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Tim0808

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The whole argument players were not getting rewarded for what they did on the court, field, etc. is crap. Players were getting a free education, housing, food, traveling around the country, training of their craft, access to state of the art facilities, and on and on. Yet, some people want to argue that these players are making schools millions and are not getting their fair share. Why do they deserve a share? They knew what they were signing up for.
When I got my first job and my boss paid me peanuts while the owner of the company made millions. I did not expect or deserve a share. I knew the owner took all the risk, and paid all the bills and I was thankful for a job. Colleges are the same way. They take all the risk, pay all the up keep, building facilities, advertising, refs, lights, heat, air, etc... And there is always someone looking to sue you for something. Yet, players act like they are equal partners.
The product is the game and not the players. Players come and go. The NCAA needs to get their crap together and unite as one, that is the only way it will get fixed. The fans love the schools, not some jimmy or joe that is going to be their one year.
We have really screwed this up.
That is my soap box for today.
 

NociHTTP

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IMO a lot of fans don't love the schools, they love the players. They bet on the players in college and then follow those players into the NBA where they again bet on them. Like you said, the players think they ARE the product. It wasn't always that way.
 
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The whole argument players were not getting rewarded for what they did on the court, field, etc. is crap. Players were getting a free education, housing, food, traveling around the country, training of their craft, access to state of the art facilities, and on and on. Yet, some people want to argue that these players are making schools millions and are not getting their fair share. Why do they deserve a share? They knew what they were signing up for.
When I got my first job and my boss paid me peanuts while the owner of the company made millions. I did not expect or deserve a share. I knew the owner took all the risk, and paid all the bills and I was thankful for a job. Colleges are the same way. They take all the risk, pay all the up keep, building facilities, advertising, refs, lights, heat, air, etc... And there is always someone looking to sue you for something. Yet, players act like they are equal partners.
The product is the game and not the players. Players come and go. The NCAA needs to get their crap together and unite as one, that is the only way it will get fixed. The fans love the schools, not some jimmy or joe that is going to be their one year.
We have really screwed this up.
That is my soap box for today.
The difference between your first job and these athletes is that your first employer had a top-dog making money from his own hard work while you made peanuts. You were not the one generating the revenue.

Now, imagine it's your skills, name, and image that was generating millions for your company and you were still making peanuts. I don't think you would feel the same way about your income and the way your company was handling your employment.

Why do they deserve their fair share? Really?

Because it's fair!

Now, they originally came to college on the deal set by the NCAA, that included scholarships, room, board, etc. In the strict sense of fairness, they weren't being cheated, because they knew what they were agreeing to. The question became, is it fair for them to come and play for a university earning around $200k (depending on the university) when their body in the school's uniform was generating millions.

Would you be okay with a $200k stipend when you are worth $1mil.+ in actual dollar bills? I don't think so.

It was unfair.

There is much more to be said, and you're not all wrong, but your sentiments are way off when talking about your first job versus an Otega Oweh, or an Anthony Davis-type player earning scholarship monies over what they could have made in cold, hard cash based on their values to the university.
 

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The whole argument players were not getting rewarded for what they did on the court, field, etc. is crap. Players were getting a free education, housing, food, traveling around the country, training of their craft, access to state of the art facilities, and on and on. Yet, some people want to argue that these players are making schools millions and are not getting their fair share. Why do they deserve a share? They knew what they were signing up for.
When I got my first job and my boss paid me peanuts while the owner of the company made millions. I did not expect or deserve a share. I knew the owner took all the risk, and paid all the bills and I was thankful for a job. Colleges are the same way. They take all the risk, pay all the up keep, building facilities, advertising, refs, lights, heat, air, etc... And there is always someone looking to sue you for something. Yet, players act like they are equal partners.
The product is the game and not the players. Players come and go. The NCAA needs to get their crap together and unite as one, that is the only way it will get fixed. The fans love the schools, not some jimmy or joe that is going to be their one year.
We have really screwed this up.
That is my soap box for today.
the difference is that your were THANKFUL to have a job
the players, like young workers entering the work force feel that they are ENTITLED to big $, even though they haven't proven anything
 

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I think the NBA’s one and done (and the NFL’s three and done) rule brought this issue to its breaking point.

