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What's everyone's take on the latest chapter of the Trials and Tribulations of Patrick Reed, who was viewed by some/many to have stretched the embedded ball rule on Saturday at Torrey Pines ?? I'm well aware that most regular players of the game will tend to opine against Reed; in this case, largely because most of his past problems have been self-created.

 
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What's everyone's take on the latest chapter of the Trials and Tribulations of Patrick Reed, who was viewed by some/many to have stretched the embedded ball rule on Saturday at Torrey Pines ?? I'm well aware that most regular players of the game will tend to opine against Reed; in this case, largely because most of his past problems have been self-created.


I read an article, I don’t see what he did was wrong. He engaged the Marshalls, competition, and rules officials before doing it. How is that wrong? Reportedly, I think it was Rory, did it as well and didn’t even discuss it the same as Reed did.
 

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What's everyone's take on the latest chapter of the Trials and Tribulations of Patrick Reed, who was viewed by some/many to have stretched the embedded ball rule on Saturday at Torrey Pines ?? I'm well aware that most regular players of the game will tend to opine against Reed; in this case, largely because most of his past problems have been self-created.


That guy is a winner. He's an *******, but he's a winner.

I don't think he did anything wrong over the weekend. He sure as **** has cheated in the past, imo. And I think he deserves the extra scrutiny the rest of his years.
 

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I read an article, I don’t see what he did was wrong. He engaged the Marshalls, competition, and rules officials before doing it. How is that wrong? Reportedly, I think it was Rory, did it as well and didn’t even discuss it the same as Reed did.

Actually, I'm not sure that's true, which I thought was the basis for much of the controversy.....though I don't know that for a fact (and I admit to not having seen it live).
 

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What I truthfully don't know is if he really did stretch the rule......though I don't get the initial impression too many are coming out and actually saying he flat cheated.......or it's just that he's less likely to get the benefit of the doubt from folks who really care about this kind of thing (meaning serious golf fans) given his history.
 

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What I truthfully don't know is if he really did stretch the rule......though I don't get the initial impression too many are coming out and actually saying he flat cheated.......or it's just that he's less likely to get the benefit of the doubt from folks who really care about this kind of thing (meaning serious golf fans) given his history.
Neither he, nor his playing partners, saw the ball bounce. It disappeared once it hit the ground, from their POV. He walked up and asked the marshall if it bounced, she said no and he informed his playing partners. At that point, he was free to take relief. Anything and everything after is kind of filler that is being scrutinized because of who he is and his past.
 

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OK, here's what is usually done. If youthink it's embedded, you mark it and leave it. Tell your playing partner's that you are going to check. If you think it is, you call one over and let them check. If they think it is, you are entitled to lift, clean and drop as near as possible to the original spot. If your playing partner disagrees, you can call for a rules official for a ruling. On the PGA tour, things are a little different. Truthfully, he should have marked the ball, lifted and checked and then replaced it and called for a ruling. Ken Tackett spoke at the Va/Carolina matches at the Greenbrier in Oct. He took questions and one question was about Reed and being an *******. He was in a difficult spot. Tackett said he did nothing wrong but most everybody thought he should have left it in the spot and called for a ruling.
 

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Neither he, nor his playing partners, saw the ball bounce. It disappeared once it hit the ground, from their POV. He walked up and asked the marshall if it bounced, she said no and he informed his playing partners. At that point, he was free to take relief. Anything and everything after is kind of filler that is being scrutinized because of who he is and his past.
Not true, he is only entitled to relief if embedded. You have to mark it, lift it, check for it being in an indentation.
 

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Not true, he is only entitled to relief if embedded. You have to mark it, lift it, check for it being in an indentation.
It is true. That's what the PGA rules official said yesterday, based on the rules in place for that round. They should Rory doing exactly what I described.
 

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It is true. That's what the PGA rules official said yesterday, based on the rules in place for that round. They should Rory doing exactly what I described.
I think you misunderstood what Ken said. You have to mark it, doesn't matter if it bounced or not, if it's not in it's own pitch mark, you don't get relief. That part wasn't even addressed. If you listened the next day, all the guys said he should not have removed it before calling the rules official over. Reed needs to follow the rules to the letter. VJ Singh rehabbed his persona after being accused of heating.
 

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I think you misunderstood what Ken said. You have to mark it, doesn't matter if it bounced or not, if it's not in it's own pitch mark, you don't get relief. That part wasn't even addressed. If you listened the next day, all the guys said he should not have removed it before calling the rules official over. Reed needs to follow the rules to the letter. VJ Singh rehabbed his persona after being accused of heating.
That is not what the rules guy said on the broadcast yesterday, at all. Only had to reasonably believe it was in it's own pitchmark.
 

