PAC writer Wilner now pushing PAC to merge with BIG 12

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Does that mean Pods? Because if there can be endless threads with proposed Pods again, I'd be all for it. There are so many combinations to propose that will never happen, worthless arguments to be made, and shear lunacy that could ensue, that I can't wait to ignore them!

 

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Does that mean Pods? Because if there can be endless threads with proposed Pods again, I'd be all for it. There are so many combinations to propose that will never happen, worthless arguments to be made, and shear lunacy that could ensue, that I can't wait to ignore them!

Not sure—With recent rules changes there’s no need for divisions.
 

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Good signs?

Right now there are Arizona and Seattle news sources pushing a PAC/BIg 12 merger- didn’t see that last year when the BIg 12 was trying to form an alliance.
 

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If you find something you find interesting to post- post it. That’s what normal posters on a message board do. The only one with a “ narrative” is you, and SURPRISE! It’s ALWAYS anti WVU and anti BIG 12. Gotta keep your shill checks rolling in I guess huh?
Nothing is going to happen. This is the same story playing out all over again. Different year same story. Normal posters aren't obsessed with expansion like you clown. You don't have much to talk about when it comes to being anti wvu considering you have been bashing NB even before he coached his 1st game.
 

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PAC should be thinking it’s a matter of time before the next raid and just beat the B1G to the punch and expand to 25, throw Boise and a few others in there.

They should basically try to lead the charge for an all out NCAA football break and basically bring back D1A and D1AA with the leftovers in G5 as the de facto D1AA. If they let the SEC and B1G continue to dictate then they will be left behind in the D1AA tier.

If a program hasn’t made the commitment to football in a huge way by now, then the programs still dicking around the in Sun Belt, MAC, CUSA, etc need to be formally recognized as a different level.
 

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Right now the PAC is working on seeing what a new media deal could give them, see what an “alliance” could give them. Certain members are considering joining the BIG 12 and others are trying to sell the idea of an outright merger With the BIG 12. None of this is secret or made up like shill voorwhores fables and proclamation- all anti BIg 12 and WVU. They are news reports from the mainstream sports media.

Something is going to happen, it just isn’t happening instantaneously. But it’s just a matter of time now.

Pac schools know that their time to make decisions is short, which is why the league rushed into media rights negotiations the other day.

The BIG 12 has some time yet as their media rights don’t expire until July 2025.
 

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Right now the PAC is working on seeing what a new media deal could give them, see what an “alliance” could give them. Certain members are considering joining the BIG 12 and others are trying to sell the idea of an outright merger With the BIG 12. None of this is secret or made up like shill voorwhores fables and proclamation- all anti BIg 12 and WVU. They are news reports from the mainstream sports media.

Something is going to happen, it just isn’t happening instantaneously. But it’s just a matter of time now.

Pac schools know that their time to make decisions is short, which is why the league rushed into media rights negotiations the other day.

The BIG 12 has some time yet as their media rights don’t expire until July 2025.

The next time the PAC is raided they will be backloading with Big XII programs, so you might as well just get ahead of it and add the whole conference, no matter what FOX is telling them. Also, the sooner you add programs like Boise and legitimize them, then the quicker they can become a good asset even if they are not a good asset in this round of media negotiations.

As it was when we were in the Big East, the most important thing for all of these conferences and programs is keeping the seat at the table. You have a 4 team playoff, and if there are only 4 power conferences then logic dictates each one will remain a part of it.
 

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Or how about this voorwhore? Looks like Colorado Buffaloes news sources are also looking positively on a PAC/BIG 12 combo- why didn’t you post THIS? That’s really gonna piss off your bosses I’m guessing.

Five reasons why the Pac-12 and Big 12 would make perfect partners​


What about this Buckaineer

 

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Flying to Pacific Northwest to watch WVU play Oregon St in football sounds fun and affordable! Yay.

I'd rather play Fairmont State and Glenville.
 

