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Dvten25

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I think he answered the question and to your point. It doesn't grow the sport. It's a gimmick. If others think that is the best direction, then go for it. Honestly, if you want to pick on a bad guy in all this, then pick on the NCAA. They have this crazy and arbitrary limit to how many competition dates a team can have. Why?
Completely disagree. It’s same thing as what is going on in professional golf. The more times you can get the top teams together, the more eyeballs it will draw which grows the sport. Doesn’t have to be recognized as a national championship in my opinion; just create competitive matchups.
 

tom_v31

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Completely disagree. It’s same thing as what is going on in professional golf. The more times you can get the top teams together, the more eyeballs it will draw which grows the sport. Doesn’t have to be recognized as a national championship in my opinion; just create competitive matchups.
I have always felt the wrestling should mirror the PGA layout. I was talking about senior level, but hey, why not college too.
 

tom_v31

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The CC news is… something. Hope he’s doing okay mentally.

He’s a head case. He would benefit going to a smaller program like Arkansas Little Rock or may be a lesser division. Some people don’t do well under the spotlight.
 

OState_02

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This is definitely great for promoting the sport! Anyone that says it isn't, well let's just say I disagree with them.

the Dual format is better for drawing new fans, it makes more sense to those who haven’t been involved in wrestling their entire lives than the normal tournament format does. If you’re looking to grow wrestling and bring in more/new fans the national duals is a great start. Teams and coaches who would skip on this if invited certainly don’t have growing and strengthening the sport on their list of priorities, which is sad seeing what it has provided them.
 

tom_v31

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Well, if Iowa can beat Penn state this year, I won’t say a derogatory word about them, their coaches, the facilities not their fans for the rest of the year.
 

tom_v31

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WOW. I am the biggest Hawk fan in the world and that was not very smart. I don’t fault the kid for believing it but, some things are better kept to yourself. I guess he better back it up. I’m not sure how he got so confident from beating the number 19 kid in the country in SV
I love the confidence though
 
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bwel9339

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WOW. I am the biggest Hawk fan in the world and that was not very smart. I don’t fault the kid for believing it but, some things are better kept to yourself. I guess he better back it up. I’m not sure how he got so confident from beating the number 19 kid in the country in SV
Can he even beat his teammate Ferrari? Not smart and he will probably pay the price.
 

Harleycowboy

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Parco just cost him by not bailing and taking the three fast. Looks like Spratley lol and he’s gassed now
Penn. St. is dominating Iowa with Lilledahl getting a tech against Cruz, Ayala teched McHenry Bartlett gets a decision over Schriever, Van Ness majors Parko, Kazak decisions Teemer. Be honest Penn. St is our real enemy because we can compete with Iowa but we can't against Penn. St. If they wrestle everybody, we might not score a team point against them.
 
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Harleycowboy

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Mesenbrink is the most impressive wrestler in the nation by far. The dude goes through everyone like they are not even there. Pound for pound the best in the nation.
I agree, a real good wrestler Caliendo number 2 appeared powerless against Mesenbrink. He wins by tech. Haines wins by easy decision over Kennedy. Ferrari lost a close decision to Starocci, Ferrari gave up a stalling point in the 1st period but gained confidence and stuck with Starocci after that. Angelo was very impressive. Buchanon beat Barr 5 to 1 with a takedown at the end of the match. I think Thompson beat Barr in high school in close matches. Barr is up to 197. Kerkvliet beat Keuter by major. Penn. St. appears to be unbeatable.
 
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Harleycowboy

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I agree, a real good wrestler Caliendo number 2 appeared powerless against Mesenbrink. He wins by tech. Haines wins by easy decision over Kennedy. Ferrari lost a close decision to Starocci, Ferrari gave up a stalling point in the 1st period but gained confidence and stuck with Starocci after that. Angelo was very impressive. Buchanon beat Barr 5 to 1 with a takedown at the end of the match. I think Thompson beat Barr in high school in close matches. Barr is up to 197. Kerkvliet beat Keuter by major. Penn. St. appears to be unbeatable. Do I wish we had Angelo Ferrari? Yes, I do.
 

okokzach

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Mesenbrink is the most impressive wrestler in the nation by far. The dude goes through everyone like they are not even there. Pound for pound the best in the nation.

