OT: War Scenario

[DallasSooner_rivals403079]

Okay, grew up watching Red Dawn, etc. as a kid. Can you see any kind of scenario that another country would launch an air or ground war on our country? North Korea, Russia, etc?

Not sure why I started thinking about this but I just did.

 

[OklaBama]

I was a Red Dawn fan too, but I never could figure out how in the hell those planes loaded with paratroopers made it so far into the interior of the USA undetected. So, no, I'm not concerned that anything like that would occur. But it made for a great movie. However, I do see a risk in that terrorist could easily come across our borders and do a lot of damage. I hate to say it, but I think it is only a matter of time that something like that happens.

 

[sybarite]

Thus far, those who have been the biggest threats have been more interested in making statements than in the number of casualties or in achieving the impact of starting a war---bombing the Federal Building or bombing the Twin Towers---both of which stood for something to those involved. A much greater loss of life would have resulted from a simple explosion at a Michigan/Ohio State football game, but it would not have made the statement. The question becomes what would someone achieve by a major attack? The Soviet Union and the US had the power for years for mass destruction, but found the results untenable. It would also lead to self-destruction. Could anyone actually defeat the US by a "war?"

The only group that might attain a goal they desired would likely be one that was willing to commit planetary suicide and that did not care about their own survival. In such an event, I would not anticipate that the weapon would be nuclear arms or chemical agents, but rather some biological attack that is unstoppable. But, they, themselves would also perish.

 

[DallasSooner_rivals403079]

Yeah. I thought about the world destruction as well. Made me wonder about the computer virus, etc. you know kind like when they said (and maybe they did) have the computer bug, virus, hack whatever that came from North Korea. That's maybe the way that another country could strike against us and hurt us. I agree most countries probably wouldn't want a head to head war with the US. it would come in some other form.

A terrorist attack I could see, but again usually that's an incident/event t and not a declaration of war usually.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

I fear that 'other form' would be an EMP. (electro magnetic pulse) It would fry the grid and render anything with electronics useless. IE, your car wouldn't even start.

Like you all said, one would have to be suicidally foolhardy to attempt it though.
Our collective wrath would be swift and overwhelming.

 

[sybarite]

When I was in the Army way back when, my assignment was to work on research involving nerve gas at Edgewood Arsenal, the horrors of which may be found on some website called edgewood arsenal experiments. But, those of us in research for that the work being done at Fort Dietrick was terrifying. A biological agent isn't limited to the area over which it is initially distributed, like a chemical agent. It has the ability to replicate and go to every corner of the planet. It is not inconceivable that some suicide cult could manufacture a biological agent, and a very small release might result in planetary exposure since it spreads on its own.

 

[DeutschSooner]

Okay, grew up watching Red Dawn, etc. as a kid. Can you see any kind of scenario that another country would launch an air or ground war on our country? North Korea, Russia, etc?

Not sure why I started thinking about this but I just did.

I loved Red Dawn, too - great movie. I didn't even mind so much the remake, even though I generally prefer the original to any remakes...

I think the days of large land-mass troops walking behind tanks and frontlines that stalemate each other are obsolete and gone. I don't see anyone 'invading' with troops per se - I think in many ways the next war has already started, and it's the ideological war between Islam, or the extreme radicalism thereof, and all other religions. I fear we won't realize this until some years go by, and it'll be too late for whomever is alive then to respond...

Could also be the war on knowledge or hacking with computers...instead of building a better missile, now they are building better computers and better hackers to steal your information.

 

[pssooner]

I was a Red Dawn fan too, but I never could figure out how in the hell those planes loaded with paratroopers made it so far into the interior of the USA undetected. So, no, I'm not concerned that anything like that would occur. But it made for a great movie. However, I do see a risk in that terrorist could easily come across our borders and do a lot of damage. I hate to say it, but I think it is only a matter of time that something like that happens.

Bama,
if you see the first part of the movie they came in on commercial flights, and jumped from them......... One of my favorite movies!!!!!