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Flying to Pacific Northwest to watch WVU play Oregon St in football sounds fun and affordable! Yay.

I'd rather play Fairmont State and Glenville.
Head on over to Fairmont or Glenville then. WVU FANS will be happy to watch the Mountaineers stay relevant and play wherever they need to to stay at the top level of athletics.
 

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Head on over to Fairmont or Glenville then. WVU FANS will be happy to watch the Mountaineers stay relevant and play wherever they need to to stay at the top level of athletics.
I used to share your enthusiasm but the current state of major college athletics is a huge turnoff for me. I suspect a lot of people feel the same. At some point, you have to quit chasing these primadonas who don’t want to play you or be in a conference with you.
 

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I used to share your enthusiasm but the current state of major college athletics is a huge turnoff for me. I suspect a lot of people feel the same. At some point, you have to quit chasing these primadonas who don’t want to play you or be in a conference with you.
So far all we know is what some in the media want to tell you— that there will be two conferences only playing for the big playoff. But there’s not evidence to support that we are anywhere close to that.

College football hasn’t been a local thing for decades now and never will be again, so if you want your team competing you’ll have to accept that.

The best position for WVU and the conference it is in to succeed will be to be aggressive and become a national conference with WVU and UCF in the East and probably PAC teams in the west. Scheduling issues can be worked out later but you have to be in the game to adjust the rules Anyway.
 

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So far all we know is what some in the media want to tell you— that there will be two conferences only playing for the big playoff. But there’s not evidence to support that we are anywhere close to that.

College football hasn’t been a local thing for decades now and never will be again, so if you want your team competing you’ll have to accept that.

The best position for WVU and the conference it is in to succeed will be to be aggressive and become a national conference with WVU and UCF in the East and probably PAC teams in the west. Scheduling issues can be worked out later but you have to be in the game to adjust the rules Anyway.
You're missing the point
 

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If you find something you find interesting to post- post it. That’s what normal posters on a message board do. The only one with a “ narrative” is you, and SURPRISE! It’s ALWAYS anti WVU and anti BIG 12. Gotta keep your shill checks rolling in I guess huh?
Buccaneer I agree with you on the board troll. Why is he still here? Vernon got rid of the troll Greg. Much of the pissing contest quit. Good sports discussion increased.
 

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What point is that exactly?
That they’ve lost touch with the real mission of amateurism and the appeal of what made college football special. You may still be a fan and that’s fine. But I can tell you the appeal and passion isn’t about a select group of blueblood big market schools duking it out every week. It was about rivalries and bragging rights between regional groups of schools. USC against Michigan meant something in the Rose Bowl. Not the regular season. UCLA against Rutgers is not special. WVU Pitt meant something to their fans that the rest of America didn’t have to understand. Penn State Pitt meant something to PA for bragging rights. That made Saturday afternoons special. The little boy in Marion County helping his dad fix the car in the garage while tuning into WVU Penn State on the radio with Jack Fleming meant something. The homecoming game at WVU against Rutgers and WVU Pitt Thanksgiving meant something for the schools playing. And now we realize only certain schools can play for a NC. This is not college football anymore. And despite your optimism, you will see in 10-20 years the result of this.
 
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That they’ve lost touch with the real mission of amateurism and the appeal of what made college football special. You may still be a fan and that’s fine. But I can tell you the appeal and passion isn’t about a select group of blueblood big market schools duking it out every week. It was about rivalries and bragging rights between regional groups of schools. USC against Michigan meant something in the Rose Bowl. Not the regular season. UCLA against Rutgers is not special. WVU Pitt meant something to their fans that the rest of America didn’t have to understand. Penn State Pitt meant something to PA for bragging rights. That made Saturday afternoons special. The little boy in Marion County helping his dad fix the car in the garage while tuning into WVU Penn State on the radio with Jack Fleming meant something. The homecoming game at WVU against Rutgers and WVU Pitt Thanksgiving meant something for the schools playing. And now we realize only certain schools can play for a NC. This is not college football anymore. And despite your optimism, you will see in 10-20 years the result of this.
I'm not a fan of just "blue bloods" getting paid and playing, never have been. A school like Texas or Michigan or Florida getting paid for just having a name is not what its about. and what exactly makes schools like Tennessee, the Mississippis, Vanderbilt, KY, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, UMD, etc. etc. more deserving of competing than WVU or TCU or OK State or Texas Tech or ISU or KSU etc? Nothing.

