Peptides

[Anon1751917054]

Controversial subject- Widely reported that MANY teams are using Peptides---and most are not NCAA approved. It seems that some teams have been way ahead of the curve and have been using for years-- and others have recently gotten "on board."

It also seems the NCAA doesn't really care about testing.

Do they make as big a difference as some think? I dont think most coaches are directly encouraging as they won't risk losing their job, but they are aware and the athletes have people behind the scenes helping them with Peptide selection, etc.

It's a HARD hell no from Iowa Staff-- and I can see why-- what are your thoughts?

 

[dicemen99]

Controversial subject- Widely reported that MANY teams are using Peptides---and most are not NCAA approved. It seems that some teams have been way ahead of the curve and have been using for years-- and others have recently gotten "on board."

It also seems the NCAA doesn't really care about testing.

Do they make as big a difference as some think? I dont think most coaches are directly encouraging as they won't risk losing their job, but they are aware and the athletes have people behind the scenes helping them with Peptide selection, etc.

It's a HARD hell no from Iowa Staff-- and I can see why-- what are your thoughts?

Please define "widely reported." It seems as if your definition differs from most.

NCAA does test. And they test for peptides. Not sure why you think they don't care. Maybe you're just confused (likely) and meant that wrestlers can avoid testing positive - short acting peptides have a very short window, while even the longer acting peptides are only detectable up to a month.

I'm not sure how controversial this is either. Peptides are banned by the NCAA, so anyone that pops a test will be ineligible.

 

[Crablegs1]

Please define "widely reported." It seems as if your definition differs from most.

NCAA does test. And they test for peptides. Not sure why you think they don't care. Maybe you're just confused (likely) and meant that wrestlers can avoid testing positive - short acting peptides have a very short window, while even the longer acting peptides are only detectable up to a month.

I'm not sure how controversial this is either. Peptides are banned by the NCAA, so anyone that pops a test will be ineligible.

Please describe the NCAA testing protocol?

 

[dicemen99]

Please describe the NCAA testing protocol?

I have friends and interact with a bunch of NCAA D1 wrestlers. I know several that have been pulled for a random pee test immediately after a match at conferences and NCAAs. If you don’t believe me (although it would be fairly easy to figure out how I’m involved in wrestling) I’m sure @Corby2 can chime in. Beyond that, excuse me if I haven’t experienced it myself.

 

[WhiteDog125]

I can assure you at least one team out east has been doing this and more for oh let’s say 15 years.

 

[el dub]

I can assure you at least one team out east has been doing this and more for oh let’s say 15 years.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Controversial subject- Widely reported that MANY teams are using Peptides---and most are not NCAA approved. It seems that some teams have been way ahead of the curve and have been using for years-- and others have recently gotten "on board."

It also seems the NCAA doesn't really care about testing.

Do they make as big a difference as some think? I dont think most coaches are directly encouraging as they won't risk losing their job, but they are aware and the athletes have people behind the scenes helping them with Peptide selection, etc.

It's a HARD hell no from Iowa Staff-- and I can see why-- what are your thoughts?

They work, what do you think Ozempic is? BPC 157 and TB 500 are very effective for helping to heal injuries for example.

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

I can assure you at least one team out east has been doing this and more for oh let’s say 15 years.

Treigning Lab

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

I can assure you at least one team out east has been doing this and more for oh let’s say 15 years.

I would bet that Ohio State got on board since last year.

 

[maxpain]

I’m not saying nobody is juicing in college wrestling, but accusing every team that beats Iowa of doing it just looks silly in my opinion.

I think there are definitely some individuals who have gotten away with it over the years, but there is no way there is something like a Russian state sponsored doping program going on at a school.

 

[Anon1751917054]

Lance Armstrong was only one doing blood doping also

And they tested extensively

 

[Crablegs1]

I have friends and interact with a bunch of NCAA D1 wrestlers. I know several that have been pulled for a random pee test immediately after a match at conferences and NCAAs. If you don’t believe me (although it would be fairly easy to figure out how I’m involved in wrestling) I’m sure @Corby2 can chime in. Beyond that, excuse me if I haven’t experienced it myself.

Only testing at conference or nationals is not a real testing program.

 

[AndEEss]

Only testing at conference or nationals is not a real testing program.

They also test at OTT, WTT, US Open, Worlds, etc.

USADA also conducts random screenings of athletes. U20 athletes included.

 

[kingstown]

The bigger question should be why is the NCAA so backward that legal substances are against the rules. Why not just let people do what they want? Peptides can improve health and speed injury recovery yet the NCAA hasn't figured out how to profit so they say no way.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Lance Armstrong was only one doing blood doping also

And they tested extensively

Yeah..... about lance lol

 

[JoeBagobagels]

The bigger question should be why is the NCAA so backward that legal substances are against the rules. Why not just let people do what they want? Peptides can improve health and speed injury recovery yet the NCAA hasn't figured out how to profit so they say no way.

