Phil Steele rated our DL & LBers dead last in SEC?
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I see nothing there other than the writer's incorrect (IMO) use of the BBDB catch phrase. He apparently is associating a specific "non-aggressive" defensive game plan as "BBDB". Starting the game in Cover 2 to take away an opponent's deep ball threat is not the same as a "BBDB" defense. It simply means you have a lot of respect for your opponent's deep passing game and want to take that away from them. From the article:
Defensive coordinator Don Pellum’s defense is based on the premise of observing early in the game how the opposing offense is attacking you, and adjusting from there. Against Florida State, we started out in a defense meant to take away what the Seminoles liked to do.
that is simply good defensive game planning. They would have almost certainly done something different against run oriented AL or LSU. I would not call that BBDB. The game he referenced was the 2015 Rose Bowl. The fact that FSU had 4 fumbles and one INT likely undermined their 528 yards of offense. The biggest difference in the game was the fact FSU could do nothing to stop a very explosive OR team led by Marcus Mariota and was quickly "forced" into a catch up situation.
I only briefly skimmed the article but I think the phrase BBDB was used only in the headline and intro paragraph. And then in reference to what the author said "fans said" about the OR defense. He did not quote a coach as saying: "Yeah, our plan was to sit back, play very conservatively and let them fumble away the ball". [winking]
Peace
To simply this I would say that a team may employ a containment strategy or an attack strategy (or a combination of both). In all cases your goal is to get the ball back and prevent the opponent from scoring. The choice you make will depend on your defensive coaching philosophy, personnel strengths and weaknesses and opponent's offensive style. The containment strategy is commonly referred to as BBDB becasue when you watch the game film that is often what happens, the defense allows a lot of yards but keeps the opponent out of the end zone.
When expressed like that, I have no argument. And, of course, the field shrinks so the last 20 yards are the toughest 20 yards. I just hate the damn phrase "bend but don't break". It implicitly suggest that it is OK to allow the offense to move the ball down the field. [winking]
Peace
"At times we all get frustrated when Oregon morphs into the Three-Duck-Chuck pass rush and drops eight defenders into zone coverage; while the opponent does convert on occasion, the stats show that the vast majority of the time they do not. When you learn that more than 75% of drives starting on the opponent’s 25-yard line do not end in points, it becomes apparent how hard it is for an offense to drive the length of the field on the Oregon defense."
The entire philosophy of bend don't break is to play a basic defense and get the opponent in a 3rd down situation. The opponent may convert on 3rd down twice in the same drive but you stop them on the 3rd attempt and get the ball back. Force the offense to sustain a drive and don't give up the big play.
I can tell he was. I knew that he knew exactly what he was doing by watching us put several men too short on the field or the other team running the same play over and over again.
Stoops knows what he's doing with the defense. Likely trying to win and also shape Eliot. Made some head coach mistakes that are bound to happen as a first time HC (and in the SEC, no less). Important thing is that he seems to be learning from mistakes.
Then the defense only crowd should never complain about the offense going 3 in out. If tbe D is designed to stay on the field and get exhausted then they are the ones who is losing games as well. Not just the offense like you guys point fingers at
Isn't that sort of a red flag at this point that we're in such a dire situation on defense in year 4 of Stoops' tenure? Especially considering that fact that he's a 'defensive guy'? Or maybe a few more years will do the trick. That seems to be the general sentiment around here.
But we haven't played year 4 yet. Some of you act like we regressed to Joker Era d and we haven't started fall camp yet. I've seen people throw away a season after a loss but danged if I've seen a,season speculated away.
It's always the same posters prematurely throwing in the towel on an idea or person. Just don't take it personally.
That's twice this guy seems to have intentionally misinterpret what somebody has posted.
Didn't say that you said that did I ? I was just making a statement.
Read just about any thread on the D and its poor play and you will have its supporters blaming most of the problems with the D on the offense. Vandy had a horrible offense and it didn't stop their D from playing well.
That's all I was saying.
Since your throwing punches here where I'm intentionally misinterpreting what somebody wrote? I'm sure your probably talking about yourself.
Well here we are I found it... I posted a response but for some reason my phone didn't send it..
Take these yards they played against the other teams after Chubb went down, leave out our game since we are comparing their average against our team..
165 yards rushing against UT Chubb gets hurt in 1st quarter. lost 38-31
120 yards rushing against Mizzou won 9-6
69 yards rushing against Florida lost 27-3
300 yards rushing against UK won 27-3
146 yards rushing against Auburn won 20-13
130 yards rushing against Georgia Southern won 23-17 OT
178 yards rushing against Georgia Tech won 13-7
166 yards rushing against Penn St won 24-17
They averaged 139 yards a game rushing against the other teams. Against us they had 300
This post here you made your talking about the offense. Other schools D puts our O back on the sideline in 3 plays many times during the game last season. Our D seemed to struggle so much doing that. That falls on the D but then you have the defenders saying well we have a bend but don't break system so they are not going to get many 3 in outs.