If there had been no such rule and a viable and accepted minor league system in place (like there is in baseball), then you could fairly argue that nobody was forcing them to play college sports and, if they didn’t like it, they could just go the alternative route.

But the NBA and NFL rules made it look like basketball and football players essentially were being forced to play college ball so, jeez, shouldn’t they be getting a share of the enormous amount of revenue they help generate?

It pushed public sympathy squarely to the players’ side.
 

megablue

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I think the NBA’s one and done (and the NFL’s three and done) rule brought this issue to its breaking point.

If there had been no such rule and a viable and accepted minor league system in place (like there is in baseball), then you could fairly argue that nobody was forcing them to play college sports and, if they didn’t like it, they could just go the alternative route.

But the NBA and NFL rules made it look like basketball and football players essentially were being forced to play college ball so, jeez, shouldn’t they be getting a share of the enormous amount of revenue they help generate?

It pushed public sympathy squarely to the players’ side.
Good, thoughtful post ... points well-made.
 

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The difference between your first job and these athletes is that your first employer had a top-dog making money from his own hard work while you made peanuts. You were not the one generating the revenue.

Now, imagine it's your skills, name, and image that was generating millions for your company and you were still making peanuts. I don't think you would feel the same way about your income and the way your company was handling your employment.

Why do they deserve their fair share? Really?

Because it's fair!

Now, they originally came to college on the deal set by the NCAA, that included scholarships, room, board, etc. In the strict sense of fairness, they weren't being cheated, because they knew what they were agreeing to. The question became, is it fair for them to come and play for a university earning around $200k (depending on the university) when their body in the school's uniform was generating millions.

Would you be okay with a $200k stipend when you are worth $1mil.+ in actual dollar bills? I don't think so.

It was unfair.

There is much more to be said, and you're not all wrong, but your sentiments are way off when talking about your first job versus an Otega Oweh, or an Anthony Davis-type player earning scholarship monies over what they could have made in cold, hard cash based on their values to the university.
I just can not agree with you entirely. I do understand what you are saying, but it is like a glass that is half full; or is it half empty? We both see the same glass but see it differently.

I owned a maintenance company for many years. I made a ton of money around UL for years. I made this money by having those who worked for me doing a job that I hired them to do. They would show up, have a nice truck full of tools to drive to the job site and get paid. I had to pay for that truck, all the tools, workers comp insurance, business insurance, oh, the taxes I had to pay, well, it took me doing my part and my guys doing their part for my company to make money. I did share with them by giving out bonuses when I could.

These guys are not forced to work for me, they choose to work for me in exchange for a paycheck. My main guy would drive one of my trucks but he could not finish the job by himself having to have someone else go with him that day. Same with Anthony Davis or Otega, they can not win games by themselves so you need everyone doing their part.
Now, this is where one would say a guy like Davis should be paid more. In this sense, he was a great player but still can not win the game by himself and let's say you pay him more money. If my guys knew I was paying one guy more money then they were getting but doing the same job, I would have major issues and most likely need to keep an open door lookin for new employees.
This is what is happening in sports right now. An open door and no one can run a business like this.

If we are to pay players then it should be flat fee for the entire team. What would these highly paid players do if they flew to the other side of the country to play in a game only to find out they have no uniform to wear? So, we need to pay the managers as well. They are important too or your highly paid player better start packing his own bags.

Point is, where does it all end? If one of my guys did not do his job, it was me that got a call and then I had to send someone else to complete the task. All that takes money and at the end of the day, it was me who lost money that day all because of one man slacking.
So you pay a player like Davis, he either gets hurt or is having a crappy season but you still owe him all that money?