Exactly . Once you realize that healthcare is in about healthcare but disease care, you'll get it. Seriously I've used peptides to help myself from some fairly serious injuries and they work well. And if you look one of the top selling drugs right now if not the top selling drug is a weight loss peptide.

Of you recall the show Billions there was a little piece in one episode about their weight loss struck and I believe what they said made me think it was a petiole.

it's ok if they profit from it, not if it decreases profits .

 

[WhiteDog125]

How anyone can still say psu isn’t an old Nebraska football level dirty program is beyond me.

 

[IRON HAWK]

How anyone can still say psu isn’t an old Nebraska football level dirty program is beyond me.

100% CORRECT but as I SIR IRON keeps telling you all. It is the MUCH B1GGER picture of what those POS are doing to the sport!!! BREAKING rules to build a program is never good!!! Doing it on SOOOOO many levels makes it MUCH worse!!!!

Again it has been proven that what I said about their wrestlers NEVER moving on to World and Olympic GOLD holds true!!! They have had ONE in Taylor who was not even a F*** st recruit and has moved on!!!!

2x 3x 4x and even a pathetic 5x ncaa champion- you would expect a lot of "noise" from all these wrestlers at Senior level right????? NOPE!!! because guess what???? The DRUG testing gets REAL!!!!! We shall see if Babblin, StarFish, KerKin etc.... do ANYTHING!!!! How about BoKnowSheeeet oh he went mma, what about that kid who put on 40 pounds and beat whats his face at heavy who was an O champion!?!?!?

What is he doing, RuffinaFord wasn't he a 3xer, who was that other kid at 184 who won 3????

IOWA has had Spencer Lee as of late who was on that level. INJUIRIES and all, you see what he has done!!!

I guess ALL the corruption in that state also applies in Low Lying Swamp Land TWOOOO!!!!

 

[Crablegs1]

They also test at OTT, WTT, US Open, Worlds, etc.

USADA also conducts random screenings of athletes. U20 athletes included.

I’m genuinely curious, how does that work for u20 testing? You’d have to be in a testing pool. How does one determine who is in the U20 testing pool? Is Melvin Miller in it? Is Angelo?

 

[JoeBagobagels]

How anyone can still say psu isn’t an old Nebraska football level dirty program is beyond me.

Oh lord, have you seen the recruits they get? And let's swing back to Iowa back in the day. Please.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

100% CORRECT but as I SIR IRON keeps telling you all. It is the MUCH B1GGER picture of what those POS are doing to the sport!!! BREAKING rules to build a program is never good!!! Doing it on SOOOOO many levels makes it MUCH worse!!!!

Again it has been proven that what I said about their wrestlers NEVER moving on to World and Olympic GOLD holds true!!! They have had ONE in Taylor who was not even a F*** st recruit and has moved on!!!!

2x 3x 4x and even a pathetic 5x ncaa champion- you would expect a lot of "noise" from all these wrestlers at Senior level right????? NOPE!!! because guess what???? The DRUG testing gets REAL!!!!! We shall see if Babblin, StarFish, KerKin etc.... do ANYTHING!!!! How about BoKnowSheeeet oh he went mma, what about that kid who put on 40 pounds and beat whats his face at heavy who was an O champion!?!?!?

What is he doing, RuffinaFord wasn't he a 3xer, who was that other kid at 184 who won 3????

IOWA has had Spencer Lee as of late who was on that level. INJUIRIES and all, you see what he has done!!!

I guess ALL the corruption in that state also applies in Low Lying Swamp Land TWOOOO!!!!

They have options these days and are now getting paid if you haven't been paying attention. Anthony Cassar is doing quite well in real estate. MMA pays more than Olympic gold also. why is Stevenson doing it? Who wasn't an Olympic champion when Cassar beat him twice. Gable was a true freshman back then.

Retherford? Has two young kids, his wife is running a day care center and he's still wrestling. Believe it or not these fellows often have businesses outside of the sport.

 

[ChicagoHawk2020]

They have options these days and are now getting paid if you haven't been paying attention. Anthony Cassar is doing quite well in real estate. MMA pays more than Olympic gold also. why is Stevenson doing it? Who wasn't an Olympic champion when Cassar beat him twice. Gable was a true freshman back then.

Retherford? Has two young kids, his wife is running a day care center and he's still wrestling. Believe it or not these fellows often have businesses outside of the sport.