but "amateurism" hasn't existed in major college sports since maybe the 70's or 80's. Coaches, schools and conferences have been raking in billions of dollars, moving about as they've pleased for years and getting bigger and bigger paydays.

If you are upset that athletes generating the revenues now can earn some money separate from all that, then you probably have some internal problems that need to be worked out--has nothing to do with colleges or sports.
 

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Buccaneer I agree with you on the board troll. Why is he still here? Vernon got rid of the troll Greg. Much of the pissing contest quit. Good sports discussion increased.
It would be great if a couple of these trolls could be removed. I remember when WVU fans and even some from opposing schools could have real discussions about WVU athletics instead of these lunatic childish ranters trying to run everyone else off the board.
 

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I'm not a fan of just "blue bloods" getting paid and playing, never have been. A school like Texas or Michigan or Florida getting paid for just having a name is not what its about. and what exactly makes schools like Tennessee, the Mississippis, Vanderbilt, KY, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, UMD, etc. etc. more deserving of competing than WVU or TCU or OK State or Texas Tech or ISU or KSU etc? Nothing.

but "amateurism" hasn't existed in major college sports since maybe the 70's or 80's. Coaches, schools and conferences have been raking in billions of dollars, moving about as they've pleased for years and getting bigger and bigger paydays.

If you are upset that athletes generating the revenues now can earn some money separate from all that, then you probably have some internal problems that need to be worked out--has nothing to do with colleges or sports.
That’s the misconception, the college athletes don’t generate the revenue. Most fans care about the name on the front of the jersey not the back.
 

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That’s the misconception, the college athletes don’t generate the revenue. Most fans care about the name on the front of the jersey not the back.
Oh, they care about the name on the back--look at the money they spend on buying certain players jerseys, or their desire to have players on the computer games previously. They just don't want those players to get a cut. Everyone else can in unlimited amounts but athletes do and its "oh, woe is college athletics, its not the same!" Makes no sense.
 

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Oh, they care about the name on the back--look at the money they spend on buying certain players jerseys, or their desire to have players on the computer games previously. They just don't want those players to get a cut. Everyone else can in unlimited amounts but athletes do and its "oh, woe is college athletics, its not the same!" Makes no sense.
They like those certain players because of what school they are playing for
 

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Oh, they care about the name on the back--look at the money they spend on buying certain players jerseys, or their desire to have players on the computer games previously. They just don't want those players to get a cut. Everyone else can in unlimited amounts but athletes do and its "oh, woe is college athletics, its not the same!" Makes no sense.
Unfortunately you are right. Fandom and the game has changed. IMO the few programs that can buy the best players will thrive. The rest will play amongst themselves. Most fa s will still support their teams. Many fans will walk away from watching rich teams play each other. Some fans will stop watching most games. IMO NCAA FB will go the way of MLB. You will see more teams struggle like the Pirates and Brewers than the Dodgers, Sox & Yankees.
 

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Unfortunately you are right. Fandom and the game has changed. IMO the few programs that can buy the best players will thrive. The rest will play amongst themselves. Most fa s will still support their teams. Many fans will walk away from watching rich teams play each other. Some fans will stop watching most games. IMO NCAA FB will go the way of MLB. You will see more teams struggle like the Pirates and Brewers than the Dodgers, Sox & Yankees.
It's more likely to go the way of NASCAR.
 

