Our receivers and Lamar Thomas have to be frustrated
- Thread starter ulismyman
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Can't catch passes if the QB cannot throw them. If Barker comes back healthy, I think things will be different.
Yea I think they understand Johnson is struggling Right now and run game is working so I think they will be patient. Johnson has lost confidence because of some bad throws and near interceptions and is either holding the ball a beat too long (Like Towles used to do) or aiming it. Needs to just let it go on time in rhythm and trust it. Not easy to do but hopefully Hinshaw can fix it.
I always thought the way to fix a lack of confidence is to call set timing throws like quick outs or slants or back shoulder throws. You can because of the near picks he's looking and waiting for the WR to get more open instead of throwing to a spot. Towels did this and it made him throw late and then try to throw harder to fit it in which caused high throw long or made him yip it on short throws.
I always thought the way to fix a lack of confidence is to call set timing throws like quick outs or slants or back shoulder throws. You can because of the near picks he's looking and waiting for the WR to get more open instead of throwing to a spot. Towels did this and it made him throw late and then try to throw harder to fit it in which caused high throw long or made him yip it on short throws.
LOL! This guy again. If we won the game with 350 passing yards, you would have posted that Boom Williams must be frustrated. Football players know there is no "I" in "team". They know their starting quarterback is injured. They just want to win.
Good lord, man
It wasn't a total thing of beauty but we did what we had to do and have a first year nobody juco QB at the helm after the first two options left us or got hurt
Just take two weeks and let's please enjoy a victory. Your frustration is noted and as such I also am hoping to hear from Drew Barker soon.
It wasn't a total thing of beauty but we did what we had to do and have a first year nobody juco QB at the helm after the first two options left us or got hurt
Just take two weeks and let's please enjoy a victory. Your frustration is noted and as such I also am hoping to hear from Drew Barker soon.
Johnson is far from great, but he gives effort imo. Yes, seemed to step back passing yesterday.
I don't know whether to think DB will ever be back this year. If not soon, makes me wonder if they'll take a close look at Hoak over next two weeks & maybe pull his RS. I'd hate that for him, but if that's the best option, gotta do what you have to.
I don't know whether to think DB will ever be back this year. If not soon, makes me wonder if they'll take a close look at Hoak over next two weeks & maybe pull his RS. I'd hate that for him, but if that's the best option, gotta do what you have to.
No thank you sir. Your routine is comedy to me. Can't wait to see what ulismyman posts next! And btw, I thought our secondary was supposed to be our strength? U think they're frustrated too?
Johnson may not have Joe Montana's arm, but he has a ton of heart and gives his all every play. How many first downs did he get for us yesterday? TOUGH first downs.
Johnson has a grit I've not seen in Barker and there are no guarantees that any QB/WR combo could have accomplished any more for this team than Johnson did yesterday.
Maybe stop finding reasons to ***** about this team and just support it in its time of need. If the WR's are frustrated with winning a GD football game over a team that has beaten their *** half the time they've been here, well, they deserve the trouble they're looking for, too.
Johnson has a grit I've not seen in Barker and there are no guarantees that any QB/WR combo could have accomplished any more for this team than Johnson did yesterday.
Maybe stop finding reasons to ***** about this team and just support it in its time of need. If the WR's are frustrated with winning a GD football game over a team that has beaten their *** half the time they've been here, well, they deserve the trouble they're looking for, too.
How about putting yourself on ignore? You post like a Hoosier.
Yeah, thought the bounce pass was much better suited to basketball.
He looked great against NMSU throwing the ball and now he has lost all confidence..hopefully a bye week and a horrid miss state defense can get it back for him....in yhe meantime Gran needs to get Luke or Gunner ready in the bye week...Johnson needs to know we have other options
Vandy has a top-50 rated defense (by the numbers). SC is top-20.
NMSU is about 60 spots below Vandy.
NMSU is about 60 spots below Vandy.
Mark Stoops must be In seventh heaven not having to pass the ball:football::football::joy::joy::joy::joy::clap::clap:[banana][banana]:sunglasses:
The lack of play making at the receiver position since Cobb left really, is concerning and frustrating.
I've talked about it numerous times over the years.
It is one of the reasons why this team/program has under achieved through the Joker and Stoops era.
In the offensive era of football you have got to put together a competitive receiving group, and you need one game changing play maker. You can get by with one or the other, UK has neither.
We have no clutch 3rd down catcher, no deep threat, no sure fire redzone target, etc.
The thing about the passing attack is that it is the great equalizer in football, kind of like the 3 pt line in basketball.
If you have some sort of ability to produce through the air, you can afford to be average in other areas.
A two or three star receiver with wheels and ability to catch can negate 4-5 star defensive players. Opposing Ds can rush with sec and pro caliber front 8 all they want, but if you can be successful in passing game specifically the intermediate and long range, you can out punch your class.
It's a combination of two very fundamental and obvious things. Evaluating and projecting recruits, as well as developing them in the system. UK has done neither extremely well.
I've talked about it numerous times over the years.
It is one of the reasons why this team/program has under achieved through the Joker and Stoops era.
In the offensive era of football you have got to put together a competitive receiving group, and you need one game changing play maker. You can get by with one or the other, UK has neither.