This is where you and I part ways. The guy who loaded my truck, hauled the 30 boxes of flooring up three flights of stairs is just as important as the guy who laid that floor. One has more skill and you reward him for that but if he screws up laying that floor, he is held responsible. When are playing going to be held responsible?

Life is a two way street and right now the players think they are untouchable. As good as Davis was, UK when they had players like the Unforgettables, they still sold out Rupp.
For me, the scene we see in sports today reflects that old saying, "the animals are running the zoo".

Other than todays politicians, who else gets paid and does not have to produce results?
 

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Players are getting paid but it’s still peanuts compared to the real money being made from games and revenue. Uk just needs to step their game up.
 
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The whole argument players were not getting rewarded for what they did on the court, field, etc. is crap. Players were getting a free education, housing, food, traveling around the country, training of their craft, access to state of the art facilities, and on and on. Yet, some people want to argue that these players are making schools millions and are not getting their fair share. Why do they deserve a share? They knew what they were signing up for.
When I got my first job and my boss paid me peanuts while the owner of the company made millions. I did not expect or deserve a share. I knew the owner took all the risk, and paid all the bills and I was thankful for a job. Colleges are the same way. They take all the risk, pay all the up keep, building facilities, advertising, refs, lights, heat, air, etc... And there is always someone looking to sue you for something. Yet, players act like they are equal partners.
The product is the game and not the players. Players come and go. The NCAA needs to get their crap together and unite as one, that is the only way it will get fixed. The fans love the schools, not some jimmy or joe that is going to be their one year.
We have really screwed this up.
That is my soap box for today.
NIL was forced on us by grifters that are making money off of it. It’s really that simple.
 
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BBN67

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We are witnessing the death of college athletics in five years it will be no setter than the G league or minor league baseball or arena football.
 

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For years I read on this board and from the super smart people like Matt Jones that we were basically running slaves by now paying the players.
 

MegaBlue05

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* making the schools billions, not millions

I don’t hate the new system as much as others. It just needed better guardrails such as NIL limits or some sort of salary cap (This will never happen without a players union and collective bargaining).

I thought the institutions held entirely too much power in the old days when a player had to sit a year to transfer, but his coach could take a new job at any time while under contract with zero penalty. The players could be ruled ineligible for receiving a free pizza, but the coach gets paid several million a year and gets free perks all over town.

Some are just mad the same 5 schools won’t dominate the sport every year, whether it’s Bama football or UK basketball. The bluebloods paid better in the old days (you’re naive to believe otherwise). Now, everyone pays about the same so the field is a little more level.

Lastly, there’s no putting the NIL toothpaste back in the tube, so we adapt and deal with it or whine for eternity. The choice is up to each individual. I went with the former.
 
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I just can not agree with you entirely. I do understand what you are saying, but it is like a glass that is half full; or is it half empty? We both see the same glass but see it differently.

I owned a maintenance company for many years. I made a ton of money around UL for years. I made this money by having those who worked for me doing a job that I hired them to do. They would show up, have a nice truck full of tools to drive to the job site and get paid. I had to pay for that truck, all the tools, workers comp insurance, business insurance, oh, the taxes I had to pay, well, it took me doing my part and my guys doing their part for my company to make money. I did share with them by giving out bonuses when I could.

These guys are not forced to work for me, they choose to work for me in exchange for a paycheck. My main guy would drive one of my trucks but he could not finish the job by himself having to have someone else go with him that day. Same with Anthony Davis or Otega, they can not win games by themselves so you need everyone doing their part.
Now, this is where one would say a guy like Davis should be paid more. In this sense, he was a great player but still can not win the game by himself and let's say you pay him more money. If my guys knew I was paying one guy more money then they were getting but doing the same job, I would have major issues and most likely need to keep an open door lookin for new employees.
This is what is happening in sports right now. An open door and no one can run a business like this.

