PAC 12 releases statement on CFP expansion...

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“The Pac-12 is strongly in favor of CFP expansion, and we support all of the six most-discussed expansion models that would allow for expansion to occur in time for the final two years of the current CFP agreement.”

In other words, we support playoff expansion because we’ll never make it in the four-team format.
 

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“The Pac-12 is strongly in favor of CFP expansion, and we support all of the six most-discussed expansion models that would allow for expansion to occur in time for the final two years of the current CFP agreement.”

In other words, we support playoff expansion because we’ll never make the four-team format.

True for pretty much everyone save the SEC, OSU, and Clemson. Jury out on Oklahoma.
 

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And they need to do something; viewership was down big time for the CFP games on NYE and we know last year's NC game was the lowest rated in since the CFP was announced. I do think this year's game will have better ratings since it was more competitive (for the most part), but next year's CFP games, also on NYE, are on a Saturday night. If it's Bama, Georgia, OSU, Clemson, Oklahoma or some other rando, people will continue to tune out. I think in the short term you will see more lopsided games in an expanded playoff, but it will pay off down the road once NIL money and more opportunity to make the CFP start getting more traction. As soon as the NC was Bama and Georgia, ticket prices plummeted. People are losing interest.
 

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And they need to do something; viewership was down big time for the CFP games on NYE and we know last year's NC game was the lowest rated in since the CFP was announced. I do think this year's game will have better ratings since it was more competitive (for the most part), but next year's CFP games, also on NYE, are on a Saturday night. If it's Bama, Georgia, OSU, Clemson, Oklahoma or some other rando, people will continue to tune out. I think in the short term you will see more lopsided games in an expanded playoff, but it will pay off down the road once NIL money and more opportunity to make the CFP start getting more traction. As soon as the NC was Bama and Georgia, ticket prices plummeted. People are losing interest.
So what are they to do, stop having the 2 best teams play for the championship?

Expand to 8, going past that is braindead. The first round of playoffs are routinely blowouts as it is now. But to suggest they need to 'do something' to stop the best 2 teams being in the championship game, that is a non-starter. Sorry if it bores people but the the best teams need to be in the final, period. And btw, the blowouts are going to continue, and even going to 8 will make it a lot worse. You want extra teams? That is the price. Viewership does not impact that, why in the world would you say such a thing?

Why do people think this should fit their own utopia?
 

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So what are they to do, stop having the 2 best teams play for the championship?

Expand to 8, going past that is braindead. The first round of playoffs are routinely blowouts as it is now. But to suggest they need to 'do something' to stop the best 2 teams being in the championship game, that is a non-starter. Sorry if it bores people but the the best teams need to be in the final, period. And btw, the blowouts are going to continue, and even going to 8 will make it a lot worse. You want extra teams? That is the price. Viewership does not impact that, why in the world would you say such a thing?

Why do people think this should fit their own utopia?

It's all about viewership; they don't get these massive TV contracts to have no one watch. Why would you say that? You think they make billion dollar decisions based on getting the two best teams to play? LOL. If the numbers continue to dwindle, the changes will come faster.
 

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Why is everything so complicated? Auto qualifier for each conference champ. Enough playoff spots for every conference. Plug them all into a bracket, then play. Make the conferences accountable to pick who they think their best representative should be. Conference championship selection rules are clear and defined, schools know what they have to do. Teams in the same conference share the same scheduling rules so they can be compared and stack ranked more accurately, making for a more fair and less subjective mess than the current process. Once in the playoff it's settled on the field, win or go home.

If you don't want to give every G5 conference a spot then restrict it to only the top 1-2 G5 teams based on the polls. I'd be open to adding 1-2 at large spots for the rare circumstances when a conference has more than 1 legit candidate. That's it. This isn't hard and it's how every other sport manages it.
 

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It's all about viewership; they don't get these massive TV contracts to have no one watch. Why would you say that? You think they make billion dollar decisions based on getting the two best teams to play? LOL. If the numbers continue to dwindle, the changes will come faster.
It will be interesting to see the ratings.

In many ways, the network really couldn't have asked for a better scenario - the two teams that were hyped up all year as the two national beasts meeting, and the game was close and competitive throughout - with plenty of real big-time plays from big-time talents.

