They should've done better research, no mention of Jeff Grantz who is held in high esteem by a lot of OG gamecocks. Not a bad 4 though(I would've liked to see Phil Petty be shown more love).
Our Mt. Rushmore of QBs according to Saturday Down South:
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Obviously a Taneyhill fan here. His playing days coincided with my peak obsession over Gamecock football. Would have loved to see what his career would have looked like if he could played on some teams with a defense.
Ellis, sober Garcia, Rattler, Tanneyhill. Those gave you the best chance to win games.
Connor Shaw lost 5 whole games in 3 seasons. Didn't lose a single home game in that time. How is he not above Garcia?
Shaw was the best leader we ever had at QB
They got it right with Shaw being the first no-brainer entry onto the list, though some "fans" weirdly like to crap on Shaw's legacy. Yes, he had strong supporting casts. So what? He still had to produce. Lots of QB who had strong supporting casts didn't product. Was he a better runner than a passer? Maybe. But he was a heck of a passer nonetheless, completing 66% of passes with a 3.5:1 TD to INT ratio. Very efficient and accurate. The only reason he didn't put up bigger passing numbers is because he was so adept at running the ball. For the intangibles, he was smart and as much of a game as you could ever ask for. What he did in that 2013 game against Mizzou, coming of the bench battling a sprained knee and a stomach virus, to lead us back from being down 17-0 to winning in 2 OT over the #5 ranked team on the road is absolutely legendary.They should've done better research, no mention of Jeff Grantz who is held in high esteem by a lot of OG gamecocks. Not a bad 4 though(I would've liked to see Phil Petty be shown more love).
Didn't winn because 'Shaw.' Won because of that team. Shaw's MO was throwing behind when he actually had the oversized opening he needed to pull the trigger .
Thanks to Bruce Ellington and a missed field goal. Got no problem with Shaw; I'd put him at no. 5. But for game winning drive I'd take one of the others.
Yes, if you want to look at giving you a chance to win, Shaw stand above the rest. Yes, he had a strong supporting cast, but he rarely cost us a game. I'm sure there might be one of those 5 you could pin solely on him, but I can't recall it. For those years with Shaw under center, I never worried going into a game.
Hands down, and it's not particularly close. Whatever he may have lacked in terms of raw QB skills (which I don't think he lacked a whole lot), he exponentially made up for with his leadership and demeanor.
I expected arguments that Ellis doesn't belong, given the career 66 ints's and only 49td's while throwing to NFL HOF WR most of his career, but Shaw? LOL
Shaw's Senior year, threw for 2,447 yards, 24 td's and 1 Int and ran for 558 yards and 6 Td's, and caught a TD pass.
Shaw's Senior year, threw for 2,447 yards, 24 td's and 1 Int and ran for 558 yards and 6 Td's, and caught a TD pass.
Bruce Ellington was in the game the whole time we were falling behind 17-0. Nothing about that game changed until Shaw came in.
A 24:1 TD to INT ratio is totally normalI expected arguments that Ellis doesn't belong, given the career 66 ints's and only 49td's while throwing to NFL HOF WR most of his career, but Shaw? LOL
Shaw's Senior year, threw for 2,447 yards, 24 td's and 1 Int and ran for 558 yards and 6 Td's, and caught a TD pass.
And Scarnecchia 'won' the 2018 game against Missouri.
Tell you what; take one of Rattler's teams. I'll take Rattler, you take Shaw; we'll see what happens.
For that matter, do the same with one of Ellis's run and shoot teams; I'll take Ellis, you take Shaw.
lol, so you're doing simple word association? The 2013 Missouri team that an injured and sick Shaw came of the bench to beat @ Mizzou finished the regular season 11-2 (7-1) and went to the SECCG. The 2018 team finished 8-4 (4-4) and that game was at WB.
It's time for your afternoon nap, gramps.
Sadly, even when sober, Garcia was erratic and inconsistent in his production. He was the kind of player that equally likely to blow you away with a great play as he was to blow you away with a dumb play.
The iconic win over Alabama at WB is what saves his overall legacy. The win over Alabama might BE his legacy. He was a career 58% passer, with a nearly 1:1 TD to INT ratio. His dual threat capabilities were never really realized.