If we are to pay players then it should be flat fee for the entire team. What would these highly paid players do if they flew to the other side of the country to play in a game only to find out they have no uniform to wear? So, we need to pay the managers as well. They are important too or your highly paid player better start packing his own bags.

Point is, where does it all end? If one of my guys did not do his job, it was me that got a call and then I had to send someone else to complete the task. All that takes money and at the end of the day, it was me who lost money that day all because of one man slacking.
So you pay a player like Davis, he either gets hurt or is having a crappy season but you still owe him all that money?

This is where you and I part ways. The guy who loaded my truck, hauled the 30 boxes of flooring up three flights of stairs is just as important as the guy who laid that floor. One has more skill and you reward him for that but if he screws up laying that floor, he is held responsible. When are playing going to be held responsible?

Life is a two way street and right now the players think they are untouchable. As good as Davis was, UK when they had players like the Unforgettables, they still sold out Rupp.
For me, the scene we see in sports today reflects that old saying, "the animals are running the zoo".

Other than todays politicians, who else gets paid and does not have to produce results?
I’d say one key difference is that when your guys went out on calls, millions of people weren’t watching what they were doing for entertainment and TV networks weren’t paying you billions of dollars for the opportunity to watch them do that.
 

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I’ll never understand how people will defend billionaires/large corporations. I’m conservative as can be, will never vote left, but how the heck is it so bad that things are set up in a way that billionaires can’t mooch off of us regular people? You worked for peanuts while the corporations make millions? That is not a flex at all. It’s sad that your mind is warped that way that you’re okay with getting taken advantage of. It’s always the middle class and poor defending monopolies and elites. I don’t get it. My only gripe with my own party.
 

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I’d say one key difference is that when your guys went out on calls, millions of people weren’t watching what they were doing for entertainment and TV networks weren’t paying you billions of dollars for the opportunity to watch them do that.
Correct, but where is the accountability for when those watching are not getting to see what they paid to see? Players want to be paid but do not want the responsibility that goes along with getting paid.
 
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The issue wasn’t necessarily universities paying kids directly, but the fact that the kids couldn’t go make some money elsewhere.

The kids on scholarship in the engineering school can go work somewhere and get paid.

The idea athletes can’t go make money elsewhere?! That’s an illogical and unfair argument.

I can understand NCAA ruling over the domain of college sports, but they have no authority off campus. Who are they to dictate what a kid can do, even better what local businesses can do?!
 

Old Blue Fart

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I’ll never understand how people will defend billionaires/large corporations. I’m conservative as can be, will never vote left, but how the heck is it so bad that things are set up in a way that billionaires can’t mooch off of us regular people? You worked for peanuts while the corporations make millions? That is not a flex at all. It’s sad that your mind is warped that way that you’re okay with getting taken advantage of. It’s always the middle class and poor defending monopolies and elites. I don’t get it. My only gripe with my own party.
Everyone has the choice to go to school and try and start a business. Granted, many of the top corporations were handed down but this country is made up of mom and pop businesses.
No one made me at 18 yrs old when I started working to put 20% back in a Fidelity account. Lucky for me my dad made me do that. 35 years later I had not only a retirement but a very nice 401 to retire and start my own business.

It is the politicians that made the laws that allow the rich to get richer. I had to work the first 3-4 months of every year just to put back enough to pay my taxes all because I had money from a retirement and a 401 coming in. But still, I clogged along making money but paying there my nose to get to do that.
It is still better than what one of my guys from Cuba described to me life there was.

You can either sit back and gripe that you are only getting a paycheck or try and make that paycheck work for you.
Your choice.
 

