Our country is constantly moving to the left, example #8,323

[TarHeelEer]

Budget deal

Passed in the middle of the night by Republican Leaders and Democrats, with only 18 Republicans voting for it. Increases spending, is a deal for 2 years beyond the election, and the budget cuts from a few years ago are wiped out.

This is why Trump and Carson are in the lead.

 

[Keyser76]

In the lead of what?

 

[Popeer]

Budget deal

Passed in the middle of the night by Republican Leaders and Democrats, with only 18 Republicans voting for it. Increases spending, is a deal for 2 years beyond the election, and the budget cuts from a few years ago are wiped out.

This is why Trump and Carson are in the lead.

Nobody wanted those budget cuts but the leaders at the time were to f***ing pig headed to make the necessary compromises to avoid them. Trump? Carson? Kasich is right, we're in danger of electing someone who isn't qualified for the job.

 

[Keyser76]

Nobody wanted those budget cuts but the leaders at the time were to f***ing pig headed to make the necessary compromises to avoid them. Trump? Carson? Kasich is right, we're in danger of electing someone who isn't qualified for the job.

Nominate someone who isn't qualified for the job you mean, they won't get elected President.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Nobody wanted those budget cuts but the leaders at the time were to f***ing pig headed to make the necessary compromises to avoid them.

You would make a good republican Speaker of the House. You should put your name in next time.

$60,000 of debt per citizen, $160,000 per actual taxpayer, and noone wanted the cut. Perhaps some people aren't listening, and making idiots of themselves.

 

[WVUBRU]

You would make a good republican Speaker of the House. You should put your name in next time.

$60,000 of debt per citizen, $160,000 per actual taxpayer, and noone wanted the cut. Perhaps some people aren't listening, and making idiots of themselves.

Cutting isn't the answer and Boehner knows it and is why he had to make this deal and lose his job.

Can't cut the way out of this and can't "grow" out of it either as Trump suggested foolishly the other night. Tax increases are needed to reverse the damage done by the Bush tax cuts and other unfortunate economic disasters from the last 15 years. But it is political suicide to do what is needed as evidence by Boehner. And if GOP actually would do what is best for the country, even more GOP congressmen would lose their jobs. So they don't.

Very simple.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Cutting isn't the answer and Boehner knows it and is why he had to make this deal and lose his job.

Can't cut the way out of this and can't "grow" out of it either as Trump suggested foolishly the other night. Tax increases are needed to reverse the damage done by the Bush tax cuts and other unfortunate economic disasters from the last 15 years. But it is political suicide to do what is needed as evidence by Boehner. And if GOP actually would do what is best for the country, even more GOP congressmen would lose their jobs. So they don't.

Very simple.

Actually spending cuts and tax hikes are both necessary, and you were one that agreed long ago when this was last discussed. That was what was negotiated back then, and now we just backed out the spending cuts portion.

 

[Popeer]

Nominate someone who isn't qualified for the job you mean, they won't get elected President.

I don't think he was referring only to Republicans.

 

[TarHeelEer]

I don't think he was referring only to Republicans.

I was. Over the institutional Republicans.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Nominate someone who isn't qualified for the job you mean, they won't get elected President.

That statement applies to Hillary as well. I've been waiting for a someone on the left to point to some of her accomplishments, hell, I'll settle for things other people did she takes credit for at this point that would qualify her to be President. Simply having a cvnt and being a sideline player aren't exactly qualifications or accomplishments.

She did lead that charge to get the post offices name changed in NY and the big one, she made a motion to congratulate the Syracuse mens BBall team on the NCAA championship.

She's the real personification of "mush" from A Bronx Tale. Everything she touched as Sec of State turned to ****.

 

[op2]

That statement applies to Hillary as well. I've been waiting for a someone on the left to point to some of her accomplishments, hell, I'll settle for things other people did she takes credit for at this point that would qualify her to be President. Simply having a cvnt and being a sideline player aren't exactly qualifications or accomplishments.

She did lead that charge to get the post offices name changed in NY and the big one, she made a motion to congratulate the Syracuse mens BBall team on the NCAA championship.

She's the real personification of "mush" from A Bronx Tale. Everything she touched as Sec of State turned to ****.

For a long time simply having male parts instead of female parts was considered to make a male more qualified to be POTUS and now when we finally have a situation where it looks like a female will be a major party nominee we're already getting "Just being a woman doesn't make her qualified." I'm no expert on the female mind but I'm pretty sure women won't like that very much.