We’re 2 days from 2026, and wrestling fans still call Gable “Stevenson”

 

[TheREALSpooner]

The bigger question should be why is the NCAA so backward that legal substances are against the rules. Why not just let people do what they want? Peptides can improve health and speed injury recovery yet the NCAA hasn't figured out how to profit so they say no way.

Is this why they are also banned by every major pro sport and in the Olympics? Because of that darn NCAA?

 

[IRON HAWK]

They have options these days and are now getting paid if you haven't been paying attention. Anthony Cassar is doing quite well in real estate. MMA pays more than Olympic gold also. why is Stevenson doing it? Who wasn't an Olympic champion when Cassar beat him twice. Gable was a true freshman back then.

Retherford? Has two young kids, his wife is running a day care center and he's still wrestling. Believe it or not these fellows often have businesses outside of the sport.

That is 100% fine!!!! No problem with any of it as long as it does not somehow SCREW others!!! I have met many F*** st wrestlers and have nothing but great things to say about them!!! They were nice kids(at the time) VERY knowledgeable, obviously STUD wrestlers!!!

My problem is NOT with them because I believe some athletes(or maybe even most) will ALMOST sell their sole for GREATNESS!!! This was proven when I took a course called SPORTS IN AMERICAN CULTURE!!!!

When unscrupulous individuals are involved- well you get what we see here today PERIOD!!! There is NO way in HELL that the gr8 Krailure and F*** st have been "playing games " over in Low LYING swamp land!!!! END of STORY!!!!

They have been caught several times now and nothing has been done!!! We see this in todays day and age, more and MORE!!! It goes way beyond getting on my Nevers!!!

ALL this being said, WAY TWOOO many of there wrestlers have not gone on as one would expect!!!!

 

[WhiteDog125]

Oh lord, have you seen the recruits they get? And let's swing back to Iowa back in the day. Please.

No argument about Iowa back in the day I don’t disagree. But, you seriously can’t see all the dirty scum things cael and a lot of the athletes have done? Even when some of it finally comes out you still want to argue it? You guys are weird.

 

[kingstown]

Is this why they are also banned by every major pro sport and in the Olympics? Because of that darn NCAA?

Yet they are perfectly legal and used by medical doctors. Perhaps medical advice shouldn't come from the NFL,NBA, or any other sports organization. I have no problem with banning illegal substances, but perfectly legal stuff should be fine. Multiple wrongs don't make a right.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

No argument about Iowa back in the day I don’t disagree. But, you seriously can’t see all the dirty scum things cael and a lot of the athletes have done? Even when some of it finally comes out you still want to argue it? You guys are weir

Need some specifics there. I have seen no one get popped for PEDs while wrestling on the team. I saw Brooks get snagged for something similar after he left. And if you're talking Starocci I wouldn't trust an Onlyfans model with a very non specific story.

I had a buddy on the Sandusky case, he told me a few things about this stuff. If there is CSA and some group is involved like a church, school, charity , or business the chance of a cover up initially is at app100%.

For normal SA the odds of the initial reports being valid are 20-25%. If it was never taken to authorities that goes down to almost zero.

As for PSU, you have a legend as a coach and a school willing to throw tons of money at a program(s). I just saw this video yesterday. He's a fitness influencer and I can tell you the facilities are light years more advanced than when i graduated in 1985. Go to app 15:45 in and look at what the average students has to train. It's not like my day.

 

[dt21]

i have some friends also and pst let a known ped roam their campus for years

 

[chipackhawk]

Yet they are perfectly legal and used by medical doctors. Perhaps medical advice shouldn't come from the NFL,NBA, or any other sports organization. I have no problem with banning illegal substances, but perfectly legal stuff should be fine. Multiple wrongs don't make a right.

You probably should define your use of the term - legal. There are plenty of substances that can be bought over the counter and/or prescribed that are performance enhancers or masking agents. Fans of a specific team that is looking the other way should sit this one out.

 

[kingstown]

i have some friends also and pst let a known ped roam their campus for yea

You probably should define your use of the term - legal. There are plenty of substances that can be bought over the counter and/or prescribed that are performance enhancers or masking agents. Fans of a specific team that is looking the other way should sit this one out.

You should probably let them keep living rent free in your head as you look up.

 

[ChicagoHawk2020]

You should probably let them keep living rent free in your head as you look up.

You know you lost the argument, when that's your response

 

[chipackhawk]

You should probably let them keep living rent free in your head as you look up.

Try harder. When you can't logically counter a single point I made - I win!

 

[kingstown]

You know you lost the argument, when that's your response

You know you lose all the wrestling duals between the two when you resort to crying "he cheated" Your parents should have corrected that behavior when you were toddlers.

 

[kingstown]

Try harder. When you can't logically counter a single point I made - I win!

