, would be interesting. If incompetence is your intention, then fine. But if you deliberately set out to undertake such a trip with absolutely no idea, whatsoever, as to what you're doing...

I'd like to know more about that.
Yeah, the jib is raised. It does seem that the only two things they did correctly in planning this trip was to pack a boadload of dry goods and a water purifier.
 

RUDutch

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It's now being reported that their story does not hold up. They had an emergency beacon that they never used and at one point had contact with the coast guard or another boat and indicated that they were not in distress.
 

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No sailing experience but very interested in survival situations and preparedness:

1. The lack of emergency beacon use is an immediate red flag. I would assume these are standard gear on boats? Especially when making a month long trip across the ocean? I'd probably pack 2 or 3 honestly.

When is it standard to use it? Waiting until you have 24 hours left seems like a bad idea. Wouldn't it possibly take longer than that to be rescued?
I'd attempt to use it after like 2 days of being lost - let alone 5 months.

2. If someone invited me for a month long trip on their sailboat after only knowing me for 3 days, I'd be extremely suspicious they were trying to kidnap/kill me. Sorry not sorry. Myabe it's me.

3. They packed a year supply of food (is this too much?) but used up 90% within 5 months. They didn't think to start rationing? Or even just eat normally? Did they start feeding the sharks with cheetos?
 

DJ Spanky

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In case anyone saw the story about the two women "sailors" rescued after 5 "lost" at sea and though to wonder about the veracity of said story... It's total ********. Some enterprising young journalist should spend a couple of days picking it apart.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...talk-shark-attacks-survival-article-1.3595214

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/navy-rescue-women.html
Yeah, that story smelled fishy the moment I read it. It seemed very contrived, and they seemed way, way too healthy if they had been drifting at sea for 5 months.
 

RUScrew85

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Yeah, that story smelled fishy the moment I read it. It seemed very contrived, and they seemed way, way too healthy if they had been drifting at sea for 5 months.

Agree - a dog was on the boat too and he was fine. They had enough food for the dog and them but no EPIRB?
 

RUScrew85

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Agree - a dog was on the boat too and he was fine. They had enough food for the dog and them but no EPIRB?

Maybe one of the girls wanted some "alone time" with the other to wear her down? Someone got an intensive 5 month course in Tuna Fishing. <wink wink>

 
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RU4Real

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No sailing experience but very interested in survival situations and preparedness:

1. The lack of emergency beacon use is an immediate red flag. I would assume these are standard gear on boats? Especially when making a month long trip across the ocean? I'd probably pack 2 or 3 honestly.

When is it standard to use it? Waiting until you have 24 hours left seems like a bad idea. Wouldn't it possibly take longer than that to be rescued?
I'd attempt to use it after like 2 days of being lost - let alone 5 months.

2. If someone invited me for a month long trip on their sailboat after only knowing me for 3 days, I'd be extremely suspicious they were trying to kidnap/kill me. Sorry not sorry. Myabe it's me.

3. They packed a year supply of food (is this too much?) but used up 90% within 5 months. They didn't think to start rationing? Or even just eat normally? Did they start feeding the sharks with cheetos?

You're correct - EPIRBs are pretty cheap these days and most ocean-going cruisers carry more than one. They run anywhere from $300 to $1000 and can cover a variety of use cases. Abby Sunderland, who attempted a solo circumnavigation at 16, carried 3. One was manually activated, once was stowed in her ditch bag for use on a life raft and the other was an automatic unit that triggered when it was submerged in more than 15' of water (i.e. the boat sank).

Generally speaking you deploy an EPIRB when the boat is no longer safe sanctuary. The old adage is "you always want to step up into a life raft, you never step down to it", meaning that if your vessel is afloat and intact, it's the safest place to be. If you're adrift and running out of supplies then, in general, 24 hours worth of provisions is more than sufficient. When an EPIRB is deployed someone is going to get to you in less time than that.
 