I'm waiting on all the linemen we recruit to make a difference like I'm told about every linemen we sign. Every last one of them is the next best thing from what I"m reading. I know your saying the same thing all I'm saying is that the play is worse than what your saying..
In conclusion I don't know why you got your panties in a wad when I'm just saying It's worse (stat wise) than what your saying. Kooky Kats was making a statement that was correct and you come back and made the observation about how Georgia still ran the ball well and provoded their stats and Bama's. Then I simply made the comment about you must have forgotten about Chubb getting hurt because they did struggle to score the ball and did not run the ball that well except against us. You blew up over the matter for some reason not sure why....
Maybe you don't like my stats that I put up??? I don't know but what I put up was the ESPN game stats you can go look for yourself.
After Chubb went down they averaged 139 yards a game rushing against other teams besides us and against us they put up 300
Hopefully you can calm down now and understand what I'm talking about.
They averaged 159.2 after Chubb wen down, not 139. Still, point taken. They weren't nearly the rushing team they were before he went down, except against us.
When you include another member's quote in your message, it's implied that you are responding or commenting on it.
Yep I was getting ready to point this out. Bend but don't break essentially means you're playing soft rather than pressure.
I was at the UGA game last season and was sitting right behind the UGA sideline. With all of UGA's issues they came out before the game excited and ready to play and UK's players looked like they had just woken up. That is what has disturbed me more than anything about the past few seasons under Stoops. His players gravitate to appearing like they do not want to be on the field and make a whole host of mistakes. I am not saying the talent and depth on the Dline is top notch but I question how well coached and motivated they are. I do think if the offense can get better and allow them more rest we will see a better defense, but so far they have been wildly inconsistent, soft, and lack leadership.
Our Dline and LB are Diamonds in the Rough! Under the radar so to speak. They will surprise some people this year! Write it down!!
I'm still coming up with 139.1428 yards a game after Chubb went down against other schools besides us.
He went down the very first offensive play of the UT game, so I counted all the GA yardage against UT and the final 7 games after that. Showing 159.2 yds/gm. Obviously, he's a force and their rushing attack was/is much more formidable with him in the lineup. But they still had some talent and big rushing games without him.
I applaud your patience.
It seems such an obvious matter to understand to me. UGA would have certainly felt the loss of Hershel Walker, LSU would feel the loss of Fournette, USC would have felt the loss of OJ Simpson, etc. etc. so it is a given UGA felt the loss of Chubb who only had less than 100 yards fewer than Hershel in their freshman seasons (he ran for over 1500 yards). The fact remains that UGA still had a potent running game after Chubb went down, not as potent as before and for obvious reasons but still one we didn't appear to even be able to slow down.
I will never understand Kentucky football fans that don't respect teams with far, far, far, better football programs and history than our own.
I left out the game against us because I'm comparing their running game against those teams compared to our run D. That is what I was doing.
Say for example if they never played us hypothetically they would have averaged 139 yards a game. Or if they played just 1 game and that was against UK they would have averaged 300.
Their is no doubt they have some talent on their squad as does most every other SEC school we face. I'm just pointing out our run D is not as good as most on here proclaim. Look at the other schools they faced and their number of yards they got on the ground against them. Subject that I'm making is not about Georgia's back field but our front 7. In order to be successful especially in the SEC you need to find a way to stop the run and we have yet to do that with our 3/4 system. Our DB's are excellent they are SEC level quality guys with the coaching they have received.
I'm anxious to have our DL, LB, QB, OL and wide receivers all perform at the level they are. I have no problems with our RB's as they perform well when healthy.
I don't think it's too unrealistic if you think about how our d-line has struggled the last few years. The guys we are bringing in, who knows how they will turn out? Let's hope this guy is wrong and we get at least average d-line play. If not, it is going to be another nightmareish season. You can't win in the Sec unless your D-line is top-notch. If we are talented all over the rest of the field, it might be different and not mean as much. I guess i will take a wait and see type of attitude with our new guys. The good news is, they can't play much worse than what we have been seeing the last few years. With that said, Barker is going to have to think about putting points on the scoreboard if we want a shot at beating the elite schools in the conference. Even if our d-line play is just average, we are going to face teams in the Sec that have great d-lines. To beat those type of schools, we are going to need to put up major points on the scoreboard. We can't out-talent too many schools in the Sec.