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[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

 

[theBlues]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

Fortunately, the university won't cut him loose this soon. However, he most definitely needs to turn this team around.

 

[One2Three]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

This doesn’t work in this day and age. None of these coaches spent $20 million of someone else’s money.

If Pope returns next year, expect NIL to drop from frustrated boosters unhappy by this year’s results. He’s struggled to recruit as it is, why will it improve with less money?

 

[Ash Williams]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

Your samples are different, which corrupts your conclusion. I noticed you did not include Pitino in that list.

 

[Woodrow24]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

NIL and the portal have changed the sport. I just don’t see programs giving as much time as they did in the past.

 

[Woodrow24]

This doesn’t work in this day and age. None of these coaches spent $20 million of someone else’s money.

If Pope returns next year, expect NIL to drop from frustrated boosters unhappy by this year’s results. He’s struggled to recruit as it is, why will it improve with less money?

Some fans don’t understand how things are different now. I understand why they don’t, it’s just something we’re all going to have to adjust to at this point. I’d say because of the 22 million spent on this roster that Popes already had to answer some tough questions privately.

 

[Monday Nitro]

This doesn’t work in this day and age. None of these coaches spent $20 million of someone else’s money.

If Pope returns next year, expect NIL to drop from frustrated boosters unhappy by this year’s results. He’s struggled to recruit as it is, why will it improve with less money?

He showed those numbers and one of the arguments from the doomsdayers yesterday was that Pope is a failure because he didnt go 3 and 0 against UT in year 1, lol. 2 and 1 against Barnes in year one just wasnt enough and clearly a Sweet 16 in year one wasn’t good enough. You and some others made the outlandish argument.

Pope is just fine, we need to make freaking shots. NIL isnt gonna dry up, lol. If anything, boosters will look closer at it and give him what he needs. PS, this season isn’t even close to over, even if Rival fans posing as UK fans or pot-stirrers want it to be.

 

[Smeegs]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

A fair point, but it fails to take into account how the sport has completely and totally changed …thanks to the transfer portal and NIL money.

Rebuilding used to be a gradual process that took a few years. And schools took that into account when they hired a new coach. But now the Portal and NIL enable teams to completely transform their roster in just one off-season.

If you’re a big money school with a huge NIL budget (as is UK), there’s no longer much excuse for it to take awhile.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

Did those guys get to bring in veterans from a transfer portal or have the highest payroll in college basketball when they did it?

 

[BlueBlood96Cat]

This doesn’t work in this day and age. None of these coaches spent $20 million of someone else’s money.

If Pope returns next year, expect NIL to drop from frustrated boosters unhappy by this year’s results. He’s struggled to recruit as it is, why will it improve with less money?

I’ll never believe 22 million. That kind of money brings players even if they dont like Pope.

 

[Monday Nitro]

A fair point, but it fails to take into account how the sport has completely and totally changed …thanks to the transfer portal and NIL money.

Rebuilding used to be a gradual process that took a few years. And schools took that into account when they hired a new coach. But now the Portal and NIL enable teams to completely transform their roster in just one off-season.

If you’re a big money school with a huge NIL budget (as is UK), there’s no longer much excuse for it to take awhile.

Completely transforming rosters overnight have brought how much success to bluebloods so far with UCON being an outlier? Its the fringe teams having success now. But I get it. Pope is a failure unless he beats UT 3 times in year 1, goes to the elite eight or further and it gets better from year 2. Unrealistic.

 

[Tri-Countycat]

Pope’s recruiting is the biggest concern. Even with all that money he whiffed on all the top NIL transfers and he is yet to bring in any top tier high school talent. With NIL, bluebloods aren’t as attractive, it’s gonna take a coach that can close the deal.

 

[Anony Moose]

Completely transforming rosters overnight have brought how much success to bluebloods so far with UCON being an outlier? Its the fringe teams having success now. But I get it. Pope is a failure unless he beats UT 3 times in year 1, goes to the elite eight or further and it gets better from year 2. Unrealistic.

It's not working too bad for IU right now. UNC just got to the F4 a couple years ago relying on the portal transfers. KU won a title a couple of years ago due to transfers. UF, while not a blueblood, just won a title last year that was basically a team of portal players. Then, as you pointed out, Uconn has 2 doing it that way.