On the other hand, of course, are the other issues - the season taking so long to play out, the possible hangover from folks tired of seeing "the same old same old" (including a rematch of a game played just a month ago) - and the start time, to accommodate the left-coasters - running the game to near midnight on a weekday in the east.
 
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Why is everything so complicated? Auto qualifier for each conference champ. Enough playoff spots for every conference. Plug them all into a bracket, then play. Make the conferences accountable to pick who they think their best representative should be. Conference championship selection rules are clear and defined, schools know what they have to do. Teams in the same conference share the same scheduling rules so they can be compared and stack ranked more accurately, making for a more fair and less subjective mess than the current process. Once in the playoff it's settled on the field, win or go home.

If you don't want to give every G5 conference a spot then restrict it to only the top 1-2 G5 teams based on the polls. I'd be open to adding 1-2 at large spots for the rare circumstances when a conference has more than 1 legit candidate. That's it. This isn't hard and it's how every other sport manages it.

The NFL has built in rules to ensure the 'best' teams have to work more to win. They get lower draft picks and have harder schedules. CFB has nothing in place to stop teams from accruing the most talent, and they do f*ckall about scheduling. See the SEC in November. They need to do something to keep their product exciting and worth watching. Right now it's not, save the regular season.
 

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The NFL has built in rules to ensure the 'best' teams have to work more to win. They get lower draft picks and have harder schedules. CFB has nothing in place to stop teams from accruing the most talent, and they do f*ckall about scheduling. See the SEC in November. They need to do something to keep their product exciting and worth watching. Right now it's not, save the regular season.
The lack of uniform scheduling rules across conferences is, IMO, one of the biggest problems with the sport. How can anyone be expected to compare 130 different teams when they all follow different scheduling rules? If the playoff is going to continue to be a subjective invitational, then scheduling should be the first thing they change. But they won't. At least the SEC is smart enough to schedule in a manner to help their top teams reach the playoffs. The Big 10 does the opposite.
 

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“The Pac-12 is strongly in favor of CFP expansion, and we support all of the six most-discussed expansion models that would allow for expansion to occur in time for the final two years of the current CFP agreement.”

In other words, we support playoff expansion because we’ll never make it in the four-team format.
Neither will Penn State. Sorry to say.
 
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So what are they to do, stop having the 2 best teams play for the championship?

Expand to 8, going past that is braindead. The first round of playoffs are routinely blowouts as it is now. But to suggest they need to 'do something' to stop the best 2 teams being in the championship game, that is a non-starter. Sorry if it bores people but the the best teams need to be in the final, period. And btw, the blowouts are going to continue, and even going to 8 will make it a lot worse. You want extra teams? That is the price. Viewership does not impact that, why in the world would you say such a thing?

Why do people think this should fit their own utopia?

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Does the NFL have the two best teams playing for the championship ?

they screwed up the first time they let Bama in when then didn’t even win their own division - screwed the pooch royally

You should have always had to WIN your way in

they thought they could basically use the old system with four teams and they got this crap

They should have never even been allowed to call it a “Playoff” - they should have called it, “The new beauty pageant to allow two SEC teams to be in the playoffs” 😂
 

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The NFL has built in rules to ensure the 'best' teams have to work more to win. They get lower draft picks and have harder schedules. CFB has nothing in place to stop teams from accruing the most talent, and they do f*ckall about scheduling. See the SEC in November. They need to do something to keep their product exciting and worth watching. Right now it's not, save the regular season.
And add in the portal and NIL….with no regulation on either, lopsided competition will get even worse. NCAA is a complete cluster and at this point in time if not changed have ruined college football
 
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So what are they to do, stop having the 2 best teams play for the championship?

Expand to 8, going past that is braindead. The first round of playoffs are routinely blowouts as it is now. But to suggest they need to 'do something' to stop the best 2 teams being in the championship game, that is a non-starter. Sorry if it bores people but the the best teams need to be in the final, period. And btw, the blowouts are going to continue, and even going to 8 will make it a lot worse. You want extra teams? That is the price. Viewership does not impact that, why in the world would you say such a thing?

Why do people think this should fit their own utopia?