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That is not what the rules guy said on the broadcast yesterday, at all. Only had to reasonably believe it was in it's own pitchmark.
He really should never have picked it up without notifying his playing partners. It's his reputation that is his problem. Ken was diplomatic in the question at the Greenbrier and he was there yesterday. You are supposed to leave the ball and call over your playing partner. Most of the time, we just walk over and say,"yeah, go ahead."
 

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He really should never have picked it up without notifying his playing partners. It's his reputation that is his problem. Ken was diplomatic in the question at the Greenbrier and he was there yesterday. You are supposed to leave the ball and call over your playing partner. Most of the time, we just walk over and say,"yeah, go ahead."
Rory should have too? How many others that e didn't get to see took relief?

“It was reasonable for both players to conclude — based on the fact that they did not see the ball land, but given the lie of the ball in soft course conditions — that they proceed as the rule allows for a potential embedded ball.”

Might people call over others in their group? Sure, but not needed. It seems they discussed none of the players seeing it bounced. He asked the marshall and relayed the info to his playing partners.
 

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Rory should have too? How many others that e didn't get to see took relief?

“It was reasonable for both players to conclude — based on the fact that they did not see the ball land, but given the lie of the ball in soft course conditions — that they proceed as the rule allows for a potential embedded ball.”

Might people call over others in their group? Sure, but not needed. It seems they discussed none of the players seeing it bounced. He asked the marshall and relayed the info to his playing partners.
If you watched the next day, every player found fault with how he did it. It's not the acceptable way most of them or us do. They all said, mark it, lift and look to see if there's mud, I'm not sure that mud makes a difference Flado, or if it's embedded. If it is, tell you playing partner it's embedded and I'm going to take relief under the embedded ball rule. Now, if you have a reputation like Reed, it's best you dot the i's and cross the t's. His one mistake was removing the ball, I'm not sure why he would do that. There are rules officials everywhere on Tour. It's not the same at the am level.
 

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Rory should have too? How many others that e didn't get to see took relief?

“It was reasonable for both players to conclude — based on the fact that they did not see the ball land, but given the lie of the ball in soft course conditions — that they proceed as the rule allows for a potential embedded ball.”

Might people call over others in their group? Sure, but not needed. It seems they discussed none of the players seeing it bounced. He asked the marshall and relayed the info to his playing partners.
Roy hasn't been accused of cheating or stealing stuff from his college teammates. FYI, whether a ball bounces or not, it still has to be embedded. It could have come outof it's own pitchmark. That's why you tell your partners you are checking to make sure
1. It's your ball
2. If it's embedded.

Not seeing the ball bounce shouldn't even be considered. I'll text Ken and see if he'll answer me, I doubt he wants to get involved in this, he didn't really want to talk about Reed, either.
 

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Rory should have too? How many others that e didn't get to see took relief?

“It was reasonable for both players to conclude — based on the fact that they did not see the ball land, but given the lie of the ball in soft course conditions — that they proceed as the rule allows for a potential embedded ball.”

Might people call over others in their group? Sure, but not needed. It seems they discussed none of the players seeing it bounced. He asked the marshall and relayed the info to his playing partners.
Remember, it's up the everybody to protect the field. If Reed says he needs to take relief, one of his playing partners is supposed to check to make sure he's not taking advantage of a rule.
 

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Stop being a *****. Play it where it lies.

He knew it wasn't embedded. Bounce or no bounce.
 

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He's a prick and he's cheated before. Dude cut his family out of his life.
I’ve cut some of my family out of my life. Definitely don’t subscribe to that blood is thicker than water ********.

How has he cheated and what makes him a prick?
 

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I’ve cut some of my family out of my life. Definitely don’t subscribe to that blood is thicker than water ********.

How has he cheated and what makes him a prick?
Some is understandable....all?

Improving his lie in the sand a few years ago (used his club to remove sand from behind his ball). What makes him a prick? Not sure that's answerable. He rubs fellow competitors the wrong way. I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm not sure Tiger was well liked in his prime.
 

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Some is understandable....all?

Improving his lie in the sand a few years ago (used his club to remove sand from behind his ball). What makes him a prick? Not sure that's answerable. He rubs fellow competitors the wrong way. I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm not sure Tiger was well liked in his prime.
Gotcha, ok.
 

