Yes, and very badly. Does he still coach "his" match zone defense. He will never build anything that lasts.
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Yes, and very badly. Does he still coach "his" match zone defense. He will never build anything that lasts.
He won 3 games against top 15 teams...had a 10% winning percentage against top 25 teams...and last time I checked he lost by an average of 2 tds. He teams played confident against overmatched opponents, and like basket cases when NU was overmatched. He never had a decent qb, nor coherent offensive system...kind of wish we could blend frost and pelini...
I am not in anyway defending Pelini - I’m just not in favor of moving the goal posts with regards to wins and losses based on who the coach is - even if it is a former player.
Frost needs a couple of years but eventually 9 wins but no conf championships - or blowouts in big games should be met with the same vitriol. As I posted earlier if you give a pass on the first year for a coaching change, Pelini played in the conf championship game 3 of 7 years.
yes -- he was abysmal. But right now we have a long way to go to even suit up for a meaningful game.
Pelini got fired for his behavior not for the on field results. If Frost has the same record as Pelini he is never on the hot seat
The goal posts has never been 9 games. The goal has been winning percentage. Osborne never had fewer than 9 wins. However, that was a different time. Apples and Oranges type of thing. There are more games played in a season these days. I would say that you'd need to average 10 regular season wins in this day and age to be comparable to Osborne, as far as consistency.
Bo>Bill>Mike. We have had quite the run of coaching when Pelini is the head of the class. This team is going to need a lot of time to correct, but I believe in Frost. Mike Riley is just awful. Can’t believe anyone would hire that incompetent boob.
Hence making the point you were arguing against: You can be a dick or lose but you can't do both. I think we all realize what "lose" means in this context. It means losing big games.
"Moving goalposts" is probably the silliest argument I've ever heard. First, why is bad to move the goalposts? Second, circumstances drive decisions and if you have some pristine idea of "fairness", then it only applies when circumstances are the same. Name one transition from Solich through Frost where circumstances were the same?
Pelini benefited from 4 OOC games plus the B12 North. The B1G West isn't great, but definitely better than the B12 North. The three patsy OOC games plus, ISU, Kstate, and Kansas every year. Colorado wasn't very good either back then. Pelini's teams were looking less competitive every year after we joined the B1G. He was never going to cut it.
Good riddance to Bo. Frost is the first coach since Osborne that is actually wanted by other P5 programs. Let that sink in.
Gundy would kick Herman's behind to Kingdom come. He ought to be glad the officials held him back.
I don't think the numbers agree with that statement. NU played an average of 3-4 conference ranked opponents under Bo. In fact, they played 6 top 10 teams in 3 years. 10 of our 11 ranked opponents were Big 12. Bo had 5 unranked losses in the Big 12 and also 5 in the B1G with an extra year.
Our first year in the B1G was the toughest with 4 ranked B1G opponents including 2 in the 10 top. Over the next 3 years we played only 5 ranked B1G opponents and the highest was #10. 2 of them #20 or worse.
The B1G was a downgrade in quality opponents for Bo. He just slid further a lot faster than his competition. Bo's problems weren't the B1G, he simply didn't have the quality of players he had before. Whether that was due to Callahan recruiting, bad luck, bad coaching, or Bo's indifference to recruiting is another topic.
Things in the B1G have picked up the last 3 years of course, no denying that. But the B1G then is nothing like the B1G now.
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I hear ya. But being at 9 wins every year means you are one or 2 wins from a championship.....maybe you lose those games. But it means you are in it.
Don't you morons realize that Pelini is rumored to have yelled at a guy in the basement of a hotel one time??!!
Agree 100% I remember watching one of his last games at NU and he was wound up from the start and the game was still close, I told my wife we're going to lose simply because you could see the actions of his players we were toast before the second quarter.
Herman is extremely immature as this isn't his first episode. He's Pelini-esque (the Carl version) off the field as well.