RU4Real

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There's a Frenchman at sea, right now. His name is Francois Gabart and he's sailing - solo - aboard a purpose-built, 96' trimaran named Macif. Gabart is trying to break the world record for a single-handed circumnavigation, which currently stands at 49 days, 3 hours as set by Thomas Coville a year ago on the 105' trimaran Sobebo.

Today brought great news, as Gabart has just shattered the 24 hour distance record for any sail-driven boat. He made 862 nautical miles in 24 hours, for an average 35.91 kts or 41 mph.

 
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mildone_rivals

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There's a Frenchman at sea, right now. His name is Francois Gabart and he's sailing - solo - aboard a purpose-built, 96' trimaran named Macif. Gabart is trying to break the world record for a single-handed circumnavigation, which currently stands at 49 days, 3 hours as set by Thomas Coville a year ago on the 105' trimaran Sobebo.

Today brought great news, as Gabart has just shattered the 24 hour distance record for any sail-driven boat. He made 862 nautical miles in 24 hours, for an average 35.91 kts or 41 mph.

That's impressive. Although such records are kind of... non-deterministic, for lack of a better term. Because weather and sea conditions obviously play a big role and there's no way to control them. Still, it's impressive.
 

RU4Real

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That's impressive. Although such records are kind of... non-deterministic, for lack of a better term. Because weather and sea conditions obviously play a big role and there's no way to control them. Still, it's impressive.

It's funny you mention that. In a recent interview, Gabart spoke about how a successful attempt relied on being able to ride from one weather system to the next and that they had to align, sequentially, in just the right way, so that you get the most favorable winds.

Might be that @RU848789 finds that sort of thing interesting, even if he's not really a boat guy. :)
 

mildone_rivals

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It's funny you mention that. In a recent interview, Gabart spoke about how a successful attempt relied on being able to ride from one weather system to the next and that they had to align, sequentially, in just the right way, so that you get the most favorable winds.

Might be that @RU848789 finds that sort of thing interesting, even if he's not really a boat guy. :)
A lot of what goes into winning ocean races is finding the course that results in spending the most time in the best available weather conditions (i.e. the highest winds, without being overpowered, along the best point of sail for the particular boat, with the most favorable current). Deviating much from rhumb line increases risk, but the potential reward is finding the greatest velocity made good for a long enough period so as to get to the next mark the quickest.

Given that the Newport Bemuda race is (essentially) a two-mark race (a straight line), but which has the tricky gulf stream currents to content with, getting the course strategy right is pretty critical to success. When I did that race, I seem to recall that weather information offshore was pretty sparse compared to what was available along the coasts. So there was a lot of guesswork involved. I would have to think people get much better information these days.
 

RU4Real

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A lot of what goes into winning ocean races is finding the course that results in spending the most time in the best available weather conditions (i.e. the highest winds, without being overpowered, along the best point of sail for the particular boat, with the most favorable current). Deviating much from rhumb line increases risk, but the potential reward is finding the greatest velocity made good for a long enough period so as to get to the next mark the quickest.

Given that the Newport Bemuda race is (essentially) a two-mark race (a straight line), but which has the tricky gulf stream currents to content with, getting the course strategy right is pretty critical to success. When I did that race, I seem to recall that weather information offshore was pretty sparse compared to what was available along the coasts. So there was a lot of guesswork involved. I would have to think people get much better information these days.

The whole reason that the N-B is a thing, I think, is because it's an exceptionally challenging point-to-point due to the influence of the Gulf Stream - not just on currents and sea state, but winds as well. The overall synoptic picture could tell you what the winds are supposed to look like but the sharp contrast in water temperatures over a short distance can produce very localized wind conditions that are different from what the big picture suggests.

I'm just dying to do that race. I've wanted to do it for a really long time.
 

