You must be one of those big shots I was talking about. I'm sorry, did the NIL cost you some money.Did you have the choice to walk away at any time? If so, it was your choice to work there, for whatever reason. Granted, they were/are some of the better paying jobs for many people but it wasn't that you were forced to....Right?
Foreseeably at least, a common employment type of arrangement might be the best solution for both sides of NIL. They should get a negotiated but hourly/weekly salary that can increase as agreed up but also, either party can walk away, too. Like most any job! Most every job in the world is performance based and this one should be as well. You are expected to earn YOUR AGREED UPON PAY! If ya don't, they should be able to fire them. Same for the other way around. But if there's a contract, it must stipulate these things. Isn't Ky a Right to Work state?Seems to me, 18 year old student athletes are being given different legal rights than an 18 year old non-student athlete. But granted...if it's in writing...
Our roster is a 22 million dollar one
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Pope is now under huge pre$$ure to win big !!
Im not sure what you mean. It’s a top 5 pre season roster all in all. It’s got former champions, final four players, defensive enforcers, 6th men of the year, top 10 draft picks etc. what exactly do you want us to have? We can’t land Zion he’s already played he’s now overweight in the NBA.
The roster is fine for what we need to work with. Kentucky has to be methodical when buying players. Every agent and handler knows UK is loaded with cash and has a fanbase that wants it all. They’re going to hold us hostage if we just throw money around that’s not how negotiations are going to work and they shouldn’t. Playing at UK is a privilege, we shouldn’t have to pay like that. So Pope is going to lose some because he’s not going to be held hostage. We want guys that are reasonable minded and understand this isn’t Arkansas or Louisville. It’s a privilege to play here so you play for a reasonable price. Not every handler wants to hear that.
I couldn’t agree more. Now if they wouldn’t act like we spent three times as everybody else then I wouldnt say that. If we spent way more than we should be unanimous preseason number one. We should be absolutely loaded.
Yea we have a nice roster but it don’t scream 22 million to me. You could almost build a competitive football team with 22 million.
If salary cap is put in place it will bring back cheating with payment bags under the table or other means to compensate players and their families like a few years back.
Good point. I hadn't thought about it that way. We're kinda stuck.
I never said the university but, is this not what the revenue sharing rule does? The link below explains both NIL and revenue sharing, in simple terms.
What is NIL and Revenue Sharing? | NIL & Rev-Share Explained
Get a clear explanation of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) and revenue share in college sports. Learn how NIL and revenue share works, who it affects, and why it’s reshaping the NCAA landscape.
www.nilnewsstand.com
I think it’s also worth noting that Pope builds his teams with analytical thinking and a “fit build” mindset. Sometimes we aren’t going to understand exactly the method he’s using. Pope is a brilliant guy and what I loved more than anything about him this last season is he did something the coach before him didn’t do. How refreshing is it to see an ADJUSTMENT. He adjusted his roster that’s where we got MO. I don’t think he would have recruited him at BYU.
So really I guess I’m not seeing why this roster wouldn’t be 20mil. JQ is a top 10 draft pick. MO is one of the best defensive players in the conference. Aberdeen is a champ and was due to be a starter at Florida. Looks like Cam is going to be a top 10/15 pick. It’s got top recruits and early 1st round NBA guys. Guys like Noah and chandler are going to have to be paid nicely, or someone else will. They’re going to be starter level SEC guys soon.
I guess I’m wondering what some would have preferred to see at that price. Any players in mind? Obviously guys like the Boozer twins were Duke, the guard at Tennessee chose them to go back home etc. just wondering who some were wanting to justify the price in their mind? Because I feel like we’re sort of underrating this roster.
IF this is true. I would have expected an absolutely loaded roster honestly. Which we do not have.
Ben Roberts in not Jerry Tipton, so I value his reporting more.
I'm okay that UK has figured out a way to pay more than most. That's the landscape we're in and best to be at the top.
But... it is hitting a hornets nest, hard to preach all for one, one for all, when some are paid more than others. But I guess that's the reality of pro sports.
Has NIL ruined college basketball so far, I don't think so, not yet, but we see.