You should probably make a point before asking this. You really want me to define legal? Google is your friend. You freely admit that you can buy performance enhancers over the counter which was my original point. Why make them against the rules?

 

[grapplefan]

Controversial subject- Widely reported that MANY teams are using Peptides---and most are not NCAA approved. It seems that some teams have been way ahead of the curve and have been using for years-- and others have recently gotten "on board."

It also seems the NCAA doesn't really care about testing.

Do they make as big a difference as some think? I dont think most coaches are directly encouraging as they won't risk losing their job, but they are aware and the athletes have people behind the scenes helping them with Peptide selection, etc.

It's a HARD hell no from Iowa Staff-- and I can see why-- what are your thoughts?

I used to drink Pepsi, but it gave me cavities.
Oh, you said peptides? Nevermind . . .

 

[BMassey]

Yet they are perfectly legal and used by medical doctors. Perhaps medical advice shouldn't come from the NFL,NBA, or any other sports organization. I have no problem with banning illegal substances, but perfectly legal stuff should be fine. Multiple wrongs don't make a right.

Well, while not technically illegal, they are not approved by the FDA for human consumption. You don’t just walk into a pharmacy with a prescription. They are made by compounding pharmacies and if you get them from an MD, you will usually sign a boatload of forms, one of which stating you know they are not for human consumption. That puts them in a pretty gray area for the time being.

 

[Slim45]

Need some specifics there. I have seen no one get popped for PEDs while wrestling on the team. I saw Brooks get snagged for something similar after he left. And if you're talking Starocci I wouldn't trust an Onlyfans model with a very non specific story.

I had a buddy on the Sandusky case, he told me a few things about this stuff. If there is CSA and some group is involved like a church, school, charity , or business the chance of a cover up initially is at app100%.

For normal SA the odds of the initial reports being valid are 20-25%. If it was never taken to authorities that goes down to almost zero.

As for PSU, you have a legend as a coach and a school willing to throw tons of money at a program(s). I just saw this video yesterday. He's a fitness influencer and I can tell you the facilities are light years more advanced than when i graduated in 1985. Go to app 15:45 in and look at what the average students has to train. It's not like my day.

So you bring up Sandusky and then say there’s about a 0% chance of these things being covered up, when that’s precisely what transpired? Can’t make this **** up!

 

[chipackhawk]

You should probably make a point before asking this. You really want me to define legal? Google is your friend. You freely admit that you can buy performance enhancers over the counter which was my original point. Why make them against the rules?

Because they are performance enhancers and once you cross the line it becomes gray what is right or wrong and scum bags push it. Rules are there for a reason. It’s not the WWE. Pot is legal in many states but you can’t drive on it. Comprende the comparison between driving and competitive sports?

 

[TheREALSpooner]

Yet they are perfectly legal and used by medical doctors. Perhaps medical advice shouldn't come from the NFL,NBA, or any other sports organization. I have no problem with banning illegal substances, but perfectly legal stuff should be fine. Multiple wrongs don't make a right.

But you specifically said the NCAA. Can you explain why it’s about the NCAA profiting because you sure ignored that in your response.

Anyway…just because something is legal doesn’t mean it should be allowed. I’m sure they didn’t ban it without advisement of the medical community. Is it a masking agent, perhaps?

 

[Strength1]

You should probably make a point before asking this. You really want me to define legal? Google is your friend. You freely admit that you can buy performance enhancers over the counter which was my original point. Why make them against the rules?

Where to start with some of the stupidity you throw out.
There is a black market for injectable Peptides. TB-4, AOD-9604, BPC-157, TB-500, MK-677. It would be great to use the specific Peptides listed above to accomplish very detailed stimulation of a specific natural body function. Every athlete would like to increase stamina, improve ATP production, develop highly efficient energy systems with greatly reduced muscle fatigue, extend peak performance while optimizing oxygen supply to muscles through red blood cell production. Its already been mentioned stimulating fat breakdown while preserving hypertrophy, body comp and energy. Joint protection and repair while reducing risk of joint, muscle, and tendon injuries. That last one is BPC-157, a few Iowa wrestlers would have enjoyed the use of that Peptide.
In the list above stop and think of a wrestling team that doesn't seem to fatigue, stays away from tissue injuries and maintains body comp. Smart training of the very best wrestlers? I don't know...
Not a stretch to think that one the most renowned Biomechanics Labs at Penn State that has been around since the 60's just has some things figured out. I won't claim anyone cheats or does things illegal.
Very few if any over the counter performance enhancers would come close to what steroids or Peptides do. Most of the days of winking and telling a person to double or triple the dose of something over the counter to get a desired result are long gone.
Your notion of legal/illegal isn't worth a google search.