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I used to share your enthusiasm but the current state of major college athletics is a huge turnoff for me. I suspect a lot of people feel the same. At some point, you have to quit chasing these primadonas who don’t want to play you or be in a conference with you.
Agreed. Its not about WVU so much as it is the NCAA in general.
Head on over to Fairmont or Glenville then. WVU FANS will be happy to watch the Mountaineers stay relevant and play wherever they need to to stay at the top level of athletics.
Its not about WVU or its fans . Its about the direction the NCAA is taking college sports. Its about integrity. There isnt much left. Perhaps folks like you are into what's happening, but a lot of folks just aren't. Enjoy......
 

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Agreed. Its not about WVU so much as it is the NCAA in general.

Its not about WVU or its fans . Its about the direction the NCAA is taking college sports. Its about integrity. There isnt much left. Perhaps folks like you are into what's happening, but a lot of folks just aren't. Enjoy......

The only thing that bothers me is the free transferring at any given moment. But these guys not getting paid isn’t what made me watch, what I think needs to be implemented is that these NIL deals must have some type of strings attached to them to ensure continuity on rosters.

Ex: 4* LBer has offers from WVU and Clemson. Clemson he will be buried on the depth chart, but at WVU he will play right away. To sweeten the deal, a WVU booster offers a $30k NIL deal. That NIL deal should be voided if the kid decides to leave WVU within 2 years.
 

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Every other student that isn't an athlete, every coach and administrator is free to pursue other opportunities whenever and wherever they choose. Why then would it be a problem if the athletes do the same (to be honest some athletes--the ones NOT bringing in revenues to the school already could do these things).

None of this changes your happiness or sadness if your team wins or loses. Or the enjoyment of watching your team play if thats what you enjoy, or a gameday experience.

If you are worried you can't acquire and keep the athletes then you'll have to make it worth their while. Everyone isn't going to just attend schools in two conferences and ride the pine for four years and schools that get good athletes will still.

Just a part of the game that hasn't really changed much. No one can restrict these athletes to make money on their own as in the past--that is the difference.

Really has nothing to do with the NCAA since courts and conferences and schools have bypassed them. They were simply a restrictive tool that by law can't be used anymore to hamper an individuals ability to earn money.
 

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Unfortunately you are right. Fandom and the game has changed. IMO the few programs that can buy the best players will thrive. The rest will play amongst themselves. Most fa s will still support their teams. Many fans will walk away from watching rich teams play each other. Some fans will stop watching most games. IMO NCAA FB will go the way of MLB. You will see more teams struggle like the Pirates and Brewers than the Dodgers, Sox & Yankees.
I do believe that if the majority of college football teams cannot compete or be included, then these things will eventually ruin college sports because the fanbase will be removed from the sport. Its not like people in West Virginia or Virginia are going to be flocking to watch Alabama and Ohio State play one another each year or watch those Vanderbilt Texas or USC Rutgers week in and out matchups. Only the fans of those conferences will--and that will eliminate millions of viewers from the equation.

People will seek out their own teams on whatever platform is available.
 

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They like those certain players because of what school they are playing for
No, they like the school because it has those players and they buy the jersey because it has the players name and/or number on it. Why do you think the computer games quit making the games once they couldn't make money off the players likeness? Because they were greedy and didn't want to share that with the players, and no one would buy the game if it were just a school with anonymous figures instead of known stars that made the school a known entity in the first place.
 

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No, they like the school because it has those players and they buy the jersey because it has the players name and/or number on it. Why do you think the computer games quit making the games once they couldn't make money off the players likeness? Because they were greedy and didn't want to share that with the players, and no one would buy the game if it were just a school with anonymous figures instead of known stars that made the school a known entity in the first place.
Totally disagree with you. I’ve been all around this country, and I the only people I’ve known that likes the a school because of a player are family members and close friends of said players.