I'm okay that UK has figured out a way to pay more than most. That's the landscape we're in and best to be at the top.
But... it is hitting a hornets nest, hard to preach all for one, one for all, when some are paid more than others. But I guess that's the reality of pro sports.
Has NIL ruined college basketball so far, I don't think so, not yet, but we see.
Because this nil thing can not be proved it is right or wrong. No one from Kentucky department will actually respond this kind of thing...
Even if this number is fake and totally made up, do you really think Kentucky basketball would come out and argue, “That’s not how much we spent”? That would be meaningless.
If you follow the NBA, you know that even reputable media outlets often publish rumors or half-true stories, they’re not 100% accurate either.
So this number is secret and can not proved it right or wrong
But at the end of the day, winning results are what matter. If you win, the spending is justified. If you lose, the spending becomes the original sin.
Even if this number is fake and totally made up, do you really think Kentucky basketball would come out and argue, “That’s not how much we spent”? That would be meaningless.
If you follow the NBA, you know that even reputable media outlets often publish rumors or half-true stories, they’re not 100% accurate either.
So this number is secret and can not proved it right or wrong
But at the end of the day, winning results are what matter. If you win, the spending is justified. If you lose, the spending becomes the original sin.
Not sure we have seen revenue sharing in action yet. We have seen NIl. There is NO contract involving the university nor basketball. Nothing binding the athlete to participate or perform. If you are contending that commitment to sponsor a shoe company is somehow legally obligating the athlete to perform for the school, I stand corrected though this is expressly against NCAA eligibility requirements. There is no contract tying NIL to the school or commitment to perform.I never said the university but, is this not what the revenue sharing rule does? The link below explains both NIL and revenue sharing, in simple terms.
What is NIL and Revenue Sharing? | NIL & Rev-Share Explained
Get a clear explanation of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) and revenue share in college sports. Learn how NIL and revenue share works, who it affects, and why it’s reshaping the NCAA landscape.
Revenue sharing is quite another matter. Again, I’m not certain we have seen that in action.
While reluctant to reply further with you...I never mentioned university contracts. That was you. Yes, NIL is separate and is based on a contractual agreement between the payer and the payee for use of his NI and L. I'm contending that if a payer such as Nike gives him money for his/her nil qualities/value, they have a contract..even if only verbal. Albeit, I'm betting it's not just verbal and that it requires him to go to one of many Nike schools. I do not believe that would be an infraction. And yes, that is paying for his services but not his performance, per se. Stokes signed such an agreement with Nike BEFORE committing anywhere. Flagg committed to Duke before signing with a competing shoe company that, as far as I know, does not have a list of schools from which they could contractually dictate he play for. Not that it would matter if they did, because he committed before signing with New Balance, so they knew beforehand what they were getting, in that regard. Comparing Stokes to Flagg is apples and oranges because of all of that.
Now, to what you keep hammering on about contracts with universities... Revenue sharing is exactly that. Do you expect us to believe that UK spent $22 million..or whatever amount of their revenue share allocated by courts, to players without any contracts? If so, I've got some ocean front property in Ky I'd love to sell you. Are there any examples of players accepting revenue sharing monies from a school and then signing with a different team? I can't begin to say just how stupid ANY school would be to pay the kind of money we're talking about without a contract of some sort. That doesn't mean they have to perform at any certain level...but it should! But if the two parties agree on terms, it better damn well be in writing or everyone involved in spending the revenue sharing monies so recklessly and stupidly, should be fired immediately. Not only that, but they should be investigated too. If there's no binding agreement, who can say where the money truly goes...or even how much?
I'm gonna stop there. It seems you want to argue more than anything and frankly, I'm beginning to feel like I'm arguing with a 12 year old. Enjoy!
We are stacked 1 thru 5 with quality backups at every position.