We have no clutch 3rd down catcher, no deep threat, no sure fire redzone target, etc.
The thing about the passing attack is that it is the great equalizer in football, kind of like the 3 pt line in basketball.
If you have some sort of ability to produce through the air, you can afford to be average in other areas.
A two or three star receiver with wheels and ability to catch can negate 4-5 star defensive players. Opposing Ds can rush with sec and pro caliber front 8 all they want, but if you can be successful in passing game specifically the intermediate and long range, you can out punch your class.
It's a combination of two very fundamental and obvious things. Evaluating and projecting recruits, as well as developing them in the system. UK has done neither extremely well.
What??? Are you serious? We have a good receiver personnel group right now. They just need the ball served up correctly.
If we completed passes as often as OP posted clown threads we'd have a more prolific offense than Louisville.
Sometimes good isn't good enough.
Our receptions, YAC, and TDs are nowhere near competitive.
When your QB situation isn't great, when your OL isn't great, when your D isn't great, etc, something has to make up the difference.
I had some really high hopes for our receivers this year, and overall think there is some nice talent in the group, but they haven't risen to the occasion.
Sure, if we had a pass happy offense and a top gun slinger we may be singing a different tune, but that's not the case. The WRs need to over come the lack of those things.
Sometimes the QB and offense can make the receivers, but sometimes the receivers can and need to make the QB/offense.
Don't take the bait. He's either just a troll or doesn't know a dang thing about the game of football.
Sorry, but I don't see them having nearly as much to do with the problems you list. It all starts with recognizing open receivers and giving them a catchable ball. I will add, however, that more people than S Johnson shoulder the blame for the unit's current inability to consistently do it. Staff and offensive line personnel are right in there with the QB. I'm just not seeing much evidence that the receivers are falling apart on us. I am sure that in some instances they don't give the QB the help he needs, but in the main, I am going to give them credit for being a seasoned and more thancompetent unit.
Johnson missed on some short, wide-open throws, but I also thought our receivers were not open on many plays. It may be that running the ball so well takes them out of the game mentally, at times.....not sure about that. I thought Vandy's secondary was pretty good and better than ours. Our wide-outs are now going up against SEC secondaries and there is less time to throw.....it all goes together, especially with Johnson struggling with his accuracy now. Like all of us, I'm hoping the week off will help SJ work hard on his throwing. He seems like a focused and determined kid, so he'll put in the effort.
back to the OP.....
I have thought about this as well, but if you look at our downfield blocking - the WR's are doing a good job of sustaining blocks on secondary players. That is usually a tell-tale sign of the attitude of the receiving corps; they would rather be catching balls.
If this poor passing continues for weeks, we may start to see some frustration - but for now I think all is well!!
I have thought about this as well, but if you look at our downfield blocking - the WR's are doing a good job of sustaining blocks on secondary players. That is usually a tell-tale sign of the attitude of the receiving corps; they would rather be catching balls.
If this poor passing continues for weeks, we may start to see some frustration - but for now I think all is well!!
I appreciate the fact we have Johnson, & he is giving it all. He seems to be afraid he will throw a pick to the other team. Too cautious it appears to me. Maybe we could throw more to a back in motion. I remember Moe Williams well. He gained a lot of Yardage , when, the QB passed the ball to him behind the QB, in the flat. Just like a long handoff. we have speed guys, so hope they might consider this to help passing game for Johnson. we will have to pass much better to win 3 more games.
Ive been really impressed by Badets attitude. Always excited for his teammates, namely the running backs through this passing drought.
Its been said that Johnson hurt his wrist earlier in one of the previous games so lets see what happens without the injury and the wind and we are home.
When Barker went down the staff had to retool the offense to take advantage of the QB that they had and his skill set. That is going to involve more read option, RPOs short passes and an occasional bomb. We aren't gong to see 300 yards of passing against any SEC team, but we may see 250 yards of rushing. We do what we have to do to win, not to entertain fans that just want to see the ball in the air.
I'd like for it to improve myself. I think we have a talented wide receiving core, but we just haven't been able to air it out. I think it's a combination of things. QB play, pass blocking, some dropped passes, good defenses. That, and throw in the fact that we've been running the ball pretty effectively.
I heard that some are bitching.
If they are frustrated, find some other way to make it a TEAM win. Make a block, tuck your head and find the sticks....take a hit (BADET)
We have SEVERAL STARTERS that are only concerned about their potential pro careers. WE have 2 nice TEAM WINS against our East rivals in a row and they some are bitching about not enough touches ??????
I hope some of them keep bitching so that we can finally play a couple of guys that just want to win, and will do whatever it takes to make that happen.
If they are frustrated, find some other way to make it a TEAM win. Make a block, tuck your head and find the sticks....take a hit (BADET)
We have SEVERAL STARTERS that are only concerned about their potential pro careers. WE have 2 nice TEAM WINS against our East rivals in a row and they some are bitching about not enough touches ??????
I hope some of them keep bitching so that we can finally play a couple of guys that just want to win, and will do whatever it takes to make that happen.
What an amazing thought given you have no idea or clue why the passing game is ineffective at the moment.