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Hawkeye89

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Drake almost had the clinching takedown. Ryder Block was in on Van Ness multiple times. Kueter didn't finish, but got in on the legs. All of them had chances, just didn't finish.
Here’s the problem, we have guys that can get to legs, not finishing shots has been
A theme for quite some time within this program, to me this falls on coaching. Two things that stood out to me in last nights dual. Penn state is so much better at creating angles to score, secondly when they get in on their shot, they finish at a way higher rate than our program has ever dreamed of. Again this falls on coaching in my opinion, the style and tactics are outdated, and it’s time for a change.
 

grapplefan

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I don't get the hate for Taylor other than he wrestled for PSU. Guy is business. Great family man, high character and total world class wrestler. Watch the documentary on him.
Olympic Gold, 3 time world champion, 1 time silver and 1 time bronze. Did the bronze as head coach at OSU.
I'm always amazed at how I don't like certain wrestlers only because they competed against us then I actually research them and listen to them speak. Most of these guys are VERY high character guys and are unbelievable human beings.
Taylor is one of them.
Nope. Not the guy. Besides, he's now a Poke, so it's a moot point. This DT-to-Wrestletown talk is all fantasy.
 

grapplefan

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I've posted before on Bo Nicol, I've met him twice. His ******* thing is a game, it's for his opponents. When dealing with fans he is soo humble and gracious. I've seen him take pics and sign until no one was left. 45 minutes both times. Hugging kids, signing everything they wanted. He made sure both times all fans had autographs and selfies that wanted them. It wasn't self serving either, he's just a pretty good guy. I sat beside him at National duals in Nicevile.
He's a great guy when dealing with fans. Opponents, not so much. Lol
Pretending to be d*ck makes him a d*ck.
 
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I feel bad for Bob. This is what his money buys?!? Dude if youre this willing to throw money away I could use a 40-80 acre tract for some hunting.
Now imagine how bad it would be WITHOUT Bob’s support. Last night there would be no Peterson, Bailey, Williams, or Caliendo (and this is ignoring the NIL dollars that surely helped land #1 P4P guys like Ferrari and Keuter).
 

AndreTheHawk

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Drake almost had the clinching takedown. Ryder Block was in on Van Ness multiple times. Kueter didn't finish, but got in on the legs. All of them had chances, just didn't finish.
Ryder Block wrestled well IMO. The mat clinching sequence he was in good shape, until he wasn't. 🙂 And that's largely because Iowa tends to not chain wrestle and/or finish .........quickly. PSU does and that's the biggest difference how they perform offensively, on the norm and last night in particular IMO.

Yes, PSU up and down the lineup has better recruits than anybody they will face, and Iowa had multiple chances to win competitive matches last night but failed to capitalize when it really mattered most. Which shouldn't shock anybody that watches them in recent years. Offensively this team collectively is a shell of it's former self. Caliendo and Patrick Kennedy "bring it" pretty often, the rest of the lineup is meh. On their feet or on the mat.

The lack of 1st period takedowns not just in this dual, but any dual where we wrestle a team with a pulse is STUNNING.

I would go as far to say IF Dan Gable were Coaching at Iowa this year, this lopsided dual would have been tight to the end. His guys tended to finish when it mattered most (and yes, he had better talent across the board, but this Iowa Team isn't full of puds, there are some pretty accomplished guys we're sending out there)

I also can't help but think how Tom and Terry Brands feel inside as they watch their guys struggle to record 1 F'ing takedown. These guys were maulers, and everything they did was 100% aggression, no matter who they faced. But at the end of the day, this is their product, and it's stale as hell.

I don't consider myself one of those entitled fans (certainly not a casual) that thinks Iowa should win Nationals every year in today's landscape especially (Thank You Bob Nicolls!), but I do think they should have a puncher's chance every year and frankly they aren't close to that way too often. (aside from 2021 and COVID robbed of us another, seems like a LONG time ago - and the years before that.......not so great either)

As much as I loved the Brands and Jimmy Zalesky as Iowa Wrestlers, I was fully on board when Zalesky was let go, because the product was stale. It wasn't acceptable then and it's not acceptable now.

I'm also not one to worry about incoming recruits and whether they'll come without the Brands. Iowa Wrestling will be a destination choice for a long time yet IMO, and whoever the next guy is will get his share of studs, I have little doubt about that. It's been built, they will come.