 

[mule_eer]

For a long time simply having male parts instead of female parts was considered to make a male more qualified to be POTUS and now when we finally have a situation where it looks like a female will be a major party nominee we're already getting "Just being a woman doesn't make her qualified." I'm no expert on the female mind but I'm pretty sure women won't like that very much.

I think some may take offense to his remarks, but I don't think his concerns about her are based on her gender. I would point out though that Rubio has limited experience for the job, as did Obama, as does Cruz, as does Trump, Carson, Fiorina. We have a lot of candidates with little to no political experience, and little executive political experience.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

For a long time simply having male parts instead of female parts was considered to make a male more qualified to be POTUS and now when we finally have a situation where it looks like a female will be a major party nominee we're already getting "Just being a woman doesn't make her qualified." I'm no expert on the female mind but I'm pretty sure women won't like that very much.

And for a long time the argument you mentioned was wrong. I don't agree with it and didn't then. Women are as capable as men in doing damn near anything outside of physically demanding tasks. Even then there are exceptions or when put to appropriate scale they may even be superior. For instance, Brittney Griner could school me in hoops.

In fact my comments had nothing to do with gender other than that being the only real thing she has going for her. Her professional experience is not just lack luster, it's downright bad. Any candidate running other than her and they would ran off the stage on a rail. She represents a strong women to many and that is all they need. Never mind the overwhelming examples of ineptitude, poor decision making, poor policy, and her divisive nature. She has done nothing or at least nothing positive.

I see Mule listed candidates on the GOP to make a comparison. I agree and I'm not advocating for any of the ones he listed. Arguments could be made for Trump, Fiorina, and Carson as they actually have accomplished a great deal in their life. Trump and Fiorina have extensive executive leadership experience. Hill has none.

Hands down the best candidate whether you agree with him or not that is currently running is Kasich. Though it seems after the last 8 years that running on actual qualifications is not a requirement.

The funny thing is that instead of actually debating my points and listing her accomplishments, you turned to victim mode. Again, not Presidential. The President of the United States is not a victim. You don't care about what's best for the country in regards to someone fit to lead. You care about your side winning.

 

[Popeer]

Arguments could be made for Trump, Fiorina, and Carson as they actually have accomplished a great deal in their life. Trump and Fiorina have extensive executive leadership experience.

I'm not advocating for Hillary, but have you checked the executive leadership records of Trump and Fiorina? And as LBJ found out when he brought Robert MacNamara from Ford to run the Pentagon, corporate executive experience rarely translates well to any part of the government, let alone leading the nation. I don't get much sense of how Fiorina would do, but if Trump is the GOP nominee, swing voters will vote twice for anyone else rather than push the button for him.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

And for a long time the argument you mentioned was wrong. I don't agree with it and didn't then. Women are as capable as men in doing damn near anything outside of physically demanding tasks. Even then there are exceptions or when put to appropriate scale they may even be superior. For instance, Brittney Griner could school me in hoops.

In fact my comments had nothing to do with gender other than that being the only real thing she has going for her. Her professional experience is not just lack luster, it's downright bad. Any candidate running other than her and they would ran off the stage on a rail. She represents a strong women to many and that is all they need. Never mind the overwhelming examples of ineptitude, poor decision making, poor policy, and her divisive nature. She has done nothing or at least nothing positive.

I see Mule listed candidates on the GOP to make a comparison. I agree and I'm not advocating for any of the ones he listed. Arguments could be made for Trump, Fiorina, and Carson as they actually have accomplished a great deal in their life. Trump and Fiorina have extensive executive leadership experience. Hill has none.

Hands down the best candidate whether you agree with him or not that is currently running is Kasich. Though it seems after the last 8 years that running on actual qualifications is not a requirement.

The funny thing is that instead of actually debating my points and listing her accomplishments, you turned to victim mode. Again, not Presidential. The President of the United States is not a victim. You don't care about what's best for the country in regards to someone fit to lead. You care about your side winning.

I'm no huge Hillary fan but to say she hasn't accomplished anything in life is ridiculous. It gets repeated ad nauseum by wingnuts over and over and they obviously are ignorant of her resume. So, I did a little research and learned a few things I didn't know. For starters, she's a Yale Law School graduate and worked as legal counsel during the Watergate hearings. She was a partner in a law firm practicing for 20 some years. She was on the board of directors of Walmart. She co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. In 1988 she was named one of the top 100 lawyers in the country by the National Legal Review. She was chairman of the Legal Services Corporation. And then there's everything she's done since she became First lady....US Senator and Secretary of State particularly. So, you may not like her accomplishments. You may not respect them. Fine. But to say she hasn't done anything....I'd say you're full of ****.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I'm not advocating for Hillary, but have you checked the executive leadership records of Trump and Fiorina? And as LBJ found out when he brought Robert MacNamara from Ford to run the Pentagon, corporate executive experience rarely translates well to any part of the government, let alone leading the nation. I don't get much sense of how Fiorina would do, but if Trump is the GOP nominee, swing voters will vote twice for anyone else rather than push the button for him.