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

I see either the ISIS (whatever they evolve into) getting good enough to get their hands on Nukes or N. Korea finally gaining the technology to launch big *** missiles. In the meantime, we kill each other.

Super Powers don't go toe to toe, head to head at each other. They go indirectly at each other through mediary countries all over the globe.

 

[Nastynate66]

There is one privately owned gun for every man, woman and child in the US...and a proud country with a history of rising up. Plus, there is no chance anyone alone would have air superiority over the US in our own skies.

No chance...

 

[OklaBama]

Bama,
if you see the first part of the movie they came in on commercial flights, and jumped from them......... One of my favorite movies!!!!!

Bama,
if you see the first part of the movie they came in on commercial flights, and jumped from them......... One of my favorite movies!!!!!

I've seen that movie 20 times and just never paid attention to that detail. Here's a little trivia for you. The original Red Dawn was the first movie to get the PG-13 rating. The new rating was to warn parents that scenes may be too violate for younger children.

 

[roygbell]

I am concerned about the ISIS lone wolves. However, my bigger concern is internal. If the FED ever gets us back to the 7% interest rates of the past we are going to be in real trouble. Anyone have any idea of what we owe on our close to 18 trillion of debt?

With the recent killing of cops our inner cities are ripe for riots like we haven't seen in my lifetime.

 

[opk]

Putin is recently quoted as saying (paraphrased)

"No worries mate. An 'agressor' would have to be crazy to start something".

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

I think the days of large land-mass troops walking behind tanks and frontlines that stalemate each other are obsolete and gone. I don't see anyone 'invading' with troops per se - I think in many ways the next war has already started, and it's the ideological war between Islam, or the extreme radicalism thereof, and all other religions. I fear we won't realize this until some years go by, and it'll be too late for whomever is alive then to respond...

Could also be the war on knowledge or hacking with computers...instead of building a better missile, now they are building better computers and better hackers to steal your information.

I totally agree with this line of thinking. History has proven that defeating the US doesn't require defeating us on the battlefield by winning battles. It requires prolonging the conflict and wearing down the American populations will to fight and thus forcing a political decision that isn't favorable for the US.

 

[roygbell]

I don't think the mainstream US Citizen thinks of this very much. They have no idea how vulnerable we are with everything being managed by computer. There are two things we absolutely need to survive and that is water and foot supplies. Stop the flow of water in cities and cut the food supply lines and there will be riots.

I know some things that really frighten me, but I am going to keep them to myself as they aren't for public consumption. I agree with the idea that the greatest dangers to our safety, security and welfare won't come from the traditional ways of waging war. We need to take the steps to protect our borders and do a much better job of screening immigrants to the US.

 

[DubiousDon]

Didn't like Red Dawn much (somehow I can't see relying on teenagers to save our asses), but as for the original question, China is the only country to fear in the future, IMO. If you read a lot about that country, you might be surprised to learn how single-minded they are in their intention to overcome us in every phase of national activity (economics, industrial production, construction, military, electronics, you name it). They have already accomplished their goal in several areas and will do so in others in the near future. Not sure why they seem almost to hate us, but there is no doubt they are after us. And they don't mind stealing and copying from us to get it done. And don't forget: We have 320 million people; China has 1 billion, 300 million.

Our only defense is to keep shipping them GMO foods so they grown fat and sick like we are.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

We should fear our gutless leaders who continue to wage wars all over the globe while leaving our borders wide open.

I will say this... if we are going to discuss this subject here on this board, I don't want to hear crap from the mods when I piss on your parade.

 

[CTOkie]

We should fear our gutless leaders who continue to wage wars all over the globe while leaving our borders wide open.

I will say this... if we are going to discuss this subject here on this board, I don't want to hear crap from the mods when I piss on your parade.

Well said, PLS.....question remains: why do we continue to vote these gutless leaders into office ?

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Word up.

