Pacheco: All shake,no bake

NickRU714

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He’s got to run the plays that are called. All the east/west is to his and our detriment.
thank you, spot on. Been saying this all season and people here don't understand that (not surprising given the football iq of our fanbase)

Ya we should totally go back to the offense of the last 2 years that was worst in the nation.
But hey, it was great for a specific RB so all is good.

The offense this year that is approx #75-100 (with only BIG competition) and won 3 BIG games as been such a detriment.

That's some great football IQ.
 

NickRU714

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If we had TEs that actually could effectively chop their job as Greg asks, those bubble screens might have us singing tiny bubbles.

Someone with better knowledge than me can break it down.

The last 3 years we've played ALOT TEs but they all stayed in the block. No blocking out in space - such as on a bubble screen.

It might just take time to get the TEs ( and WRs) to develop better blocking skills out in space.
 

Knight Shift

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Someone with better knowledge than me can break it down.

The last 3 years we've played ALOT TEs but they all stayed in the block. No blocking out in space - such as on a bubble screen.

It might just take time to get the TEs ( and WRs) to develop better blocking skills out in space.
There was a TE on Nebraska's team named Travis Vokolek who would have made those blocks. All of Nebraska's TE's looked like very athletic OL players.
 
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LETSGORU91_

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Sorry. Our other backs have more patience, and speed. I won’t change my mind even if he busts one up the middle for a TD from scrimmage....which is yet to happen.

Patience how? Last night our OL was beat quickly off the snap. Many plays, the middle was clogged immediately and the mass was pushed into our backfield. If he was "more patient", he would suffer 4 to 5 yard losses rather than struggling to get back to the line of scrimmage.
 

RUBOB72

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Our blocking at the 2nd level is still fragile and poor at times. Nebraska has monster size linebackers who can go sideline to sideline ...we have some good but still undersized players... 6’1... 6’2 225-235 is small ... check Nebraska...PSU...Wisconsin...Indiana... Ohio State... not only B1G but can move.
 

RU05

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IP is downhill runner playing in an offense that hands him the ball standing still with no momentum.
The pistol offense is not conducive to his running style
As it pertains to the OP, do we think that is why Pacheco seems heavy on the "shake"?

And I love Pacheco, so I'm not hating, merely engaging in some critical discussion, but I've also wondered if Pacheco, for as hard a runner as he is, does not attack the holes enough to make those consistent gains.

Now part of my thought was based on earlier season, punctuated by the Purdue game, where Langan was able to make those short yardage gains, and that has since mostly dried up so......
 
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RU05

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I don't understand why so many attacks on players are allowed on this board. There is a specific rule against it.
I know it's a fine line but I'd like to be able to engage in critical disussions of players. OP probably did go overly aggressive.
 
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RUBOB72

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If we had TEs that actually could effectively chop their job as Greg asks, those bubble screens might have us singing tiny bubbles.
It was sad to see the proficiency of 3-4 TE’s on Nebraska ... 6-7” 6 7”... 6 6” ... I heard Vokolak’s name mentioned but didn’t see him in ...Did he play... could have really helped us this season .
 
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RU05

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It was sad to see the proficiency of 3-4 TE’s on Nebraska ... 6-7” 6 7”... 6 6” ... I heard Vokolak’s name mentioned but didn’t see him in ...Did he play... could have really helped us this season .
They pointed him out once. Don't think he made any catches though.
 

RUBOB72

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Criticism goes with the territory. Sorry you’re butt hurt.
No he’s right in this trash talking about Pacheco... he has had several nice long TD runs but since our O lines of the past several years were deficient ( sucked) in being consistent in it certainly affected the run game. He does however need to give some plays or openings time to develop. He runs with abandon... Another fact which enters into the equation is our WR blocking which is decent this season but do we have a TE who can lay someone out ? Meyers is too small ... Haskins is mediocre at best... That 2nd level blocking would be so valuable in the run game... agree with Beaced... running Pop sideline to sideline is great but we need some off tackle blocking to work... This is what kills our run game when Isaiah is in the backfield... sorry I love the kid.
 
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Knight Shift

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It was sad to see the proficiency of 3-4 TE’s on Nebraska ... 6-7” 6 7”... 6 6” ... I heard Vokolak’s name mentioned but didn’t see him in ...Did he play... could have really helped us this season .
They pointed him out once. Don't think he made any catches though.
Made a catch across the middle for a first down


Sad that Nebraska's worst TE would be our best TE.

As Greg once said, some day our best will be good enough (ad-libbing here: and maybe better than their worst?).
 

RUbacker

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He is a hard runner, Gleeson doing no favors making him run 50 yards left and right all over the field for 1 yard carry
He is not being used correctly in my opinion. We wasted him this year. One thing gleeson does not do is give it to the same RB fir a few plays in a row . I think pacheco is better that way and also I hate the side to side runs.
 