I don't think he should even really get an honorable mention.
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So much potential.....wasted. no pun intended.
And THAT is really what Garcia's legacy is. Any discussion of Garcia's career centers on two things: equal parts "he beat #1 Bama" and "what he could have been". Take the win over Bama out of the equation, and he would be remembered as a so-so QB in terms of production.
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Not sure what your point is madam; must’ve whooshed over your head.
Here’s another word association; I’ll give Shaw Frank Sadler or Marcus Satterfield, you give Ellis or Rattler Steve Spurrier.
You guys are talking about your heroes. I’m talking about guys when a winning play is needed. Sober Garcia- Kentucky, Florida for example.
You remind me for the world of a guy on an old board named Galactus; his grasp of the game wasn’t particularly sharp either but he could form a post that read like a Spider-Man comic. It was entertaining.
I might be missing something here, and not sure if you're disagreeing with me. So you may have meant to reply to something else. I'm saying Shaw should absolutely be on this list. I'm saying there were a total of 5 losses in games that he started, and that's a heck of a record. I think the only one you could pin on him would be LSU or Florida in 2012. He was pretty bad in both games, but also maybe two of the hardest places to play. I would take Shaw any day of the week to start at QB for us.
I am agreeing with you. Shaw is absolutely at the top of the heap for Gamecocks QBs in terms of giving you a chance to win games.
Putting Garcia ahead of Shaw in pretty much any ranking is absurd. Did he possibly have superior pure QB skills to Shaw? In theory only. He never produced on it.
I agree with you on Rattler vs Shaw....I would take Rattler.
Ellis vs Shaw.....I would take Shaw all day unless you would rather see total offense stats vs TDs. Shaw would march us down the field and score. Ellis would march us down the field and throw an interception in the end zone. Ellis had a hell of an arm, but he was colorblind.
Since some on here are dropping QBs in different eras and combining teams, here's one: put Taneyhill and the 1995 skill players on offense behind the 2001 offensive line, and put the 2000 defense on the other side of the ball with Lou Holtz as HC, John Reaves as OC, And Charlie Strong as DC(even with his 3rd down issues), and tell me what you got.
I don't think he was sober in that SECC game versus Auburn.“Sober Garcia”I can’t stop laughing
A team that gets smoked by the teams that Shaw started on. This board likes to debate the term generational; that was generational talent across the board right there.
Garcia was a legend in his own mind. All that "Spartacus" crap was ridiculous. He was an average qb at best.
Shaw was the best ever at winning games and that is what is important. Rattler had a great arm and Ellis was good at the time he played but Shaw is the qb I'd want if I could have one back.
TODD ELLIS?! Is that supposed to be a frigging joke?! I don’t care if he threw for 1,000,000 yards! Over the course of 3 1/2 years (he got hurt midway through his senior season), he threw 72 interceptions! 72!! That’s an average of 2.5 interceptions for every game he played in! How many running backs would we be putting up on a pedestal who frequently scored touchdowns, but who also fumbled the ball 2-3 times every game?
And what’s worse, his name is there but not Jeff Grantz’s! Even Phil Petty is more worthy than Ellis. Granted he was not flashy, but he didn’t routinely lose games for us by constantly throwing the ball to the other team.
And what’s worse, his name is there but not Jeff Grantz’s! Even Phil Petty is more worthy than Ellis. Granted he was not flashy, but he didn’t routinely lose games for us by constantly throwing the ball to the other team.
All I remember about Todd Ellis was the 59-0 loss to Florida State in 1988. 9 for 22 for 79 yards with 2 interceptions.... Mike Dingle (the running back) was 0 for 1 with that being an interception. FSU had 67 yards just off of the 3 interceptions... Ellis reminds me of the phrase all hat no cattle. Lots of yards passing, but not much to show for it.
I am not sure we will ever have any QB in the future make it anywhere close to the top 5 in any career stats as most will play maybe 2 years under the new rules. Seller's would have a great chance to be one of the best if he played 2-3 more years if he played like last year, but that isn't happening.
I am not sure we will ever have any QB in the future make it anywhere close to the top 5 in any career stats as most will play maybe 2 years under the new rules. Seller's would have a great chance to be one of the best if he played 2-3 more years if he played like last year, but that isn't happening.