 

[sybarite]

Some of you need to go back and read the newspapers from World War II. During that war, the newspaper was totally committed to the war, as were the people. Churches had "blanket parties" on Wednesday or Thursday night in which the women made blankets for the soldiers. After school activities for the highschool kids were announced in the paper----the scrap metal drive will meet at 100 West Main and cover NE Norman this afternoon. Look for these items. On the comics page, the last block of every strip had the subject of the strip ask you to "Buy Bonds."

The front page of each days paper showed you exactly where the last known position of American troops in the Pacific or Europe was. It wasn't any secret. Of the entire newspaper, about half was devoted to church, school, civic club, and other meetings that involved the reesponse of the people to the war.

There wasn't any quest to buy a new car. They weren't making any. There was no 1943 Much of Anything with white sidewall tires. In fact, you couldn't buy tires either. Some of you are old enough that you still have the Ration Tickets for Butter, Sugar, Gas, Rubber, and Meat. I don't remember what all was rationed, but you couldn't get any of it without a ration card. Everyone was involved in the war. Everyone was sacrificing for the war.

In the wars since, there are a few guys who got drafted or volunteered that are involved. Everyone else is watching TV and going to the Ranger games. The public has never been involved, not since WWII.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Well, everything you enunciated I'm quite aware of and, after even reading it four times I still, well, I guess you have a point.

I suppose you're saying that, that was the last war that we truly could have lost, and almost did.

 

[iasooner1]

Any war we become involved in we could & should win; the only reason to enter one should be.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Oligarchs own all the media today. Reporting the truth isn't top priority. Almighty dollar is more important than the Lord Almighty anymore.

As Dave Mustain said ling ago, "Peace Sells... but who's buying?"

 

[sybarite]

I'm also saying that if the public isn't committed to the war sufficiently for the entire nation to become involved, don't get involved. You can't send a few to do the job while most are living other lives.

 

[pssooner]

Didn't like Red Dawn much (relying on teenagers to save our asses), but as for the original question, China is the only country to fear in the future, IMO. If you read a lot about that country, you might be surprised to learn how single-minded they are in their intention to overcome us in every phase of national activity (economics, industrial production, construction, military, electronics, you name it). They have already accomplished their goal in several areas and will do so in others in the near future. Not sure why they seem almost to hate us, but there is no doubt they are after us. And they don't mind stealing and copying from us to get it done. And don't forget: We have 320 million people; China has 1 billion, 300 million.

Our only defense is to keep shipping them GMO foods so they grown fat and sick like we are.

Deed,
just so you know I was 18 when I joined the USAF, and there was a lot 18 and 19 year olds in my flight in basic training..... as a matter of fact I can think of one guy that wasn't a "teenager". I also just sat next to an 18 year old Marine on a flight back home last week who was headed to 29 Palms for training before his deployment to Afghanistan in august. so don't worry about the age of who is "saving our asses"......Just be Damn happy they are stepping up to do it!

 

[iasooner1]

I'm thankful for the 18-19 y/o's (like Section 22's Dad) who stepped up in a big way 71 years ago, yesterday!

(I tried to take German once and had to switch to Spanish...)

 

[Soonersincefitty]

I tried to take Spanish once and my counselor made me switch back to English.

Yes, thanks to Mr. 22 Sr.

 

[NWBoomer]

When I was in the Army way back when, my assignment was to work on research involving nerve gas at Edgewood Arsenal, the horrors of which may be found on some website called edgewood arsenal experiments. But, those of us in research for that the work being done at Fort Dietrick was terrifying. A biological agent isn't limited to the area over which it is initially distributed, like a chemical agent. It has the ability to replicate and go to every corner of the planet. It is not inconceivable that some suicide cult could manufacture a biological agent, and a very small release might result in planetary exposure since it spreads on its own.

Cordyceps biologically engineered to target humans. That would end us.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Well said, PLS.....question remains: why do we continue to vote these gutless leaders into office ?

I don't. I haven't voted for the winner of any major political race ever. Yet I go and find out who I believe the best candidate is and vote for them all the time. Luckily, here in Texas, there are usually more than two to choose from, if not I write another one in.