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The narrative would suggest that they departed Hawaii with the intent of motoring to Tahiti. The boat doesn't carry enough fuel. According to their claim, when the engine became "flooded" (how, we don't know) and died, they thought they could continue under sail power alone (ya know, like a sailboat) but then "the mast broke". All of the photos clearly show that the mast and rig are intact and that both the main and jib are properly rigged.

Even so, she claims to have fixed the broken watermaker, but couldn't figure out how to make the sails work?

The shark thing is stupid. As is the latest claim that they were sure they weren't going to survive another 24 hours. I've never seen someone lost at sea for 5 months look so healthy and strong. There's footage of them climbing the rope ladder up the side of the USN frigate that "rescued" them.

Then there's the story from the mother of one of the women, who said that she because concerned (and called the coast guard) after not hearing from her daughter - and the excuse for this lapse in communication is that "her mobile phone fell overboard". Never mind that it would have stopped working 2 hours out of Hawaii.

This entire story is a fraud. It's somebody's bright idea to get a book / movie deal. And they should be exposed, mocked and ridiculed.
I KNEW IT when I first saw that story.. something just wasn't "right".. glad to know a proper sailor could detail all the issues with that story.
 

RU4Real

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I KNEW IT when I first saw that story.. something just wasn't "right".. glad to know a proper sailor could detail all the issues with that story.

Their story has come under some scrutiny and all the media outlets have taken to ignoring them. Several of those outlets (CNN, WaPo, NYT) published stories around the end of October noting that the boat had at least one working EPIRB that was not activated. The crew's response to Coast Guard questioning on that matter was that they did not, at any time, feel they were in imminent danger since the boat was still seaworthy.

That would be in conflict with their previous statements.
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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Their story has come under some scrutiny and all the media outlets have taken to ignoring them. Several of those outlets (CNN, WaPo, NYT) published stories around the end of October noting that the boat had at least one working EPIRB that was not activated. The crew's response to Coast Guard questioning on that matter was that they did not, at any time, feel they were in imminent danger since the boat was still seaworthy.

That would be in conflict with their previous statements.
Probably the worst thing is that the dog undoubtedly suffered with these two women. And that.. probably because this is so strange.. there will be a lifetime movie about them... one way or the other. When I first saw the story I wondered how they could be SOOOOOOO far off in a sail boat.. how could they possibly bring enough fuel to motor all the way to .. where were they aiming.. Tahiti? if the could sail.. every day they saw the sun rise and set they could aim a little bit and be nowhere near where they ended up being found.. and a whole lot closer to where they said they were headed.
 

RU4Real

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Probably the worst thing is that the dog undoubtedly suffered with these two women. And that.. probably because this is so strange.. there will be a lifetime movie about them... one way or the other. When I first saw the story I wondered how they could be SOOOOOOO far off in a sail boat.. how could they possibly bring enough fuel to motor all the way to .. where were they aiming.. Tahiti? if the could sail.. every day they saw the sun rise and set they could aim a little bit and be nowhere near where they ended up being found.. and a whole lot closer to where they said they were headed.

Hell, it's not even that bad. They had power, because the boat was equipped (like most such boats) with solar and wind. They could power all the nav instruments. There was the bit about "the antenna broke", but again - if she could fix the watermaker, she couldn't figure out how to re-rig the antenna?

Not to mention the GPS antenna is a totally different thing from the radio antenna.
 

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I have back problems that preclude me single handing anymore but I have had several sailboats in the past here in Florida. I built a 21foot LUGER from a kit once. It was a fun boat I slept aboard many a night. Also had a 29ft WESTERLY with a big pilot house. Mostly I sailed Lake Eustis years ago and a LOT in the Keys. I did do a few trips to the Bahamas.from Ft Lauderdale to West End. As with mpost sailers I dreamed of sailing around the world. Presently I am watching a half dozen couple on UTube who are sailing around the world. La Vagabond. Sailing Doodles. There are many others on UTube.

These days I most recently have lived on a 28ft houseboat near Key West that shall soon be relocated to the Bradenton area.
 