Start a field of 64 in January. Championship game in April.

o_O
 
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Why is everything so complicated? Auto qualifier for each conference champ. Enough playoff spots for every conference. Plug them all into a bracket, then play. Make the conferences accountable to pick who they think their best representative should be. Conference championship selection rules are clear and defined, schools know what they have to do. Teams in the same conference share the same scheduling rules so they can be compared and stack ranked more accurately, making for a more fair and less subjective mess than the current process. Once in the playoff it's settled on the field, win or go home.

If you don't want to give every G5 conference a spot then restrict it to only the top 1-2 G5 teams based on the polls. I'd be open to adding 1-2 at large spots for the rare circumstances when a conference has more than 1 legit candidate. That's it. This isn't hard and it's how every other sport manages it.
Oh, and f' ND - join a conference all the way or be left out.
 
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Neither will Penn State. Sorry to say.
Well, never is a long time, but casing on the Pac would have more force if it came from a fan whose school has actually been there.

FWIW, An expansion to eight teams seems like a no brainer to me.
 

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“The Pac-12 is strongly in favor of CFP expansion, and we support all of the six most-discussed expansion models that would allow for expansion to occur in time for the final two years of the current CFP agreement.”

In other words, we support playoff expansion because we’ll never make it in the four-team format.
Yep, basically. I read it as, “hey guys, please change it. Don’t even care how…anything but four teams. Hello? Anyone there? Pweez just change it!”
 
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So what are they to do, stop having the 2 best teams play for the championship?

Expand to 8, going past that is braindead. The first round of playoffs are routinely blowouts as it is now. But to suggest they need to 'do something' to stop the best 2 teams being in the championship game, that is a non-starter. Sorry if it bores people but the the best teams need to be in the final, period. And btw, the blowouts are going to continue, and even going to 8 will make it a lot worse. You want extra teams? That is the price. Viewership does not impact that, why in the world would you say such a thing?

Why do people think this should fit their own utopia?
How many teams make it to the super bowl that are usually not the two best teams every year. Impact of Upsets are the way to a great playoff and by having only 4 teams doesn’t help make that happen.
 

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FYI - Ratings for the National Championship game were up 19% over last year (22 million viewers).

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The 2022 College Football Playoff National Championship was one for the record books, as Georgia secured its first national title since 1980. The viewership of ESPN’s MegaCast presentation reflected the excitement surrounding the Alabama-Georgia showdown, with 22.6 million viewers tuning in across ESPN networks.

The Dawgs’ thrilling 33-18 victory over the SEC Champion Crimson Tide was up 19 percent from last year’s national championship contest between Alabama and Ohio State. The matchup peaked with 25.4 million viewers.

The Circle City showdown is the top event on cable since the 2020 LSU/Clemson national championship game and the most-viewed non-NFL sporting event during that span on any network. In fact, the top five non-NFL sports events during that time have been CFP Semifinal and Championship games.

The main ESPN telecast of Monday night’s showcase is the second-most-viewed non-NFL telecast (sports or non-sports) on a single network since February 2020. ESPN’s presentation of the action from Indianapolis is the most-watched TWDC telecast since the 2021 NFL Wild Card Game.

The share of TV viewers tuned in to this year’s CFP National Championship on ESPN networks was the best on record in the CFP era. 29 percent of people and 38 percent of adults 18-49 watching television Monday night were tuned in to the CFP National Championship.

Streaming Creates MegaCast Magic

Across all ESPN3/ESPN App exclusive feeds, streaming minutes were up 33 percent over 2020. Outside of the linear telecasts, Alabama’s Hometown Radio MegaCast was the most-streamed feed for both uniques and minutes. The Alabama and Georgia Hometown Radio MegaCast viewing options saw substantial year-over-year gains across AMA (up 75 percent), uniques (up 30 percent), minutes (up 85 percent), starts (up 20 percent) and minutes/viewer (up 35 percent).

New Year’s Six and National Championship Up Double Digits YOY

The New Year’s Six and CFP National Championship were up 16 percent over last year’s edition, notching 14.2 million average viewers across the seven games. The CFP semifinals and national championship game registered 18.9 million average viewers, on par with last year’s CFP when the semifinals were on New Year’s Day.