Donkeys and elephants control debates with puppet media whores and don't allow third or fourth views. Even with Ron Paul in the Elephant debates, he was asked fewer questions than any of the others. Why is that? Oligarchy.

 

[Section22Sooner]

Didn't like Red Dawn much (somehow I can't see relying on teenagers to save our asses)

This comment grates on my nerves. But then again, I've come to expect this sort of thing in modern culture.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

This comment grates on my nerves. But then again, I've come to expect this sort of thing in modern culture.

I agree. They've been saving asses since the inception of this country. And chances are, if this country needs saving in the future, it'll be young people that'll step up and do it again. Dastardly needs to study a bit in this area. He's clearly ignorant on this subject.

 

[DeutschSooner]

I don't. I haven't voted for the winner of any major political race ever. Yet I go and find out who I believe the best candidate is and vote for them all the time. Luckily, here in Texas, there are usually more than two to choose from, if not I write another one in.

Donkeys and elephants control debates with puppet media whores and don't allow third or fourth views. Even with Ron Paul in the Elephant debates, he was asked fewer questions than any of the others. Why is that? Oligarchy.

I agree with your sentiment, but when I read this originally, the first thought that crossed my mind was 'He voted for Mondale in '84?'

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

I agree with your sentiment, but when I read this originally, the first thought that crossed my mind was 'He voted for Mondale in '84?'

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1984 but had I been I would have probably voted for David Bergland from California.

 

[Scottsdale.Sooner]

WWII versus Viet Nam or Iraq, etc is apples and oranges. We fought in WWII for honorable reasons. To defend our allies. In Viet Nam McNamara extended our staying because Lady Bird Johnson had a vested interest in the shipping of men and equipment through her company Land & Sea. Brown and Root made millions in Viet Nam. Same goes for Iraq....anyone here of KBR Halliburton? War is good business.

 

[roygbell]

Some of you need to go back and read the newspapers from World War II. During that war, the newspaper was totally committed to the war, as were the people. Churches had "blanket parties" on Wednesday or Thursday night in which the women made blankets for the soldiers. After school activities for the highschool kids were announced in the paper----the scrap metal drive will meet at 100 West Main and cover NE Norman this afternoon. Look for these items. On the comics page, the last block of every strip had the subject of the strip ask you to "Buy Bonds."

The front page of each days paper showed you exactly where the last known position of American troops in the Pacific or Europe was. It wasn't any secret. Of the entire newspaper, about half was devoted to church, school, civic club, and other meetings that involved the reesponse of the people to the war.

There wasn't any quest to buy a new car. They weren't making any. There was no 1943 Much of Anything with white sidewall tires. In fact, you couldn't buy tires either. Some of you are old enough that you still have the Ration Tickets for Butter, Sugar, Gas, Rubber, and Meat. I don't remember what all was rationed, but you couldn't get any of it without a ration card. Everyone was involved in the war. Everyone was sacrificing for the war.

In the wars since, there are a few guys who got drafted or volunteered that are involved. Everyone else is watching TV and going to the Ranger games. The public has never been involved, not since WWII.

Good post, but you left out an important fact. The youth at the time were mostly all patriots who were intent on building a better America. They weren't PC, they didn't cry at the drop of a hat, They had their priorities straight. They had come out of the Great Depression and they were people who knew the value of work. We now live in a country where the police are the enemy, the military are looked down up on by the folks in the White House and every bad thing that happens is someone else' fault.

 

[gsxrace01]

gloom and doom, the kids are smarter faster and better at everything today.

 

[SoonerEagle]

To get away from all the conspiracy theory...

No. There is one nation on Earth with the ability to transport soldiers overseas in any worthwhile quantity. That nation is the United States. China doesn't have the airplanes or the ships to launch any sort of invasion. Their soldiers had better be really good swimmers.

 

[K2C Sooner]

gloom and doom, the kids are smarter faster and better at everything today.

I hear ya...............

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Racey, dude...you can't be serial?

 

[pssooner]

I hear ya...............
Dude you are AWESOME, Love how you find this **** for any post!!!!!!!!!!