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Wasn't he also kicked off the team at Georgia? Stealing clubs or something?
I thought it was stereo equipment or something like that. He was asked to leave Georgia, transferred to Augusta State. Kevin Kisner said nobody would piss on him if he was on fire on either Georgia or Augusta State. The incident in the bunker, I think it was a bunker you could ground your club but he moved stuff around with it. A clear penalty.
 

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Tackett said on the broadcast that Reed should have called over an official first and not lifted his ball beforehand. Reed told Golf Channel he lifted the ball before calling a Rules official over for “pace of play purposes.”


“So what a lot of the players do, as well as what I always do, is when you sit there and whether it’s an embedded ball or whether it’s a sprinkler head or anything, whenever we’re taking relief, we mark it and we check to see if it’s embedded first,” Reed said to reporter Todd Lewis. “Because if you lift it and you put your finger down and it’s flat down there, then you’re like, OK, the ball’s not embedded, you place the ball back as it lied and then you proceed on.
“If you sit there and you mark it or if you don’t mark it and you wait for a Rules official, it doesn’t help for pace of play purposes for groups, whether they’re behind you or you’re keeping up with the group in front of you. So a lot of the times, the main procedure that I’ve always done is, as well as what a lot of the other players do is they mark the ball to check first and if they feel that it is broken, they either go ahead and take the relief or they call over a Rules official, which, with the Rules of Golf, I always call over a Rules official.”
After his round, Reed was called into the scoring tent and watched a replay of the incident with senior tournament director John Mutch. Reed told CBS’ Amanda Balionis that Mutch told him that “what just transpired was textbook.”
“I wanted to know if he saw the ball bounce and neither he nor his fellow competitors saw the ball bounce,” Mutch said in his own press conference. “It’s pretty clear watching the video that he got to within 10 yards of the ball and asked the volunteer who was standing right there, ‘Did it bounce?’ and the volunteer said it did not bounce. So it was reasonable for him to conclude that that was his ball, it did not bounce and he was then entitled to see if it was embedded.”
But could Reed’s ball actually have bounced and re-embedded? Tackett said that was his interpretation.
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“Obviously it jumped forward there, but in these soft conditions, the rough is, as we’ve all walked around here, you will occasionally get a ball that will impact and embed on its initial impact and then slightly impact and imbed on the second,” Tackett said on the broadcast. “When Brad Fabel came in, he looked at the scenario and the situation and identified that the ball had actually embedded in that second pitch mark.”
“OK, that’s the official line because as you can imagine the rest of the world is screaming at that one,” analyst Nick Faldo said on the broadcast.
“The optics are not good,” announcer Jim Nantz added.
 

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The first thing that has been left out is to identify your ball and make sure it's yours.
 

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Reed is a POS

He may win, and he may have helped the Ryder Cup team...
but the game of golf doesnt need people like him.

He is better suited to a club scramble.
 

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Reed is a POS

He may win, and he may have helped the Ryder Cup team...
but the game of golf doesnt need people like him.

He is better suited to a club scramble.
He didn't help in France. Terrible teammate. He hitched about losing Spieth to Justin Thomas but got tiger instead. He will never be a captain's pick but will earn his way on because he's good. He has time to rehabilitate himself cause he really didn't cheat Saturday
 

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He didn't help in France. Terrible teammate. He hitched about losing Spieth to Justin Thomas but got tiger instead. He will never be a captain's pick but will earn his way on because he's good. He has time to rehabilitate himself cause he really didn't cheat Saturday
By the letter...he did not.
But golf is a gentleman's game. Its as much about integrity as it is competition. After all, you are playing against the course and yourself. It is up to YOU to follow the rules. (... I know I need not tell YOU that of all people...but I am on a roll. LOL!)
Rehabbing himself is not an option, because the dumbass is arrogant enough to believe he does nothing wrong.
Contrition is not something he is capable of.

He could win every tournament for eternity.
But he is still an piece of sh*t as a human being.
 

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By the letter...he did not.
But golf is a gentleman's game. Its as much about integrity as it is competition. After all, you are playing against the course and yourself. It is up to YOU to follow the rules. (... I know I need not tell YOU that of all people...but I am on a roll. LOL!)
Rehabbing himself is not an option, because the dumbass is arrogant enough to believe he does nothing wrong.
Contrition is not something he is capable of.

He could win every tournament for eternity.
But he is still an piece of sh*t as a human being.
And then they showed Roy doing basically the same thing. Nobody said a word.
 

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No one likes Fatrick Reed. Give me DJ any day of the week.
And people don't know how much trouble that DJ was actually in when he was growing up. He was far worse than Reed. Gun he owned was used in a robbery right after he got off probation for some ****.