Pope is a failure because he sucks and has never succeeded anywhere as a coach. Literally no one was trying to hire him. Most of his former players sans Robinson did not want to follow him. Beating UT 3 times is irrelevant to that. He's never won **** and just got his first NCAA tournament win last year. We beat 2 teams seeded lower than us and got ran off the floor by the team seeded higher. Same thing happened in the SEC tournament. And now, to start the season, same thing is happening again.

 

[Monday Nitro]

It's not working too bad for IU right now. UNC just got to the F4 a couple years ago relying on the portal transfers. KU won a title a couple of years ago due to transfers. UF, while not a blueblood, just won a title last year that was basically a team of portal players. Then, as you pointed out, Uconn has 2 doing it that way.

Pope is a failure because he sucks and has never succeeded anywhere as a coach. Literally no one was trying to hire him. Most of his former players sans Robinson did not want to follow him. Beating UT 3 times is irrelevant to that. He's never won **** and just got his first NCAA tournament win last year. We beat 2 teams seeded lower than us and got ran off the floor by the team seeded higher. Same thing happened in the SEC tournament. And now, to start the season, same thing is happening again.

Like I said, Rival fans that just joined two days ago and pot-stirrers are clutter. Not playing that game. Anon lol. BYE.

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

Pope doesn't need fired but he absolutely needs resigned in with a true gm. This roster at this price is just mind-blowing. Outside of jq, this entire roster should've been maximum 3 mil. Maybe 5.

Paying 22 is just mind-blowing.

 

[MbergCat]

This doesn’t work in this day and age. None of these coaches spent $20 million of someone else’s money.

If Pope returns next year, expect NIL to drop from frustrated boosters unhappy by this year’s results. He’s struggled to recruit as it is, why will it improve with less money?

This.

 

[Anony Moose]

Like I said, Rival fans that just joined two days ago and pot-stirrers are clutter. Not playing that game. Anon lol. BYE.

Yea, facts usually cause that reaction I've noticed.

 

[jedwar]

As others have said, comparing to coaches of decades ago just doesn't hit. It's so different now. You can flip the switch from one season to the next. See UL last year.

 

[JHBr]

I think recruiting is tricky now. Portal and HS. Will Stein said at his press conference (paraphrasing) if the first question by a recruit is $$$ you may not want that guy... He wants guys that love playing football, etc.
Same applies with hoops. Are maybe some of our guys are as interested in $ as in competing? I won't pretend to know the answer but you have to find the "dogs" when recruiting now. In some of our games there hasn't noticeably been fire in the play. Thought it was a bit better against unc and then we couldn't hit a shot. Hopefully, some "dog" will appear soon.

 

[Snarks]

You’re just as out to lunch on basketball as you were on football (defended Stoops until the end). This is a new era of sports, you can turn things around in a year. Those guys stated off slow because they had to build their roster slowly. Especially in basketball you can turn a team around in a single year.

 

[BlueBlood96Cat]

Completely transforming rosters overnight have brought how much success to bluebloods so far with UCON being an outlier? Its the fringe teams having success now. But I get it. Pope is a failure unless he beats UT 3 times in year 1, goes to the elite eight or further and it gets better from year 2. Unrealistic.

Yea I agree we are being a little unrealistic. But some of the questions need to be asked. I’m not off the Pope train right now but he’s got me seriously nervous. I don’t feel he is as confident and happy as he was during that introductory pep rally. Job looks like it’s eating him up.

he’s making me want to feel sorry for him and I can’t allow my love for him to accept certain things. I’m not here to crap on him. I do feel like there are five or six guys that would have a way better roster right now if they were the coach here.

I want him to succeed because he’s our coach and one of ours even before that. I was super disappointed the moment I heard the hire. Somehow whatever BBN did brain ****** me and I got on board to the extent of saying he was about to start a dynasty.


I’m super nervous now. I’m not liking what I’m seeing. Team isn’t fun. At the end of the day we all want to win because it’s fun.

 

[UKBB4Ever]

Again, numbers on a page do not tell the story.

Did those teams play hard and were just outmanned?

Or did they just walk out there and find a game going on?

 

[bleedingxblue90]

Rebuilding isn’t a slow, developmental process anymore. With the portal and NIL, plus years of Calipari proving you can overhaul a roster every season with freshman talent, the landscape has completely changed. The truth is Pope hasn’t shown he can recruit, his coaching is questionable, and he’s simply too nice to be an effective leader. Love the guy to death for what he done as a player and his passion, but he isn't it, and it couldn't be more obvious unfortunately.

 

[bleedingxblue90]

I’ll never believe 22 million. That kind of money brings players even if they dont like Pope.