Tom Brands has made a lot of money, and we all know he bleeds black and gold. Been a great wrestler and a pretty damn good Coach overall. With that said, I don't think this should come down to Beth Goetz. As much as it saddens me, I think he should step down for the good of Iowa Wrestling. Sorry, I just do.

Whomever that next guy(s) is, between him and Taylor at Okie State, maybe they can put a chink in the PSU armor. Let's find out.
 

Tiltman

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Now imagine how bad it would be WITHOUT Bob’s support. Last night there would be no Peterson, Bailey, Williams, or Caliendo (and this is ignoring the NIL dollars that surely helped land #1 P4P guys like Ferrari and Keuter).
I’d rather he invest in my hunting land other than watching whatever that was last night. How many of those guys you listed won last night?? Just like the Brands, Bob is replaceable.
 

grapplefan

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Guy made a mistake, apologized and moved on.
With all the crap going on I don't think it should be a disqualifier. Prostitution should be legal anyway imo.
Never hired one but believe that one should own their own body. Bunch of crusty **** old men telling what people can do with their bodies, I don't like it.
Sorry, I know that's probably best on the OT board. Since it's brought up here I responded.
I didn't hear much of an apology. You like human trafficking? That's what happens when you legitimize prostitution. It's not the women's fault so much as it's the johns. Offer vulnerable people some money and they'll do nearly anything. Bunch of people that want to win so badly that they'll justify anything that can be sold.
 
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1. Askren hates Iowa wrestling
2. Dude just had a double lung transplant, his road ahead will never lead to coaching. No way he is ever more than adviser.

Nolf has club in Austin, not sure what Dake is going to do, dont see Boroughs leaving Nebby. Those are the 3 names that should be top of the list.

Realistic plan is gut everyone but Tom and bring in new assistants. KemDawg would be the only recent Hawk I'd bring back.
Askren hates Iowa wrestling?

We’re no fans of PSU wrestling but I promise we would love it if 5 or 6 of their starters transferred to Iowa tomorrow. Put people in different scenarios and it’s funny how those feelings change.
 

redghost1974

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Askren hates Iowa wrestling?

We’re no fans of PSU wrestling but I promise we would love it if 5 or 6 of their starters transferred to Iowa tomorrow. Put people in different scenarios and it’s funny how those feelings change.
Maybe he just hates Brands or just the TnT way? He will never be a full time coach again with his physical condition now. His mindset is the right one and I'd love to get a pipeline to his kids. Ben is good for wrestling and I hope the best for him.
 

Cstroke

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I never thought Ben hated Iowa, he just hasn't liked the product that they are putting on the mat.. He's been openly critical of how tight these guys wrestle. The offensive mind set isn't where he thinks it needs to be.. Its hard to argue with him on this.
 

heldyhawk606

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Maybe he just hates Brands or just the TnT way? He will never be a full time coach again with his physical condition now. His mindset is the right one and I'd love to get a pipeline to his kids. Ben is good for wrestling and I hope the best for him.
question is whether the expectation is that he needs to be able to physically roll with the athletes anymore? I would contend that Ben is smart enough to use the resources available - assistants, HWC athletes, etc. - to train the team and be effective.
 
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Askren hates Iowa wrestling?

We’re no fans of PSU wrestling but I promise we would love it if 5 or 6 of their starters transferred to Iowa tomorrow. Put people in different scenarios and it’s funny how those feelings change.
He doesn’t hate Iowa. He hates the current Iowa style which in his view is push, never shoot until the last 30 seconds and beg for stall calls. He also thinks Iowa is terrible at scrambling.
 

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What exactly are you saying here? That they are the best two candidates? Or they are the best out of candidates that would want the job? I think we need to go for someone with a bigger name/ credentials than those two but that’s just me.
I think they are the best 2 that could turn us around and be great hires
 

Hawkeye89

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I think they are the best 2 that could turn us around and be great hires
Schwab certainly has done some things with little to no resources at UNI, however in my opinion we need to go outside the Iowa ties approach on this one. Metcalf we know what he is and he wouldn’t be bad but I think we can do better.

JB, Dake, Askren, and Brian Snyder would be among the list of people to call. Casey Cunningham would be a home run hire but I think there is zero chance he leaves Penn state, certainly have to make that call though.

I think whoever the next coach is needs to be someone that can connect with this day and age of wrestlers, teach better attacks/offense, look for more ways to score, understand training/ getting guys to peak at the right time, and someone who can obviously recruit/ attract top level talent. All areas which the current regime have failed at one away another over the past several years.
 