RU4Real

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The "Clipper Round the World Race" is an annual-ish event that uses paying teams ("guests") to run one-design yachts through an 8 leg circumnavigation. Each boat has a professional captain but the remaining crew consists of folks with some (or little, or none) offshore experience who pay a fee to crew one or more legs.

The race is more than 20 years old, but has developed a questionable reputation after the 3rd crew death in as many years, just last week.

In addition to the fatalities, there have been a number of serious injuries at sea, some of which (including one about a week ago) have required emergency medevac.
 

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The "Clipper Round the World Race" is an annual-ish event that uses paying teams ("guests") to run one-design yachts through an 8 leg circumnavigation. Each boat has a professional captain but the remaining crew consists of folks with some (or little, or none) offshore experience who pay a fee to crew one or more legs.

The race is more than 20 years old, but has developed a questionable reputation after the 3rd crew death in as many years, just last week.

In addition to the fatalities, there have been a number of serious injuries at sea, some of which (including one about a week ago) have required emergency medevac.
Interesting... I suppose this is a better use of money than having sherpas haul you up Mount Everest.
 

RU4Real

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Interesting... I suppose this is a better use of money than having sherpas haul you up Mount Everest.

There's a market for offshore thrill passages. The Clipper brings a certain level of purpose, or justification if you will, to that market. Some of the other market entrants are nothing more than owner / captains that charter spots on their offshore cruising boats with the sole intention of sailing you into bad conditions. They market it as an instructional service, but it is what it is - some people are willing to pay money to be put in harm's way.

That the Clipper race is developing such a sketchy safety record in recent years is a little bit of a mystery. It operated for many years with no issues and now, suddenly, has become downright dangerous.
 

mildone_rivals

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The "Clipper Round the World Race" is an annual-ish event that uses paying teams ("guests") to run one-design yachts through an 8 leg circumnavigation. Each boat has a professional captain but the remaining crew consists of folks with some (or little, or none) offshore experience who pay a fee to crew one or more legs.

The race is more than 20 years old, but has developed a questionable reputation after the 3rd crew death in as many years, just last week.

In addition to the fatalities, there have been a number of serious injuries at sea, some of which (including one about a week ago) have required emergency medevac.
Read the fatality notice. Sad.

Washed overboard and the tether from the harness supposedly failed. At least that's the story. I'm skeptical that any tether failed. More likely that he either didn't bother clipping onto the jack line or he unclipped to reach something.

He was an experienced sailor. So at least it wasn't a case of a neophyte doing something stupid out of inexperience. Wouldn't want to be on that boat as it makes way towards Australia.

I'm trying to decide how to feel about the 36 minutes it took to get him back on board. I've done a ton of MOB drills, both on and off the helm. In calm conditions, I was clocking in well under 5 minutes every time. Probably closer to 2-3 minutes. Maybe less, I don't recall exactly.

They were in 20 knot winds w/40 knot gusts. Which means probably pretty high seas. Still, the MOB drill requires at least one crew-member to immediately act as a spotter to keep the MOB in sight at all times. Assuming the helmsman executed the MOB return maneuver correctly and instantly, even accounting for the heavy weather, I would think the boat should get back to the MOB in way less than 10 minutes.

I'm curious to know what went wrong.
 
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RU4Real

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In 1968, nine sailors set out on the very first solo circumnavigation race, sponsored by the London Times. The race was called The Golden Globe and it was to become perhaps the most historically significant sailing race of all time.

Of the nine entrants, only one was to finish. Francis Chichester on board the 40' Gipsy Moth completed the roughly 30,000 mile circumnavigation via the Five Capes (Aghulas, Leeuwin, South East, South West and Horn) in 226 days. The other eight contestants either retired, sank or committed suicide at sea. Of those, the Frenchman Bernard Moitessier may have become, in the final analysis, a more historically significant figure than Chichester. Moitessier rounded Cape Horn, eastbound, and instead of turning left into the Atlantic Ocean and heading for the finish line, rather famously said "f*ck it" and continued onward past Cape Aghulas, into the Indian Ocean, and spent several years bopping around the South Pacific.

