I never said it did. I am pointing out the flaw on that metric.
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Huh?
Noah is 12/30 from deep (40%)
Chandler 25/63 (39.7%)
Johnson 16/43 (37.2%)
Williams 18/52 (34.6%)
That's the top 4.
Thinking Noah should be getting more minutes from OO is classic Rafters.
This place never disappoints lol.
This place never disappoints lol.
No different than the people who think we should keep doing the same thing over and over while getting our asses kicked. Basically like the Cal slurpers his last few years.
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I wouldn't say Noah should get more run than Oweh, but I think Noah's offensive skillset is strong enough to make him more efficient than Oweh in certain match-up situations against different teams.
It's like saying a Ryobi driver is better than a hammer and therefore should always be used more on every project at every moment than the hammer. While it is true my Ryobi driver is utilized far more in most of my projects around the house, it is useless when a hammer is necessary. Also, there are some projects where a hammer is utilized more often for greater efficiency.
This is mind numbing. You're telling me I don't know how to read the stats, then you are saying Zach Tow showed out in his 6 minutes against Gravy State, so that proves he's really efficient.It tells me he was good in his 6 mop up minutes and didn't miss much.
It also tells me you don't know how to read and interpret stats. Lulz.
Problem is Noah was out hurt for a couple of games, so he can't possibly have played close to that. However, in the decent amount if minutes he has had, even against ranked opponents, which you lied about here, he is better offensively. He is far more efficient and reliable. As such he needs more run.
Another interesting issue you seem to ignore...I also said Chandler and Williams should be getting the brunt of those minutes, with Noah getting some. Your argument against that is so bad you can only focus on Noah.
Was I bragging or pointing out your dishonesty?
Then, you are making excuses for why Noah wasn’t playing, meanwhile, Lowe is playing despite his shoulder injury.
You're the one that doesn't get it. The stats you are using, are based on team efficiency and opponent strength, but you are using them to judge individual efficiency and you're ignoring the simple fact that some of these players are only playing decent minutes against cupcakes.
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He literally explained to you that Zach Tow only played 6 minutes, which, if you were paying attention, explains the simple fact that, right off the bat, your metric is flawed.
He didn't explain it to you, because you shouldn’t have to do that for an adult.
It’s your metric. It’s what you're relying on.
So, in your own words, we should bench OO and put in Zach Tow. He’s the most efficient player on the team, right?
Are you looking at Noah's stats from last year?
I don't think he's hit 12 shots all year, from 2, or 3.
Where did I ever say Tow showed out in 6 minutes? Lulz
Fallacies won't win your argument, bud.
I did say his metrics were good because it was only based on 6 min of play. I don't think I ever said anything else about him.
I didn't make an excuse for Noah, I just pointed he had an ankle injury and missed the UL game. Lulz.
The stats are individual and team stats that show most of the team is better offensively than Oweh.
Lol, it doesn't and he didn't. He pointed out at it related to Tow, it was based off limited shots with no misses in 6 total minutes.
Lol, did you just say he did and didn't explain it to me. Lulz. You sound crazy!
Never said that. Lulz.
Have you watched any games this year? Noah has been one of our worst players… .at everything. He’s unplayable and he can’t guard anybody.
He racked up some numbers against the cupcakes. He went 3-6 from 3 and 4 of 8 from 2 against UNC Central. That's his best outing.
If you filter out the cupcakes and focus on the power 5 teams, you'll see he's a 25% shooter.
You guys have to understand, you can just throw a blanket over all 14 games. Oweh is having to take the lead against all the power 5 teams, whike guys like Noah and Chandler don't play as much and get to benefit from balling out against bad teams.
You guys want to pile on Oweh for some reason, but without him, we're .500 at best, especially if you replace him with Noah, Chandler and DA.
Dude has no idea how to read stats. Yet, he is sure he is right while essentially admitting he can't even read the stats.
Noah's literally our best shooter behind the arc, so he can't be our worst player at everything.
The fact that he's shooting 25% against power conference teams and still has the best 3PT avg on the team shows how good of a shooter he is.
The answer to struggling against power conference teams isn't to bench him but to play him to bring his game up to that level.
Against Indiana: 1-3 & 0-2
Against Gonzaga: 1-3 & 1-3
Against SJ: 0-0 & 0-0 in 3 minutes
Against UofL: DNP
Against MSU: 0-0 & 0-0 0-1 free throws
Against uNC: 0-1 & 0-1 2-2 free throws
Agaibst Bellarmine: 1-3 & 0-2
He's unplayable against power 5 competition. He racked up some stats against popcorn state type schools. We don't have anymore of those on the schedule.
My argument is he is the best shooter on the team. Based on the provided stats, he is.
If you are providing a counter argument, please provide your reasons.
If it's so easy to shoot against non-power conference teams why aren't the other Wildcats running up their shooting percentage against them?
He may be unplayable, but not because he can't shoot. He's the best shooter on the team (from three).
What you aren't understanding, is that we're trying to tell you that the metrics you are using, to base your opinions on, are flawed.
We're trying to explain to you that Zach Tow makes your metric useless, because players like Noah, Kam and CC, are also benefitting from not playing as much against the power 5 teams and racking up good nunbers against crap teams.
Meanwhile, OO is playing big minutes against the better competition and he’s getting everyone's best defenders.
You literally saw what happened to Chandler against Alabama, but you're ignoring it, because this flawed metric tells yo too and you THINK Oweh is a cancer.
