OT- Reds fire David Bell
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Too bad the Castellini’s won’t fire themselves.
It's not the coaches it's not the players. It's the ownership. We need somebody with the biggest pockets available owning that team.
you cannot make the playoffs and win the world series without spending a lot of money in baseball.
Cincinnati has not won the world series since 1990 and it can't be the players /coaches fault.
All the current ownership is worried about is putting together mediocre baseball and taking your money
you cannot make the playoffs and win the world series without spending a lot of money in baseball.
Cincinnati has not won the world series since 1990 and it can't be the players /coaches fault.
All the current ownership is worried about is putting together mediocre baseball and taking your money
The issue with Bell is he isn't able to take what they DO have to the next level. So much lackadaisical play this year. The team was abysmal in 1-run games, just seemingly little competitive fire. Fundamentals were sorely lacking. A better manager can alleviate those things.
Always hear about the ole Reds and how it’s their year early on and then by the All-Star break it’s crickets. Usual 4th place finish. They have talent but the owners have to spend if they wanna contend.
Funny how many people that wire to wire season snuck by. Everybody thought the As were a team of destiny. Such a fun season. Crazy it’s been 34 years.
Yup that is the main issue.
They need better ownership. The owners won’t capitalize on the young talent by signing any FA of note to fill holes in their pitching. They need a little more power but won’t get that, and when the young talent is up for a contract they will trade them and start over again.
Good riddance. I don't think I've ever seen a MLB team run themselves out of as many innings as this one did.
Maybe the White Sox. I think they lost games about every single way possible this year. The worst team I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen some terrible clubs.
Doesn't really matter as he wasn't the biggest issue. Similar to how it doesn't matter who UK's OC is as the main problem on offense is Stoops' philosophy.
Along with Bell, they need to firs their entire training, Strength and Conditioning, and medical staff. I've never seen a team year in and year out plagued by so many injuries to key players. I know some are flukes and a lot of teams get bit by the injury bug, but it's a constant, every year struggle with the Reds.
Until they get out of being cheap, they will never again compete consistently.
The ownership is definitely awful but Bell wasn't a great coach either. Nobody on his teams is decent at any position because they all play 3. You can blame the roster but there has to be some sort of foundation layed. Outside of catcher and an injury prone India the only guarantee to play their actual position is Elly and he seems like he'd be better suited for the outfield with his speed and arm. Bell was past due and Krall should already be out in my eyes. There's talent to salvage but then they make ridiculous signings like Candy and Montas that don't help the team enough to be worth that money. The orgs trash and I'm incapable of rooting for anyone else so as Phil Castelini said said "where you gonna go?".
Their medical staff sucks. The whole organization sucks. Nobody wants to win. They have great players but surround them with junk.
I've wondered why so many guys get hurt and either come back too soon or are out FOREVER, with no transparency.
And all we hear about is Shoemaker would be a great hire. He’s 50 games below 500 with the Marlins
I'll take Terry Francona if he's healthy. Only 6 losing seasons in 23 seasons as a Manager and four of those were his first four seasons as a Manager. Overall winning record, two WS titles.
As I said on House of Blue:
David Bell is Andy Dalton. He isn't necessarily the problem, but we know by now he isn't the answer either.
David Bell is Andy Dalton. He isn't necessarily the problem, but we know by now he isn't the answer either.
I like Bell, but some of his pitching rotation choices were questionable.
That said, I will reserve judgment on this move until a new manager is hired and they actually make substantial moves in the off-season. Frankie Montas and Jeimer Candelario are not the kinds of moves that excite me.
That said, I will reserve judgment on this move until a new manager is hired and they actually make substantial moves in the off-season. Frankie Montas and Jeimer Candelario are not the kinds of moves that excite me.
Bell's multitude of lineup changes, platoons, pinch hitting, pitching changes, in-game decisions....all were horrendous. Throw in the fact that only a couple of regular position players have actually improved under him.....whether of their own doing or not, he is the head guy. Long overdue.
Yeah, those were bargain basement adds, but occasionally you get a decent one, Espinal, after a slow start, proved to be worth his salt the last half of the season.
Krall made comments about player development lacking under Bell and some guys underperforming. That's not just a Bell issue, that's an Organizational issue all the way down to the minor league level. Not defending Bell in any way, I have always questioned his on-field decision making, but what do you expect him to do when you load the roster with 17 shortstops and no 1B, 3B or outfielders . You can't have a roster full of utility players. You need guys who will excel at their positions and create consistency in the lineups.
Analytics are ok to use for some of your decision making but you cannot rely on that solely to manage your team. His lineups, substitutions, etc were very suspect. Outfield play was atrocious at times. Base running, lack of focus, just generally a very loose ship. Gotta have accountability and maturity, this team lack leadership.