Moitessier's years at sea resulted in a fabulous chronicle of his adventures, The Long Way, and his other writings on survival at sea - particularly in storm conditions such as those frequently found in the Southern Ocean, set the baseline for solo and shorthanded blue water sailing.

On July 1 of this year another group of solo sailors will depart Les Sables D'Olonne, France, for the 2018 running of the Golden Globe Race. They will follow roughly the same course as their forebears some five decades ago. The course is quite similar to that followed by the Everest of sailing, the Vendee Globe. There are, however, significant differences that make the GGR even more interesting.

Unlike the Vendee, the GGR is open to anyone who can demonstrate the successful completion of 8,000 miles of solo, blue water sailing. The participants are not highly-sponsored professional ocean racers. They will not be competing in 70', purpose-built, technology-laden speed machines. Competitors in the GGR must sail in factory-built, production boats generally described as "cruising boats".

Additionally, they must sail in a manner that is technologically consistent with the original GGR of 1968. This means no generators, no water makers, no GPS chart plotters, no constant high-speed satellite links. Navigation must be celestial. The only electronics allowed on board are an AIS tracking device, so the boats can be monitored from race HQ, an EPIRB in case of dire emergency (i.e. sinking), an SSB radio to summon help and a satellite texting device, to be used to send daily 100-character messages to race HQ to report progress and conditions.

Of the 31 entrants thus far named, there are three Americans:

Istvan Kopar, age 64. He will be sailing a Tradewind 35 named Puffin.

Roy Hubbard, age 28, on board Duke, a Baba 35.

Carl Huber, age 57, also sailing a Baba 35.

None of these boats are new - the Baba 35 was designed in the late 70s by Robert Perry and built by the Ta Shing yard in Taiwan. Roughly 75 were built, between 1979 and 1986. They're heavy boats - about 21,000 lbs - and the fleet has counted many, many circumnavigations.

The official web site for the Golden Globe Race is here.
 

RU4Real

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Was there ever any wrap up with those 2 women and their story?

None that I heard. A quick Google search suggests that the world more or less grew bored of them around the 8th of November. Sometime around the middle of November the two women started a GoFundMe to raise money "to encourage truth in media", claiming (at great length) that their story had been improperly told.

Even with the clarifications provided in the GoFundMe narrative, the whole thing still makes zero sense. The part about the sharks is especially ridiculous.

At any rate, the campaign was established to raise $50,000. After two months it has raised exactly $15. From two donors.

Which, I guess, pretty much says all there is to say about the tales of Jennifer Appel and Tasha Fuaiva.
 

koleszar

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None that I heard. A quick Google search suggests that the world more or less grew bored of them around the 8th of November. Sometime around the middle of November the two women started a GoFundMe to raise money "to encourage truth in media", claiming (at great length) that their story had been improperly told.

Even with the clarifications provided in the GoFundMe narrative, the whole thing still makes zero sense. The part about the sharks is especially ridiculous.

At any rate, the campaign was established to raise $50,000. After two months it has raised exactly $15. From two donors.

Which, I guess, pretty much says all there is to say about the tales of Jennifer Appel and Tasha Fuaiva.
Story makes absolutely no sense. They had a working EPIRB on board but never activated it? For 5 friggin months while they were adrift?

Also there was no storm in the area of Hawaii when they left and for days after. Like they claim.

They then claim they got in contact with Wake Island and they could only be helped if they reached the harbor? Your telling me everyone just ignored them once they couldn't reach the harbor. It's administered by the United States Air force for pete's sake and were only 2 miles from it.

Then the whole shark hampering story. What is Jaws not just a movie any longer? Complete bullsh*t.