Mattski

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It was a mistake to hire M*. He Had no offense when he wrestled.
If you think recruiting has been lacking under the current staff, it would have been exponentially worse without Morningstar (unless whoever was on staff instead was much better at it). The recruiting failures certainly aren't on him from what I've seen and been told.
If you're blaming your #3 assistant for style and development failures you're also ignoring the elephant in the room. TnT are the ones who should be leading style expectations and development, not your 3rd assistant.
It's crazy we have a team of wrestlers that in no way resemble the style of the two lead coaches. Never in a million years did I think that would be possible.
 

baltimorened

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I think that’s the essence of a lot of the frustration. It’s not just losing, it’s how they lose. When it’s 2-4 heading into the third period and the match feels out of reach, there’s a problem
this might not make you feel any better but the team that wrestled for Penn State had only one senior at 174. Plus they have Tyler Kasack an all American that is redshirting - he was replaced this year by Duke, a freshman.
 

redghost1974

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question is whether the expectation is that he needs to be able to physically roll with the athletes anymore? I would contend that Ben is smart enough to use the resources available - assistants, HWC athletes, etc. - to train the team and be effective.
I have no idea how well his recovery is going, but just showing up to practice, meets, pressers, and NCAA's require a kind of physical presence that might be too much. He has a lot to offer the sport, but not at risk of his health.
 

heldyhawk606

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If you think recruiting has been lacking under the current staff, it would have been exponentially worse without Morningstar (unless whoever was on staff instead was much better at it). The recruiting failures certainly aren't on him from what I've seen and been told.
If you're blaming your #3 assistant for style and development failures you're also ignoring the elephant in the room. TnT are the ones who should be leading style expectations and development, not your 3rd assistant.
It's crazy we have a team of wrestlers that in no way resemble the style of the two lead coaches. Never in a million years did I think that would be possible.
Back to evolution of the programs - if his main benefit to the Iowa program is recruiting, and now there is staff flexibility to create additional positions to accommodate consultants for just that, let him do that, and open up the in room coach position for new blood, ideas. but again that ship looks to have sailed.
 
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For years I was the outsider saying I did not like having the Brands and that their style - coaching and recruiting - was obsolete. It’s weird to have this much company.

However, I disagree that Spencer is the answer. He simply is not a leader - and I’ve heard him say it himself. Of our former wrestlers, I think Kemdawg has the most potential. Maybe the pair of them would work, with Lee as the face of the program and helping with recruiting.
SL is a silent leader, a lead by example and that works as an athlete and when there’s other guys to be the voice like Kem. But as a coach you gotta be able to be heard by all and i just don’t know SL is that type. SL seems like an AD type.
 
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How bout making Desanto in charge of conditioning. He may not have been the most technical guy but he was one crazed conditioned SOB and his motor broke a lot of top guys. Iowa might not get the most technical or athletic guys but dammit it’d be nice for guys to see the Iowa singlet and question their own gas tank right away.
Another crazy SOB that has skin in the game soon in Iowa succeeding, Mocco. He’s well known, has sons succeeding and connected to recruits we’d want. Mentality and physicality for the upper weights would be nice, not sure what Telford is helping with currently besides making phone calls.
 

dtripp26

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I've posted before on Bo Nicol, I've met him twice. His ******* thing is a game, it's for his opponents. When dealing with fans he is soo humble and gracious. I've seen him take pics and sign until no one was left. 45 minutes both times. Hugging kids, signing everything they wanted. He made sure both times all fans had autographs and selfies that wanted them. It wasn't self serving either, he's just a pretty good guy. I sat beside him at National duals in Nicevile.
He's a great guy when dealing with fans. Opponents, not so much. Lol
Why are we talking about that clown?
 

DuckUnder

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Need to hire Bo Bassetts dad as HC, bring Bachmanns dad as Assistant, get Steve Mocco to run HWC, get knoxs dad to run security, get Blaze dad to recruit, hire Messenbrink dad as AD, Barr's dad to scoop the carver cones... then iowa would be back on the map... or mat
 

Anon1736006158

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Need to hire Bo Bassetts dad as HC, bring Bachmanns dad as Assistant, get Steve Mocco to run HWC, get knoxs dad to run security, get Blaze dad to recruit, hire Messenbrink dad as AD, Barr's dad to scoop the carver cones... then iowa would be back on the map... or mat
How does Tom's *** taste?