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Now that the horse is out of the barn, we are going to be forced to secure someone in Congress or other lawmaker to build a fence around these NIL and eligibility issues with the NCAA. It's the wild west right now and seems to change with the wind.
We need these 2 things on a level playing field with respect to whatever rules apply. All schools need to know the rules and abide by them or face consequences.
If we can recruit G League players or pros who haven't played, everyone should know it and be able to pursue them.
On Pope's radio show Monday, he wasn't even aware they could go after these players. He also said, 80% of the recruiting news about players is false. I tend to believe him. He stated we had a couple high caliber players that would be here next year. I tend to believe that too!
 

Tim0808

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Players are getting paid but it’s still peanuts compared to the real money being made from games and revenue. Uk just needs to step their game up.
UK has stepped up their game by building practice facilities, recruiting rooms, paying coaches, firing coaches that are not producing, etc.
Now, in 10 years when everyone is saying we need a renovation to facilities where does this money come from? It is not like UK is getting all this money and not reinvesting in the programs. Look at all the new facilities soccer, baseball, softball, renovation of Commonwealth Stadium, renovation of memorial, nutter field house, football practice facilities. It is an on going expense. Plus they are getting a free education. If that is not important, let them start paying for it.

Let's take Anthony Davis for example. How many UK fans buy his jersey if he is not wearing a Kentucky Jersey? I do not buy anything Anyhiny Davis in the Pros. How many Cooper Flagg jersey have UK fans bought? So, you can argue that the name on the front of the jersey is selling the jersey as much as the name on the back.

Let players go to the G League. They cannot make it without the college names. That is why players are willing to comeback to college now. No one really cares about the G Leagues.
 

NociHTTP

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I think the NBA’s one and done (and the NFL’s three and done) rule brought this issue to its breaking point.

If there had been no such rule and a viable and accepted minor league system in place (like there is in baseball), then you could fairly argue that nobody was forcing them to play college sports and, if they didn’t like it, they could just go the alternative route.

But the NBA and NFL rules made it look like basketball and football players essentially were being forced to play college ball so, jeez, shouldn’t they be getting a share of the enormous amount of revenue they help generate?

It pushed public sympathy squarely to the players’ side.
Public sympathy? There isn't a UK fan that I know (and a lot of my family and friends are UK fans) that is on the Player's side on this.
 
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People are worth what someone is willing to pay them. That's capitalism, folks. Didn’t realize so many here were fans of socialism/communism.
 
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The whole argument players were not getting rewarded for what they did on the court, field, etc. is crap. Players were getting a free education, housing, food, traveling around the country, training of their craft, access to state of the art facilities, and on and on. Yet, some people want to argue that these players are making schools millions and are not getting their fair share. Why do they deserve a share? They knew what they were signing up for.
When I got my first job and my boss paid me peanuts while the owner of the company made millions. I did not expect or deserve a share. I knew the owner took all the risk, and paid all the bills and I was thankful for a job. Colleges are the same way. They take all the risk, pay all the up keep, building facilities, advertising, refs, lights, heat, air, etc... And there is always someone looking to sue you for something. Yet, players act like they are equal partners.
The product is the game and not the players. Players come and go. The NCAA needs to get their crap together and unite as one, that is the only way it will get fixed. The fans love the schools, not some jimmy or joe that is going to be their one year.
We have really screwed this up.
That is my soap box for today.
I also despise, in principle, the concept of 99% of students going 100K in debt while having to pay everything on the side, meals, board, etc. while other students at the exact same academic institution are walking around as millionaires and having everything catered to them. That's way too big of a contrast in experience and treatment for 2 different students.
 

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Public sympathy? There isn't a UK fan that I know (and a lot of my family and friends are UK fans) that is on the Player's side on this.
This is true NOW, after seeing all the ugly chaos that has resulted. But a few years ago there was a real groundswell of public sentiment in support of this.

Again, I suspect all of this could’ve been avoided if the NBA and NFL just had a system like baseball and hockey, where there was an established, readily accepted and desirable alternative path available. Then the system would’ve seemed completely fair. If a player didn’t like the deal that college offered, then he could just go to the alternative route.

