I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the guy who pipes up on a tour bus all smug about how he's more enlightened than the rest but don't pay attention to that verbal fart he just ripped.
OT: Revolutionaries
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That's one definition of a colonizer. The distinction of being under the control of another nation is pedantic when you consider that the vast majority of human migrations are violent actions.
What they don't like is the idea of political correctness winning. The right feels like it's engaged in a life and death battle for the soul of America, and so every little defeat matters. This is, in fact, a cornerstone of fascism--the main driver--whether people realize it or not.I just peeked in the thread to enjoy watching people complain about something utterly inconsequential to everybody except the organization in question, for whom it's only 99.9% inconsequential and only very briefly at that.
Where's the popcorn-eating emoji when we need it? Hm... best I can do is...
It's overstated by both sides, as usual. We were definitely taught about some bad things--it's absurd to pretend we weren't taught that slavery existed and was not good--but many things that were significant were definitely left out. Also, we grew up in New Jersey. People who grew up in other places sometimes WERE given a different history.
For those REALLY interested and who have a lot of time on their hands, Yale has a bunch of faculty lectures on YouTube- one is on the events leading up to and during the revolution by a professor named Joann Freeman. Probably take you about 20 hours to watch them all.
Everything in history was always far more complicated than people realize, with mixed motives and justifiable and unjustifiable actions. Winston Churchill's History of the English Speaking People is another good take because it puts the revolution into a historical perspective as part of a larger change in philosophical thinking and a series of events leading up to it. American history classes tend to treat it like an event that just popped out of nowhere and as if our Founding Fathers more or less came up with all the ideas behind it when they did not.
Cleveland Rockers ... is the obvious choice and is significantly better than the G's
But we still have the Braves ... how did that happen?
Mo
political correctness is a joke, anyone subscribing to such nonsense is probably just as hateful and bigoted as those they decry. When all you see in wrong then all you see is never good and it frames your view in everyday walk of life
As the old saying goes one man’s terrorist is anther man’s freedom fighter.
nah, history really has been pretty simple as greed and envy ruled until global commerce added some nuances Superficially, people like to to use religion as a scapegoat but more people have died as a result of political cross ideologies than all else.
It is a cooler name - “colonials” is kinda… ehhh…. but what’s un-pc about “colonials”?
Not “outraged” just confused
Unless I am misremembering my grade school history class this nation WAS a British colony before it became a sovereign nation. Did my third grade teacher teach me incorrectly?
your teacher was right.
Some of the students of GW in 2018 started a movement to change the University from honoring this country's time of being under British rule .
I'm sure there are many that think being part of Great Britain at one time deserves to be honored and Colonist is a good name for GWU
Heck there were many living in the 13 colonies that liked being under British rule and fought on the English side.
But the honor should go to those that fought to end what those living in the North American Colonies felt was living under a Tyrant's oppression and became Revolutionaries fighting for freedom from being British subjects and feeling oppressed by British laws
Colonialism is a practice by which a country controls people living outside their boundaries , often by establishing colonies far from where they are located , generally for strategic and economic advancement.
America was started like that and for the benefit of England in the part of North America they controlled.
France also colinized America, but the British drove thanm out and took control of the territory France once had in Canada
History recognizes dirt poor , diseased and sick American patriots fighting and dying against British tyranny and Tory traitors. In the name of freedom.j
Preserving and remembering reality has nothing to do with fascism
To proclaim this a win is sick.
Is it possible we are to dumb as a nation to not recognize and learn about the horrors of slavery, while also recognizing the courage and sacrifice of poor non slave owning American Patriots at the same time?
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lest we forget in history it was the fascists that erased, changed, and altered history to fit a faux narrative which is much like the left today
I'm not on the right (or the left), myself. I agree with most of what you post, as a matter of fact.
But I do hate "political correctness" winning the day. This one is even worse -- the political correctness is misapplied as I see it. The alarmists saw the word "colonial" and went on auto-pilot.
Okay, back to the Big Ten baseball tournament for me...
PC runs amok at times, but it's usually minor stuff like this, the name of a team, or a swim meet. The right loses its sh*t like it's catastrophic. Meanwhile, white supremacists shoot up one group of people after another and you hear crickets. The extremes on THEIR side don't bother them very much. Right wing cancel culture and an absurd war on Drag Queens and pronouns and Disney are supported. Rank bigotry and discrimination don't register.
This is more about the word colonial, which gives many people the vapors, than the details of the revolution. That almost every civilization in history tried to build empires--and had slaves--seems to escape them.
I would say all!
Including the indigenous residents who butchered and slaughtered each other for land grabs.
At the same time, our country was founded on the ideas of equality and freedom. Owning slaves is completely the opposite of that. The people who fought a war to shamelessly maintain that grotesque violation of our founding principles should never be glorified, yet they often are, as is their best-known flag. The naming of military bases after their generals seems to me to be the ultimate insult and disrespect to several hundred thousand US soldiers and sailors who died fighting them, not far from naming bases Fort Rommel or Camp Guderian (maybe naming military cemeteries after Robert E Lee would be worse). Yet that never registered complaints from "patriots" still shrieking about a guy taking a knee during the national anthem or an actress on a piece of anti-aircraft artillery.I would say all!