Why? That number came from Ben Roberts of the LHL and we have former players (Mashburn) using that figure and not giving it a second thought. The product on the court doesn't look like 22 million but it isn't that hard to believe. If nothing else, I'd wager it is in the ball park.

 

[Catlogic1552]

Dusty May came to Michigan from Florida Atlantic this year, got Yaxel from Pope, and is #3 in the country.

 

[KyKevin]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

I hope you get them to listen to what your saying, but those years were before NIL, and coach's weren't making millions a year to coach basketball. No patience in this world now, right or wrong.

 

[Supafuzz75]

He's got 1.5 years to get to a final 4 or next man up..

 

[UKAlum84]

College ball has never been easy for most coaches unless your Rupp or Wooden....

 

[One2Three]

I’ll never believe 22 million. That kind of money brings players even if they dont like Pope.

Or he’s overpaying like Mitch does. That one is a more realistic scenario.

 

[BlueBlood96Cat]

He's got 1.5 years to get to a final 4 or next man up..

So next year is your cut off

 

[wildcatdon]

I’ll never believe 22 million. That kind of money brings players even if they dont like Pope.

I agree. I bet we barely spent $10 million if that.

 

[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

He's got 1.5 years to get to a final 4 or next man up..

You have zero posts left before I add you to ignore. I try to give people a chance but I have not seen one post that is close to decent from you.

 

[ZaytovenCat]

Absolutely NONE of that matters. The game today is closer to full blown pro ball than it is the old school college game. You can turn a roster around in a couple months if you’re good enough. Pope just isn’t.

 

[UKCowboys]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

Sane posts will attract the trolls

 

[Supafuzz75]

So next year is your cut off

That's 3 years in and probably 30+ million in players,, so,, yep..

 

[Supafuzz75]

You have zero posts left before I add you to ignore. I try to give people a chance but I have not seen one post that is close to decent from you.

F add me,, don't be all talk..

 

[Tim0808]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

You are right. Now I love Pope!!!

 

[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

Absolutely NONE of that matters. The game today is closer to full blown pro ball than it is the old school college game. You can turn a roster around in a couple months if you’re good enough. Pope just isn’t.

This seems to be making the assumption that these other coaches were saddled with garbage rosters which is not all that accurate.

Pretty much all these coaches walked into a better situation than Pope did with no returning players. Perry was the only guy on the roster and many of the best transfers had already committed elsewhere. Lowe's injury and Lewis bailing on us has created a challenging situation. Add to that the guy that was supposed to be your star missing time and being slowed by a turf toe injury. As well as Noah and Dioubate missing time with ankle injuries while trying to develop chemistry amongst mostly guys who had not played together then our troubles to this point are not all that shocking.

 

[JonathanW2]

I don't think it is any longer reasonable to compare to pre-2020 coaches and their outcomes.
NIL and the Transfer Portal has completely changed the landscape of college sports. You no longer need time to rebuild. Is it easier if you inherit a good roster and only have a few holes to patch, sure. But you can go out and buy a very good roster in year 1.

 

[Kentucky15]

I posted this information in another thread but I think it may need it's own thread. These are but a few examples and some legendary coaches.

8-9, 15-6, 12-12, 15-9, 16-11 These are UNCheat's records Dean Smith's first five years.

17-13, 10-17, 11-17 These are Puke's records Coach K's first 3 years.

16-16, 17-12 These are Tom Izzo's first two years at MSU.

9-19, 20-14, 18-13 These are Jim Calhoun's first three years at UConn.

13-17, 14-15 These are Billy Donovan's first 2 years at Florida.

There are no guarantees as to what Coach Pope will accomplish going forward but these are good examples of why you shouldn't necessarily write someone off after one solid season (despite inheriting an empty roster and horrendous luck with injuries) and eight games into year 2 (also plagued by bad luck with injuries).

Dude honestly I’m not calling for Mark yet and I think there’s something going on besides what we understand, but you rode Mark Stoops at 3-9 lol. You are not about the programs you get sold by coaches. It’s a weird psychology I’ll never quiet understand but you are absolutely not someone to listen to when it comes to directions of programs. Believe you wanted to just maintain Calipari over and over too after his first round losses and getting his *** handed to him by Duke yearly while he intentionally tanked this program to make payouts happen.

So you are going to back coaches even to the detriment of the players and program. Well no you won’t be followed there. Quit being suckered all the time. Wake up buddy.