But it was the impression that football and basketball players were essentially being forced to work for no pay …when they really didn’t want to be there and were generating a fortune for the universities …that turned the public (and the Courts) off and led to these changes.
 
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The difference between your first job and these athletes is that your first employer had a top-dog making money from his own hard work while you made peanuts. You were not the one generating the revenue.

Now, imagine it's your skills, name, and image that was generating millions for your company and you were still making peanuts. I don't think you would feel the same way about your income and the way your company was handling your employment.

Why do they deserve their fair share? Really?

Because it's fair!

Now, they originally came to college on the deal set by the NCAA, that included scholarships, room, board, etc. In the strict sense of fairness, they weren't being cheated, because they knew what they were agreeing to. The question became, is it fair for them to come and play for a university earning around $200k (depending on the university) when their body in the school's uniform was generating millions.

Would you be okay with a $200k stipend when you are worth $1mil.+ in actual dollar bills? I don't think so.

It was unfair.

There is much more to be said, and you're not all wrong, but your sentiments are way off when talking about your first job versus an Otega Oweh, or an Anthony Davis-type player earning scholarship monies over what they could have made in cold, hard cash based on their values to the university.

1. You're allowed to be an amateur league. It's the NCAA's own league after all and is exactly why it was like that for over a hundred years.
2. The school is the one who generates the revenue. The brand. Kentucky, for example. Kentucky is the one who turns their hobby of playing basketball in the park into a product. Without college sports these players would have a 9-5 job or have to grind to make it to actual professionalism in the NBA, etc.
3. Nobody would care about Sahvir Wheeler if he wasn't wearing a Kentucky jersey and not 1 person has ever said "I'm going to the basketball game to watch Brandon Garrison." No, they say "I'm going to watch Kentucky.
4. The sooner you realize that this is actually just a coup and a scam run by agents and lawyers and players to just make money, the better it will be.
5. Don't even get me started on getting a guaranteed full sum of money before you do any work. No job in the world pays you a yearly salary if you underperform and are let go after 2 weeks. Which would essentially be like getting benched.
6. If you really think it's fair to treat them like employees, then they can be fired and let go, in fact that should be pretty common, especially at a place like Kentucky. And they should immediately be able to find a replacement for them. The truth is... this is nothing even remotely close to the real world application of most jobs. They aren't comparable.
 
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People are worth what someone is willing to pay them. That's capitalism, folks. Didn’t realize so many here were fans of socialism/communism.
Dumb argument. If a guy gets paid $3MM to come play here, and he plays like sh*t, everyone is going to hate on him and call him an overpaid bum, and rightfully so. What he's "worth" is immaterial to me. These players should have it engrained in them that when you get paid money like this, there is an expectation to deliver. Or the boosters' pockets may start running dry

I don't have to be happy for some punk kid "getting his bag" and then running off to the NBA at the earliest possible opportunity. Loser mentality
 

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I just can not agree with you entirely. I do understand what you are saying, but it is like a glass that is half full; or is it half empty? We both see the same glass but see it differently.

I owned a maintenance company for many years. I made a ton of money around UL for years. I made this money by having those who worked for me doing a job that I hired them to do. They would show up, have a nice truck full of tools to drive to the job site and get paid. I had to pay for that truck, all the tools, workers comp insurance, business insurance, oh, the taxes I had to pay, well, it took me doing my part and my guys doing their part for my company to make money. I did share with them by giving out bonuses when I could.

These guys are not forced to work for me, they choose to work for me in exchange for a paycheck. My main guy would drive one of my trucks but he could not finish the job by himself having to have someone else go with him that day. Same with Anthony Davis or Otega, they can not win games by themselves so you need everyone doing their part.
Now, this is where one would say a guy like Davis should be paid more. In this sense, he was a great player but still can not win the game by himself and let's say you pay him more money. If my guys knew I was paying one guy more money then they were getting but doing the same job, I would have major issues and most likely need to keep an open door lookin for new employees.
This is what is happening in sports right now. An open door and no one can run a business like this.