Including the indigenous residents who butchered and slaughtered each other for land grabs.
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Had the Brits won, the Tories would be the patriots and the revolutionaries would be histories trAitors. The winners write the history.
In the words of Samuel Johnson from his pamphlet “Taxation no Tyranny” :
”How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty from the drivers of Negroes?”
That sort of statement is what happens when ideological rigidity and media brainwashing results in epic levels of entirely counter-productive oversimplification and extremism. C'mon now.
Political correctness is not only not a joke, it's a critically important component of any well-functioning democratic society. And you know it. The problem is when people overdo political correctness which can cause more harm than good. Which is something everybody here already understands is happening too often these days.
All you accomplish with such statements, besides getting yourself laughed at, is encouraging yet more extremism from both sides. What do you gain by doing that?
I'm not a fan of using "they" or "the right". These terms are much too broad for my comfort. It's counter-productive to lob demonization so broadly, IMO.
I have friends of all political persuasions (left, right and center) who have very moderate views about political correctness. It's really not hard to find consensus about it.
Not trying to be difficult but I really don’t see the difference between colonials and revolutionaries.
Does the term colonials imply loyalty to Great Britain? Honest question because I understand the term to simply refer to those living in the colonies (irrespective of loyalty). Is that wrong?
I mean it’s not like GW was called the “Tories” or the “Loyalists”
If I was asked “who fought the British?” my answer would be “the colonists”
What am I missing ?
The unfortunate fact, however, is that a majority on the right does see things this way, as evidenced by polls and who they support, though "they" referred to people in this thread who were complaining. And it's not subtle. People will literally come out and say "liberals are trying to destroy America." There is no exaggeration or interpretation needed.
While we're on this kick there is this whole trend of "reaction videos" by YouTubers of..
"Thomas Sowell - Facts About Slavery Never Mentioned in School"
- that link is to a youtube search for reactions to that video... and typically, everyone reacting is black, as is academic Thomas Sowell who provides an informative overview of the history of slavery which does not seem to be being taught in schools with black students.
I’m not sure what all the posts about “look at all the other slavery” are intended to do.
It almost seems like it’s a justification for slavery in America. Hopefully not.
Can’t we all agree that, regardless of other historical examples, it was pretty messed up? Also, there were plenty of people at the time (including John Adams) who did not think it was ok.
It almost seems like it’s a justification for slavery in America. Hopefully not.
Can’t we all agree that, regardless of other historical examples, it was pretty messed up? Also, there were plenty of people at the time (including John Adams) who did not think it was ok.
well if blacks didn't sell slaves to white traders and if a black man wasn't the first slave owner perhaps there wouldn't have been ? who knows but America, despite what liberal loons want to say, didn't corner the market on slavery. We need those african nations to pay us for the trouble slavery brought to our shores due to their slave trading in their own people.
From what I've gathered (and I have admittedly not read too deeply into this), at issue by the folks who championed dropping Colonials is not so much the distinction between the rebels/colonials and the loyalists (I think both groups could be generally considered under the broader term "colonists" or at least their forefathers would have been). Instead those responsible for and those who colonized these lands, for the most part they did not do right by the indigenous/native inhabitants. There may be more to it than that, which is surface level, but I think that might be the crux of it.
Absolutely - those poor white slave traders were victims of those evil Africans.
Against my better judgment, but I'll just say that there had to be willing buyers in this marketplace. The deflection here is not a good look.
It's a response to the notion that has developed in many people's minds that only white people ever had slaves or empires, or that if others did it was so long ago it magically doesn't count. Both left and right are incredibly narrow and ignorant in their understanding of history because most of them seem to pay little attention to history outside the US or at least the West, just as both sides generally don't seem to pay attention to news outside the US. They form the wrong impressions on various issues as a result.
In 1455 Pope Nicholas V gave exclusive rights to Portugal to West Africa, to invade, plunder and “reduce their persons to perpetual slavery”.
First slaves in what is now the US came from a load of captives that were captured by Dutch (iirc) pirates from a slave ship destined for Mexico, and rerouted to VA Where they were sold. Don’t think they were purchased by other black folks.
First slaves in what is now the US came from a load of captives that were captured by Dutch (iirc) pirates from a slave ship destined for Mexico, and rerouted to VA Where they were sold. Don’t think they were purchased by other black folks.
For what it’s worth, the original draft of the Declaration of Independence by Jefferson accused King George of forcing slavery on the colonies. That, and a number of other things like complaining that the king was using Scottish troops to terrorize the colonials, got removed in the editing process.
Are you telling me that Latinos owned slaves, shocking, just shocking. Have you informed AOC of this fact?
Yeah I think thats it
I consider myself on the liberal side of things. Faaaaaaar from being a MAGA type. So I think the following comment should hold more weight than if it came from some reactionary right-winger:
This is ridiculous. It’s the PC version of crying wolf. THIS is exactly the kind of crap that gives the right a LEGITIMATE reason to criticize liberals. Why give them that? Fight for the stuff that matters. Geez!
It's idiotic minutiae for both sides to fight over. A slur like redskins is one thing, but the word colonial isn't the same. We live in the age of manufactured outrage and offense. 78 years after he died, people still gnash their teeth when the name Hitler is mentioned. Either it's made up or people are letting him live in their heads three quarters of a century later.