Peelini had enough years to show he could get to the next level. Not one BCS bowl invite. Regular season is 12 wins now. So, no, 2 more wins would not get you a championship. Probably have to win 11 to get into the Playoffs. They'd still have to win their CCG and two playoffs to get a championship. That's 14 wins minimum, 15 if undefeated. So, 9 wins will not get you into the discussion. 10 wins, maybe... and you're going to need some help.'
My point being that in Osborne's day there were 11 regular season games and one bowl game. The MNC was decided by pollsters. Today, we play 12 regular season games, CCG and (to win it all) 2 playoff games. That equals 15 games. So, 12 games max in Osborne's day vs 15 games today. Why shouldn't the minimum be 10 wins?
I don't yell. Pelini is ruled by his emotions. He would do well to sleep on it. I realize that you are being facetious.
I dont think it's a small thing to yell and berate another man. I won't allow it personally.
I count 2 wins vs top 15 teams. 2010 vs Okie St
2011 vs Michigan St
Where's the 3rd?
Missouri was in the top 10, I think 8th in 2010..
When Roy Helu broke the rushing record that day...
Gotcha. I guess I count the final season rankings.
Mizzou was #7/#8 when we beat them, but finished #18. To me we didn't beat a top 15 team in Mizzou.
Right but what if you go 9-3 but win your division..One more win wins you a conference title.......
So that may get you one of the lessor BCS bowls, but not the playoffs. I guess it could be a stepping stone. I just think that 10 would be Osborne's standard. He'd be running his version of a spread offense and be dominating like he did back in the day.
Great defense/great offense....I am not sure Frosty knows what is going on with the d...and not sure we can win a championship without a top 20 defense.
The issue was Bo's ridiculous charade as an adult rubbed people the wrong way, including the media. Hell, my circle of friends...80 straight home games for me at one time, didn't even watch a game from 2012-2016...went back and watched some this year...those were some fun teams. You forget he lost multiple games with personal foul penalties, abused our freshman qb on national t.v, attacked a camera man after the big 12 championship, schemed to leave us for OSU, then had himself recorded berating the acknowledged most loyal fan base in the game, then he turned his players against the fans, and refused to improve or change his image...all the while forcing T.O to leave early because of all of the behind the scenes crap going on with his staff. I've been around him and his teams enough to know he was a good man, his players loved him, but he is emotionally very immature, and loyal to bad people for loyalties sake. Not the recipe for a leader, in fact he is the antithesis of a Frost or T.O...both who have extremely high emotional intelligence on top of very high intellect. Bo wasn't that and never will be. I would say Mike Riley is a symptom of Bo, Bo forced the firing at a time when our incompetent AD didn't have a backup plan, and therefore Eicwhore hired who he could to get the heat off of him...basically a cleansing soap to wash the program of Bo, except the soap left its own residue behind.
He's good buddies with the wife beater from his Ohio State days. Would close down the Titty Bars with him back when he was in Columbus
You might want to add that he grabbed him by the collar and slammed him up against a wall.......... The guy was a lunatic
Ummm no. He couldn't figure out how to stop Wisconsin's jet sweep what the heck do you think NFL OCs would do to him? Position coach where he doesn't have to do interviews would suit him just fine. After the way NU set him up he may just join Bobby Stoops in retirement.
Agreed. Sucking out loud at YSU is not a real solid path to the NFL.
I didn't say he'd be a good defensive coordinator. I said it would would be the best fit for him. He'll get close to a decade in Youngstown before he gets canned.
I know it seems counter-intuitive, but I am thankful we had Riley for the years we had him. It aligned the timing to get Frost some exposure and success at UCF - allowed him to get his feet wet before coming to the big program. It got all Husker fans on the same page that he was THE target when we got him vs. some were leery of his experience (or lack of) having never been a head coach before. Riley, though not a disciplinarian, I think did provide some lessons on class that the program was lacking.
I certainly don't wish he was here now, but I think the Riley years will end up being just as important as anything else in getting Nebraska where they are now.