You have to be shitting me. Fiorina managed a company through the .com burst yet she added 20k jobs. I'm aware that her tenure initially was judged a huge failure. With that said, more and more the grades she was initially given have been walked back.

You can't argue Trump, you just simply can't. With that said, if he's the nominee I'll vote Jim Webb on the Indy ticket if he runs or I'll vote Libertarian party. I'll not support him as a the GOP candidate.

Agreed on MacNamara.

My overarching point though is not that these candidates are qualified for the job. It's that they at least have SOMETHING to point to. We can debate whether that translates to a good crossover for Gov't office but that's not the point of this discussion.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I'm no huge Hillary fan but to say she hasn't accomplished anything in life is ridiculous. It gets repeated ad nauseum by wingnuts over and over and they obviously are ignorant of her resume. So, I did a little research and learned a few things I didn't know. For starters, she's a Yale Law School graduate and worked as legal counsel during the Watergate hearings. She was a partner in a law firm practicing for 20 some years. She was on the board of directors of Walmart. She co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. In 1988 she was named one of the top 100 lawyers in the country by the National Legal Review. She was chairman of the Legal Services Corporation. And then there's everything she's done since she became First lady....US Senator and Secretary of State particularly. So, you may not like her accomplishments. You may not respect them. Fine. But to say she hasn't done anything....I'd say you're full of ****.

But WHAT DID SHE DO?

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

But WHAT DID SHE DO?

Can't you read? I'll add best selling author to the list too. As I said, you may not like it....

 

[WhiteTailEER]

With that said, if he's the nominee I'll vote Jim Webb on the Indy ticket if he runs or I'll vote Libertarian party.

Have you seen the list of Libertarian candidates? Disappointing doesn't begin to describe it.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Have you seen the list of Libertarian candidates? Disappointing doesn't begin to describe it.

I wonder what the accomplishments of his candidate are?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I wonder what the accomplishments of his candidate are?

Right now I'm voting for Kasich whom I've even seen you acknowledge as te best of the bunch.

Still have yet to see anyone list something qualifying Hill to be President. I hope you don't suggest her actually running on her record as Sec of State. There is a reason why she has been trumpeting the "isn't it time for a woman President" line. She as much of a gimmick as the sitting office. It's all he had and it's all she had.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Right now I'm voting for Kasich whom I've even seen you acknowledge as te best of the bunch.

Still have yet to see anyone list something qualifying Hill to be President. I hope you don't suggest her actually running on her record as Sec of State. There is a reason why she has been trumpeting the "isn't it time for a woman President" line. She as much of a gimmick as the sitting office. It's all he had and it's all she had.

Just shocking that you feel this way.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I wonder what the accomplishments of his candidate are?

I wasn't criticizing his statement, and don't consider them "his" candidates, I more consider them my candidates. I voted Libertarian last time and would like to again, but the list of candidates on that ticket leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

I wasn't criticizing his statement, and don't consider them "his" candidates, I more consider them my candidates. I voted Libertarian last time and would like to again, but the list of candidates on that ticket leaves a lot to be desired.

I may as well vote for myself as a write-in here in TN. That vote would be as worthless as a vote for the Democrat down here.

 

[KTeer]

Doc, your delusional, nobody bought her book. If she made a best seller list, they gave the books away or BJ Clinton bought them. It is well documented she was fired from the Watergate investigation for lying.
In the only significant crisis in her tenure as SOS she went home at 7:15 and left her staff searching the internet for videos to firm up the false narrative about the attack on the consulate.
I know if I walked off the job in a similar circumstance anywhere I have worked, I would have been fired.
She has no record of achievemen: you just listed activities she participated in.

 

[Popeer]

Doc, your delusional, nobody bought her book. If she made a best seller list, they gave the books away or BJ Clinton bought them. It is well documented she was fired from the Watergate investigation for lying.

What is well documented is the lie that she was fired from the Watergate investigation for lying is a lie. First, she wasn't fired, she worked on the Justice Department staff until it disbanded. Most of all, she didn't even work for the guy who claims to have fired her.