Edit: I see this was posted deeper on another thread. Wonder if NU has a shot. Would be a low-key nice get by Collins.
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Paul Mulcahy decides tomorrow
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Edit: I see this was posted deeper on another thread. Wonder if NU has a shot. Would be a low-key nice get by Collins.
Or “ chose to.” Either way, very consistent with my initial scouting report that addressed reservations about both his maturity and his game. That’s reservations, not condemnations. Wish the kid the best...wherever he ends up.
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Correct. One of only a few times I have seen enough on court behavior to express reservations about it. Maybe you know how to pull up the original thread. I don't. But it's all there. Including the not so nice shots I took from other posters.
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This one?: https://northwestern.forums.rivals.com/threads/nu-offers-2019-rivals250-guard.36737/#post-493475
Seems like a stretch to call a kid “potentially high maintenance” based on a tape review.
Yep. That's the one.
40+ years of playing, coaching and scouting the game doesn't make it a stretch at all. Its' rare. But sometimes justified. A must part of any credible evaluation. And, as I emphasized, just something to investigate further beyond the tape.
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That's interesting and I believe true. Coaches obviously look at the physical traits and performance, but character is also an important part of the evaluation (excluding SEC teams).
Seems odd that an academic issue would pop up this late in the evaluation-offer-commitment process. Not questioning your post Haywood. Just strikes me as odd that we would get this far with a non-qualifier. Maybe an unexpected snafu on Mulcahy's part? Maybe he was borderline all along and recent test scores/grades didn't satisfy Admissions?
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Hmm... NU staffs usually do pretty good homework on the academic side. Disappointing.
Don’t feel like that an excuse for not doing your homework, especially when basketball recruits a MUCH smaller universe of prospects.
No. Haywood already said they pulled off when it was clear he wouldn’t get accepted. Are they not supposed to recruit anyone that’s borderline when it comes to admissions? Good grief...
Probably best not to offer until/unless you think a kid will get through admissions. There’s a pretty well-established protocol.
Nearly every school uses conditional offers dependent on admissions. That’s nothing new...
Really V-Cat? I thought you had more sense than to provoke an argument where none exists ... and to otherwise be so certain about something you know nothing about.
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if that were the case NU would not have about 6 current roster players on the team. the staff can feel confident, and administrators can petition. sometimes the answer in the end is still no from admissions.
What are you talking about? The issue was academics and had nothing to do with him being high maintenance. In your words, why are you pretending to “be so certain about something you know nothing about“? Haywood has already shot that down...
Nobody ever suggested high maintenance potential was a factor in Mulcahy either coming or not coming to NU. I am the only one who mentioned the issue. And I thought it was nothing more than worthy of follow up during the evaluation process.
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But not every school has the academic requirements we have at Northwestern, which necessitates additional diligence on the prospect himself and work with the Admissions office to ensure that you're not offering a kid who will eventually not meet requirements.
And then by then, you're out of the running...
Well established protocol? Under the Carmody and Walker regimes perhaps?
MOAR!!!
I mean in terms of a staff's receipt and review of transcripts, plus steps to take in collaboration with Admissions.
Sounds like they probably did the work, and thought he was worth going after, but at the end of the day, they aren't Admissions and this was an exceptional case where things didn't go the way they thought it would. And perhaps, as soon as it became clear, they backed off.
I like Collins being more aggressive on this front as long as it doesn't pull us away from other targets of equal calibre on the court that would be higher probabilities.
I don't think the issue is with the coaching staff or the recruits....it's with NU admissions.
An NU dean told me that nearly every revenue sport student-athlete is an academic exception. Each and every one gets deliberated.
The coaches are looking at transcripts before offering and if they thought there was no way the kid would get in, they wouldn't offer. But it's not like Illinois or MSU or OSU or Rutgers where you know if you offer and the kid accepts, admissions is going to let the kid in.
Same thing happened with Carmody. I remember when he offered that European kid who was playing on Olah's high school team....big shooting guard....he committed and then NU told him would not be admitted.
An NU dean told me that nearly every revenue sport student-athlete is an academic exception. Each and every one gets deliberated.
The coaches are looking at transcripts before offering and if they thought there was no way the kid would get in, they wouldn't offer. But it's not like Illinois or MSU or OSU or Rutgers where you know if you offer and the kid accepts, admissions is going to let the kid in.
Same thing happened with Carmody. I remember when he offered that European kid who was playing on Olah's high school team....big shooting guard....he committed and then NU told him would not be admitted.
That's on the coaches. There's not a ton that could have changed since we offered on 1/25/2018 and the whole staff visited on 4/18/2018.
That's very true, but it's also on the coaches to make sure that the proper prospects are offered and that they're working with Admissions if there's ever a question.
Dang! Very tough school! Not for everyone and not sure the effort to get in is merited. Some of the most close minded people I have ever seen were doctors, traders,lawyers, teachers, and the like. The very types of degrees that NU has produced, like a factory mill, for years. An open mind is an intelligent mind! Where there is a fortune, there is a crime. Where there is a hero, there is a tragedy. Oscar Wilde and Honore de Balzac. The real test of a man is his work with his mind,especially later in life. Just saw Paul Anka last year. Passionate guy. Herman Hesse wrote well into his 80’s. My heroes.
Nonsense. Many reasons why the staff may have chosen to back off before Haywood clarified the situation. You chose one completely out of context and ran with it.
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There are many borderline cases. Most recent ACT was beginning of April, and SAT was beginning of May. Could've made a difference.
Maybe the young fella was reluctant to keep taking SAT or ACT (possibly both) until qualifying
score achieved? What are you going to do but move on? Northwestern is not for everyone.......
score achieved? What are you going to do but move on? Northwestern is not for everyone.......
And yet you chose to zero in on his maturity and being high maintenance when you had no real knowledge of the situation. To me, it was very unfair.
Three lies in one sentence. All used to support in words you are familiar with ... a gem of a snowflake fairness opinion.
I always stand by my scouting reports and am not afraid to go against the grain based on what I see on film. Very happy to revisit the Mulcahy story down the road.
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