Maybe the most visually impressive, but definitely not the pound for pound best. 165 is not one of the toughest divisions, so he can't even prove himself to be one of the best p4p. Plus Gable Steveson is wrestling this year.
 

DEWrestlingFan

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Maybe the most visually impressive, but definitely not the pound for pound best. 165 is not one of the toughest divisions, so he can't even prove himself to be one of the best p4p. Plus Gable Steveson is wrestling this year.
We can agree to disagree on this one.
 

tom_v31

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I agree, a real good wrestler Caliendo number 2 appeared powerless against Mesenbrink. He wins by tech. Haines wins by easy decision over Kennedy. Ferrari lost a close decision to Starocci, Ferrari gave up a stalling point in the 1st period but gained confidence and stuck with Starocci after that. Angelo was very impressive. Buchanon beat Barr 5 to 1 with a takedown at the end of the match. I think Thompson beat Barr in high school in close matches. Barr is up to 197. Kerkvliet beat Keuter by major. Penn. St. appears to be unbeatable.
Starocci is known to some times keep it close, so it is hard to tell. Also, Thompson isn’t a good litmus test for a comparison. He has been at for a year and a half, wrestled with DT as a practice partner, started last year, and we still don’t have a clue on how good the kid is. He’s an enigma. Messenbrink is off the chart good. He has to be one of the top contenders for the Hodge.
 
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biocowboy

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PSU guys look like potential Olympians while everyone one else mostly looks like All-Americans and maybe 1x national champions at best. Huge gap. Iowa plugging holes yearly via portal has not really worked if they want to catch PSU.

I honestly think Oklahoma State’s biggest
barrier to overcome is geographic location. Too easy for the NE kids to stay home and choose a competitive college up there.
 
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cowboyfan05

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PSU guys look like potential Olympians while everyone one else mostly looks like All-Americans and maybe 1x national champions at best. Huge gap. Iowa plugging holes yearly via portal has not really worked if they want to catch PSU.

I honestly think Oklahoma State’s biggest
barrier to overcome is geographic location. Too easy for the NE kids to stay home and choose a competitive college up there.
We need Texas youth wrestling to take off
 

Okie_Pat

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One thing I noticed about the PSU guys from last night is if they get to your leg they finish the TD. I don't think I saw one shot where they didn't finish with a TD from 157-285. Is this strength, technique or will to have such a high finishing rate?

Makes you wonder about guys like Carter Young who can get to anyone's legs but finishes with a TD about 25% of the time.
 

Harleycowboy

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We can agree to disagree on this one.
I remember at last year's Nationals, the finals Carr against Mesenbrink where Carr had a nice lead and had some control. However, by the 3rd period Mesenbrink through aggression, constant pressure started to break Carr. Carr held on thankfully, but it felt like if the match was 30 seconds longer, I felt Mesenbrink certainly would have won. Somehow Carr seemed broken. Mesenbrink appears to me to be a great wrestler. Without injury I would think that Mesenbrink has about a 99% chance to win 165( not a strong weight class though).
 

GableBeer

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One thing I noticed about the PSU guys from last night is if they get to your leg they finish the TD. I don't think I saw one shot where they didn't finish with a TD from 157-285. Is this strength, technique or will to have such a high finishing rate?

Makes you wonder about guys like Carter Young who can get to anyone's legs but finishes with a TD about 25% of the time.
Funny enough the only match without a takedown was the Carter/Angelo match, Carter was in deep a few times but couldn’t finish.
 

Chasingthirty-five

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Funny enough the only match without a takedown was the Carter/Angelo match, Carter was in deep a few times but couldn’t finish.
Angelo was in just as many times I would say too. Just not as deep. Angelo has the Ferrari flexibility thing going too lol

I'm excited/interested to watch his career for now...that could easily change.
 

DEWrestlingFan

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Do you think the Ferrari brothers are sick of their parents and plotted to wrestle as far apart from each other as possible? One on the Atlantic ocean, one in the middle of the country, and one on the Pacific ocean? haha
 
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tom_v31

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Ohio State taking Michigan out back on Big10 network right now. 16-0 through 149
Despite all the money and recruiting, Michigan is not good this year. I would say they have to be one of the top teams in the country I try to underperform.