This year’s New Year’s Six finished up double digits year-over-year, averaging 12.7 million viewers, and every bowl of the 2021 New Year’s Six surpassed 7.5 million viewers for just the third time of the CFP era. The non-Semifinal New Year’s Six bowls recorded nearly 11 million viewers per game, ranking third out of the eight years of the CFP.

Putting A Bow on Bowl Season

Bowl Season delivered in the 2021-22 season, with 29 of 31 non-NY6 bowls this season surpassing one million viewers. Eighteen bowls drew more than two million viewers and nine topped three million. The 31 non-NY6 bowl games registered 2.6 million viewers across ESPN networks, up 12 percent year-over-year. On ESPN, bowl games recorded 2.5 million viewers per game, up 24 percent from 2020 and slightly up from 2019. Of the 27 bowls with a viewership comparison to 2019, 10 had their best audience since at least 2017 and seven had their best since at least 2015.

Across the regular season and postseason, ESPN networks delivered the four most-viewed games of the 2021-22 season (CFP National Championship, both CFP Semifinals and The Rose Bowl Game) and 59 of the top 100 games overall. ESPN networks were responsible for 62 percent of live game college football minutes viewed this season across all nationally measured li
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It's all about viewership; they don't get these massive TV contracts to have no one watch. Why would you say that? You think they make billion dollar decisions based on getting the two best teams to play? LOL. If the numbers continue to dwindle, the changes will come faster.
I think you're spot on. Behind closed doors, I think all the conferences want an expanded playoff because it would generate even more money. The problem then becomes how to divide all that money across the conferences, and I think that's where the hold up is. You'll never hear that from the conference commissioners because it all about education. 😏
 

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So what are they to do, stop having the 2 best teams play for the championship?

Expand to 8, going past that is braindead. The first round of playoffs are routinely blowouts as it is now. But to suggest they need to 'do something' to stop the best 2 teams being in the championship game, that is a non-starter. Sorry if it bores people but the the best teams need to be in the final, period. And btw, the blowouts are going to continue, and even going to 8 will make it a lot worse. You want extra teams? That is the price. Viewership does not impact that, why in the world would you say such a thing?

Why do people think this should fit their own utopia?
Tell us about tbe blowout of Texas A&M by Bama…oh wait…this could have I cured in playoff game.
 

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An expanded playoff does not necessarily have to be destined for opening round blowouts if structured properly. If the top teams earn a bye, then the opening round might feature some games between fairly evenly-matched teams which would add to the level of interest. The second round may still be characterized by blowouts, but that cannot be avoided even under the current status quo, as we all know.
 
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An expanded playoff does not necessarily have to be destined for opening round blowouts if structured properly. If the top teams earn a bye, then the opening round might feature some games between fairly evenly-matched teams which would add to the level of interest. The second round may still be characterized by blowouts, but that cannot be avoided even under the current status quo, as we all know.
Make some of those SEC teams play up North.
 

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There does seem to be some appetite for the favored team to host the first round in an expanded format which would be pretty awesome.
I'm guessing the SEC would vote no expanded playoffs in that case.
 

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The lack of uniform scheduling rules across conferences is, IMO, one of the biggest problems with the sport. How can anyone be expected to compare 130 different teams when they all follow different scheduling rules? If the playoff is going to continue to be a subjective invitational, then scheduling should be the first thing they change. But they won't. At least the SEC is smart enough to schedule in a manner to help their top teams reach the playoffs. The Big 10 does the opposite.
As long as the big 2 in the B10 continue to make playoff appearances, the powers that be will not change the current scheduling model.
 

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I fully support an expanded playoff, if only for the excitement factor should Penn State finally make it in.

But I highly doubt it will change any power dynamics in college football. Alabama will still play in the Championship game every year.

Let's take a look at the bowl subdivision football tourney, which fields 24 teams...

Despite 23 other schools competing in the playoffs every year, North Dakota State has won 9 (!!) championships since 2011.

 
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Why do people think this should fit their own utopia

If the criteria for getting in is known from day 1 and it involves a team winning something to get in vs backing in with a loss, people won't be bored with the same teams.

When Bama HAS to lose twice to guarantee they miss the invitational, while everyone else knows that they better be undefeated, you have an issue.

Saban has proved that with multiple weeks to prepare, he's going to dominate unless the opponent has NFL studs and or injuries derail his team.
 
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