Right about
NOW… you should be seeing my other post that broke down Noah's stats against the good teams. He’s terrible, so terrible, that Pope isn’t even playing him in games against p5 competition.
But he's not the best shooter. We have no more cupcake games left, that's where he got his stats from.
Against p5 competition, he pees down his leg. I literally showed you.
On top of that, he can't guard anybody, that's why Pope isn’t playing him.
He's not our best shooter if he stinks against the good teams.
The other players ARE running up tgeir stats against the bad teams. The difference is, Noah is so had, Pope doesn’t play him more than a couple minutes agaibst the good teams. So, the numbers he racked up against popcorn state dob't get brought down.
If he played 28 minutes against MSU, uNC, SJ, IU and Alabama, his stats would be a fraction of what they are now.
im not going to argue that trent noah deserves any more minutes but im also not going to argue that Oweh doesnt deserve to have less because he does.
The only flaw is you don't like them because they don't support what you're saying.
How does Zach Tow having 6 minutes of metrics do anything? It doesn't! Unless of course you're just being purposefully asinine because you don't like fatcs.
And we are getting our asses kicked everytime. Maybe we should try something different. Repeating the same behavior expecting different results is called what again?
OMG, Chandler had a bad game against Bama. He should just quit now and never play again! Worst player in the history of the game right there!
And Noah only made 2 of the 7 shots he's taken this year against good comp, so end his career too!
I like to look at the +/-. I have not updated for awhile, but last I did I was surprised that Williams, Noah and Johnson were all better than Oweh.
But you are arguing that Trent deserves more minutes.
This is the situation Pope put the team in. There simply isn't anyone better to put in at the 3. If you pull Oweh out, you're putting in a guy that, at his best, isn't as good.
Everyone on this team is struggling. Chandler, Noah and Oweh were all better last year. That tells me there is a bigger problem.
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Now filter down to the games against power 5 opponents only. You'll find the issue that we're talking about.
Everyone looks good against buttcrack state, but look at their stats against the better teams.
The problem is simple and everyone is overlooking it. Kentucky is to big for Mark Pope to handle. The players he’s getting aren’t up for the challenge either. Wasn’t qualified. Doesn’t have the it factor. Lack of connections lack of experience.
So now you're going back to making excuses for guys like Noah and Chandler after I showed you their stats against power 5 to prove your metrics are flawed. Just own it.The only flaw is you don't like them because they don't support what you're saying.
How does Zach Tow having 6 minutes of metrics do anything? It doesn't! Unless of course you're just being purposefully asinine because you don't like fatcs.
And we are getting our asses kicked everytime. Maybe we should try something different. Repeating the same behavior expecting different results is called what again?
OMG, Chandler had a bad game against Bama. He should just quit now and never play again! Worst player in the history of the game right there!
And Noah only made 2 of the 7 shots he's taken this year against good comp, so end his career too!
And it’s not just one bad game. Chandler, Kam, Noah and Aberdeen have looked terrible against all 5 of the good teams we played. The numbers are right there for you.
I get Oweh did something with your mom and you hate him for that, but the bottom line is, the guys you want to give his minutes to, are so much worse than Otega. You haven't shown one shred of evidence that shows us why Noah and Chandler should take Oweh's minutes. Both of those guys have been getting shredded against anyone with a pulse. Prove me wrong.
This is what I've been trying to say. We have two monkeys on here that are singling Oweh out and wanting 3 really bad players to take his minutes, when the truth is, nobody is thriving, the entire team is struggling.
There's a common denominator and it isn't OO.
As a UK fan… imo Noah and chandler are players I grew up seeing come in and the crowd yelling shoot. They have started quite a bit for Mark Pope. Anybody can see where we are heading and quick.
What excuses? Lulz
Lol, except They've all had good games against P5 competition. You claiming otherwise doesn't make it true.
Lol, yep...you got me and my mom. Lulz.
We've shown you ample. We can lead a horse yp water but can't make him...we'll I'm sure you know the saying.
Imagine arguing we should keep doing the same after getting your *** kicked 5 times doing it that way. Lulz
Exactly, Noah and Chandler are cleanup guys and we have dudes in this thread that think they should be taking someone's minutes.
OO isn’t a legit NBA guy, but he is miles ahead of Noah, Aberdeen and Chandler.
Oweh should have went last year and tried to make it the hard way through G league or something. Hes hurt his stock this year.
You haven't shown anything. Myself and 2 other posters have shown you real stats and you're ignoring them.
The stats you showed, are so flawed, you can't take anytning from them. If we used your netrics, Zach Tow would be our best player.
I can't believe you're actually trying to debate this.
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You're right finally, I haven't "shoelwn" you anything. Lulz.
Lol, you keep telling me the stats aren't the stats and don't mean what they say and should be burned. All your words. They literally show exactly what I have maintained all along.
How do you base anything about Tow in 6 minutes played? Lulz. Again, the Fallacies just make your argument look inferior to everyone.
I'm not debating it. I accept the facts. You're the one debating them. I'm mostly laughing and having a good time watching you implode.
You're still not understanding. I'm bringing up Zach Tow, because it is the easiest example I can give you to help you understand why the metric you are trying to use, is flawed.
Do yourself a favor and filter out the games against mid majors and tell me what you see (FYI, I already know what you're going to find).
The bottom line is, the guys you want to take some of Oweh's minutes, aren't good enough for that and they can’t carry the weight that Oweh carries. None of those guys can lead, Oweh can.
Whatever might be going on with Oweh needs to he worked out, because this is a first weekend out team if Oweh doesn’t get to his potential.