Johnson is a 5 star player. Moreno the 3rd ranked Center. Oh wait, preseason SEC player of the year. JQ Top 5-10 draft pick. Lowe was an all conference guard I believe. The Serbian player was very highly rated in his league and Mo and Aberdeen are both highly regarded players from elite teams
This is unsustainable, also puts a coach at a disadvantage. If he doesn't win it the narrative will be highest payroll in NCAA and couldn't win. If he wins it the best team money can buy will be the mantra. Also if UK does win it every coach in NCAA will scream for more money from ADs to be "competative". The agents will latch on to this driving the price of fielding a team, higher and higher. It is simply an untenable business model.The sad thing is in competitive sports the size of one payroll often doesn't lead to championships. If it did the Yankees and the Lakers would win it every year yet they don't.
I’ll feel we have a really good team and will win a ton of games. Shouldn’t be a game where we get blown out. We have to many good players for everybody to have a bad night. I’ll feel a lot better when I see JQ suit up. I still don’t have a good feeling about how much he plays this year. I think he would play from the first game if he could. I don’t think he’s gonna be cleared and then not play type of thing. Honestly think he isn’t cleared in time to make much of a difference. Also I’m just super negative in my own way hoping that I get proved wrong on just about everything. At the end of the day I just want the Cats to kick some butt.
Key to the season imo. When does JQ suit up? I think he’s the difference between a sweet 16 and a national championship. I’ll feel a whole lot better when I see him tearing the rim off in a game.
And how does a contract between a player and unrelated party help us or give us any protection?
Also read the link you provided. The revenue sharing is nothing more than a levelized compensation paid by the university to all players of whatever sport they deem fit. Basically a participation trophy not tied to performance other than showing up. I will concede, a rather nice trophy if and when it is ever given. Further, it will be subject to disclosure and not shrouded in secrecy.
Given we are taking about ‘college basketball’ to the small extent it continues to exist, I don’t see any legal protection for the basketball portions of these relationships between player and university. None exists. Contracts between other parties are wholly irrelevant to this discussion.
I think we’ve got Caliapari syndrome. I can’t see Pope giving him the money and the time for this program if he wasn’t going to be ready. Pitino tubby pope, they aren’t doing that. Calipari would have done that and said he’s a “players coach” and “paid the family” whether or not they played. He’s a one of a kind who sells his soul for future recruits. That was his recruiting pitch and he thought he had to do it. Well he didn’t, and it hurt us badly. Pope wouldn’t have signed JQ unless he fully expected him to play. The Calipari “hold the program hostage” days are over. That was only Calipari.
Also worth noting Pope is a former medical student. He understands player injuries like no other. The “player first” days are over.
theres an astrisk tho whether you like it or not. love jasper and hes my fav player on the team, unfortunately pope wont play him much this szn so we cant rly put much stock there, and jq's astrisk is his injury, anf through allllllllll that
a 22 million roster and we dont have a number one portal class, hs class and arent ranked preseason top five
rankings dont matter but with a 22 million roster cmon now
Jasper is a five star to me, he was one the vast majority of the ranking systems almost the entire time. Moreno is a fringe one, some classes they just don’t have 25 total like they usually do.
I guarantee Cals roster cost way more than 6 million dollars. I’d be willing to be the two five star guards cost 4 million alone plus whatever Wagner, Knox, Richmond, and Brazile got to return. They are the core and each of them got a million at least. I’d bet Knox and DJ get upwards of that easy. Right there you are at 8 million at least. Then whatever Ewin got to transfer as he was a top 50ish transfer, Pringle was an SEC starter, and another local four star kid, Isiah Sealy who was composite #69 probably got a decent offer being from the state. Then you have 3 international guys who came in. Let’s say another 4 million for all those guys. That’s 12 million conservatively.
Look at the Dodgers, pure payroll domination. The Yankees have a great history because they always spend. It doesn’t always win, but it the majority of the time it leads to good results with a chance. It’s about smart investments.
Not signing Kawhi Leonard to max deals or Paul George when they are 35 with 18 knee surgeries. Have key guys locked up like Peyton Manning, Brady, etc.. with strategic offensive weapons and good line play plus a defense that can contend. Not the Cowboys using 50% of their cap waiting to sign two players at the last minute with no defensive depth for example.