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Kbee3

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He is not being used correctly in my opinion. We wasted him this year. One thing gleeson does not do is give it to the same RB fir a few plays in a row . I think pacheco is better that way and also I hate the side to side runs.
Are you saying he'd do much better in some other team's offense ?
 

RUTGERS95

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Ya we should totally go back to the offense of the last 2 years that was worst in the nation.
But hey, it was great for a specific RB so all is good.

The offense this year that is approx #75-100 (with only BIG competition) and won 3 BIG games as been such a detriment.

That's some great football IQ.
you're a fking moron if you think that is what is being said. If you don't see issues with the offense then you have zero idea what you're talking about and should just remain silent like a kid at the kiddie table so the adults can speak
 
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bitnez

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Gleeson gave the ball to Hubbard a lot last year so he’s not afraid to feed one guy. We all have our theories, but for whatever reason he doesn’t view IP as a lead dog.

BTW, if he improves his catching/blocking (a must for any 3rd/4th RB) I think IP has a chance to play in the league. Angry runners have opportunities.
 

NickRU714

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you're a fking moron if you think that is what is being said. If you don't see issues with the offense then you have zero idea what you're talking about and should just remain silent like a kid at the kiddie table so the adults can speak

Obviously the offense still have problems.
However, every aspect of the offense improved over 2019.
Rushing offense was BETTER than 2020.

If the offense as a whole getting better means IP has a reduced or altered role - so be it.
IP has to fit into the offense OC SG wants to run.
So far the offense OC SG wants to run has started working.

Rutgers Rushing Offense:
2019 (12 Games)
38.06 att/G for 133.75 Yards/G
11 TDs

2020 (9 Games)
38.00 att/G for 140.33 Yards/G
13 TDs

Rutgers Passing Offense:
2019 (12 Games)
23.2 Att/G for 139.3 Yards/G
7 TDs 15 Ints

2020 (9 Games)
35.1 Att/G for 195.0 Yards/G
14 TDs 9 Ints
 
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NickRU714

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Final IP stats:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/isaih-pacheco-1.html

2018 (11 Games)
111 Atts for 551 Yards
10.01 Att/G for 50.0 Yards/Game
5.0 Avg per Attempt
3 TDs

2 total catches for 11 total yards

Total Yardage:
113 Plays for 562 Yards
5.0 Avg per play

2019 (11 Games)
169 Atts for 729 Yards
15.36 Att/G for 66.27 Yards/Game
4.3 Avg per Attempt
7 TDs

13 total catches for 83 total yards

Total Yardage:
182 Plays for 812 Yards
4.5 Avg per play

2020 (9 Games)
115 Atts for 517 Yards
12.78 Att/G for 57.44 Yards/Game
4.5 Avg per Attempt
3 TDs

19 total catches for 130 total yards
1 TD

Total Yardage:
134 Plays for 647 Yards
4.8 Avg per play

Overall IP was just as productive rushing and much more productive receiving.
Arguably it was his best year overall.
Everyone wants Langon/Vedral/Young/Adams rushing more - well that means less rushes overall for IP.
 
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SBP

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Wow. This really didn't age well.
So, if you think Pacheco is the same runner then that he is now when I posted this you don't know football. He was a tad slower, did not hit holes well, and was running around the line more than thru it. Those are the facts. Nice try, genius.
 

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So, if you think Pacheco is the same runner then that he is now when I posted this you don't know football. He was a tad slower, did not hit holes well, and was running around the line more than thru it. Those are the facts. Nice try, ge

So, if you think Pacheco is the same runner then that he is now when I posted this you don't know football. He was a tad slower, did not hit holes well, and was running around the line more than thru it. Those are the facts. Nice try, genius.
Sure, double down on your misguided hot take. Then throw a disparaging comment or two. It's a good look.
 

RUBOB72

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He is at least consistent when disparaging Rutgers , current staff , players , decisions etc. We have many who post and then will tell you that’s not true.
 

yesrutgers01

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Ouch.
You got any old posts by that guy in regards to Logan Ryan's or the McCourtys' shortcomings ?

Nothing better to do than dredge up 3 year old threads to try to win internet points?
I am wondering why he also called out this one specific poster. While we all loved IP- like a lot of our NFL players, we had a good number of fans pretty much questioning how IP may do on an NFL team. And certainly, a few saying he had no shot at being drafted and most likely UDFA...
 

RUref

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Nothing better to do than dredge up 3 year old threads to try to win internet points?
Points, schmoints. Could care less. Pacheco is one of our best, and most prominent alums. He's been topical, because of his recent injury status. I remembered somebody dogging him, while he was here, so I looked out of curiosity. Searched 'Pacheco', and there it was.

As to nothing better to do? That would likely be somebody who makes 30,000 posts on a stinking college football forum. That guy must REALLY have nothing better to do. Of course, if this is your site, if you profit from it, 'ah salut'!
 
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