I believe Pope signed above average guys with some studs who fit together and have depth needed to win. Veterans, youth, NBA talent, High level college talent
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Unbelievable stuff right there. It is great that you are such a fan of UK but seriously, Pope isn't going to held hostage? We only get reasonable minded players? A privilege to play here for a reasonable price? Why are we the only team to supposedly pay up to 22 million for a team.
This! Why do they keep saying this? I think it’s more between 12-14 million.
More than one media professional has mentioned the over 20 million amount. Lets say you are right about the 12 to 14 million payout. That is still number one.
Pope will absolutely not be held hostage the way Calipari was. Calipari was absolutely man handled by recruits and their handlers in his last years. We had guy SITTING on the bench refusing to play. He was making up fake injuries. How the hell does anyone not understand a guy like Pope who is all program not going to allow that nonsense?
Kentucky pulls weight. Again not sure why you’re not understanding the concept. It is 100% a privilege to play at UK vs. other programs. The brand, stage, future implications vs. other programs is night and day. Of course, the pay will have to be there, but UK shouldn’t have to pay what a program like Vandy would for a top player. Not that the difference is millions, of course not. But I don’t believe players will for the most part demand Kentucky match Virginia tech. We’ll get close and tell them that’s good enough. Of course we will.
Pope isn’t going to want a guy that doesn’t value what we’re doing here. If the program means nothing to to you and you don’t understand the difference then Pope will move on. Look at the roster. MO knew the difference in UK and bama and wanted to be a part of this. So did Aberdeen, it’s been said we matched Florida and he took the UK offer. JQ wanted to be a part of this and committed almost immediately. He’s going after guys that understand and want to be a part of this unique program.
We are loaded down to the 10th man. We have a top 50 player sitting at the end of the bench. We have NBA top picks. We have expensive players. Most teams can’t and won’t pay to be that deep. What do you mean why are we the only team paying that? UNC is building football for their move to the SEC. Duke is probably paying more. Not sure what you’re not getting. I don’t know if it’s 20 or 15, but the roster is definitely stacked compared.
I gave all of my families money because Matt Jones told me Mark Poop needed the money. Welllll Trump closed my mine and I can't draw unemployment.
I sure hope Noah hits a 3 boyz
I sure hope Noah hits a 3 boyz
Pope himself said our NIL budget is "almost $200 million." So, why do we believe random reports over our coach? Lol!
Yes, he was joking but the key takeaway is that if it was public info, he'd tell us, rather than jokingly mocking the random posters. Think on that for a minute. Just my 2 cents but next year will tell us more about whee big programs stand with NIL money. We'll see but it's hard to fathom what some people post and really do believe.
I'm still waiting on any kind of breakdown that justifies the claims of 22 freaking million dollars. Anyone? Please! Post the chart or the link to it!!!
Pics...or it didn't happen...Period! Enough of this crap, already!
It's not helping! If recruits actually believe this crap and we offer them $500,000(still pretty big number), they probably think we're snubbing them! Think PEOPLE! OMG!!!
Yes, he was joking but the key takeaway is that if it was public info, he'd tell us, rather than jokingly mocking the random posters. Think on that for a minute. Just my 2 cents but next year will tell us more about whee big programs stand with NIL money. We'll see but it's hard to fathom what some people post and really do believe.
I'm still waiting on any kind of breakdown that justifies the claims of 22 freaking million dollars. Anyone? Please! Post the chart or the link to it!!!
Pics...or it didn't happen...Period! Enough of this crap, already!
It's not helping! If recruits actually believe this crap and we offer them $500,000(still pretty big number), they probably think we're snubbing them! Think PEOPLE! OMG!!!
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This ridiculously false $$$# is being put out for 2 reasons…
1. If UK wins it all, they bought the title.
2. If UK doesn’t win the title, they wasted the money.
I can guarantee you that Duke spent as much or more money than UK, and you will never hear anything like this associated with them!
Because UK is the top of the MCBB mountain, not dUKe
1. If UK wins it all, they bought the title.
2. If UK doesn’t win the title, they wasted the money.
I can guarantee you that Duke spent as much or more money than UK, and you will never hear anything like this associated with them!
Because UK is the top of the MCBB mountain, not dUKe