If we are to pay players then it should be flat fee for the entire team. What would these highly paid players do if they flew to the other side of the country to play in a game only to find out they have no uniform to wear? So, we need to pay the managers as well. They are important too or your highly paid player better start packing his own bags.

Point is, where does it all end? If one of my guys did not do his job, it was me that got a call and then I had to send someone else to complete the task. All that takes money and at the end of the day, it was me who lost money that day all because of one man slacking.
So you pay a player like Davis, he either gets hurt or is having a crappy season but you still owe him all that money?

This is where you and I part ways. The guy who loaded my truck, hauled the 30 boxes of flooring up three flights of stairs is just as important as the guy who laid that floor. One has more skill and you reward him for that but if he screws up laying that floor, he is held responsible. When are playing going to be held responsible?

Life is a two way street and right now the players think they are untouchable. As good as Davis was, UK when they had players like the Unforgettables, they still sold out Rupp.
For me, the scene we see in sports today reflects that old saying, "the animals are running the zoo".

Other than todays politicians, who else gets paid and does not have to produce results?
If you found a stud employee for your maintenance company who increased your revenue by ten-fold, you would then be faced with two choices: pay him what he is worth or watch another company pay him more and play second fiddle to the maintenance company across town.

College basketball has become a professional sport. That's the bottom line. As much as I love the nostalgic Pitino teams who played for the name on the front of the jersey, we are in the days of playing for the university that wants to put the most money in your bank account. You can come up with whatever kind of idea for player salary parity, but there is no truth to the idea that Walker Horn is as valuable to the 2025-2026 Kentucky Wildcats basketball team as Otega Oweh, or Jayden Quaintance.

Should there be rules in place to govern everything that is taking place? Absolutely. It's like the wild west right now. However, players should be paid whatever someone is willing to pay them. Your value as an athlete is determined by what team wants to pay you what amount to play for them.

To your point about Rupp being sold out even for the Unforgettables, that's true. However, a new coach with passion and a team with grit may work for one year of 14-14, but UK would not have survived generating revenue year after year with those results. Kentucky was truly brought back to national prominence with a certain kid, last name Mashburn. Kentucky was on TV making money because they were good, and they were good, in large part because of Mashburn.

What was the most popular team in the early 90s, though? Who made the most money? I would guess Michigan, because of the players they had. Possibly Duke or UNC, but Michigan was everywhere on the television. Shouldn't the Fab Five have received portions of the money their name, image, likeness generated? Were there other players on the team? Yeah. Were they as valuable to the team on the court? Some nights, maybe. Were they responsible for driving up the revenue for the UM men's basketball team during those few years? No.

Point is, comparing athletes to industrial work is relatively unhelpful. Most folks know how to drive a truck. With a little help, most men can do a good job swinging a hammer and feeling their way around a job site. We're talking work valued in the $100ks, low millions at best. These collegiate level athletes are nearly professional, and would obliterate nearly every average Joe because they've given their entire childhood to their craft. If millions/billions are being generated by their skills, they deserve to benefit from it.

That's all.
 
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travisbickle

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Correct, but where is the accountability for when those watching are not getting to see what they paid to see? Players want to be paid but do not want the responsibility that goes along with getting paid.
I think that’s the push and pull of the market. If everyone stopped watching college basketball/football/etc then we’d see the change. I just don’t think that’s going to happen in any meaningful way but maybe I’m wrong.

I think those of us who post on message boards probably represent the top 5% of fans in terms of engagement but the vast majority of fans who watch games don’t follow it as closely as we do so I feel like we get a skewed version of the reality of big time college athletics but all just MHO.
 

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1. You're allowed to be an amateur league. It's the NCAA's own league after all and is exactly why it was like that for over a hundred years.
2. The school is the one who generates the revenue. The brand. Kentucky, for example. Kentucky is the one who turns their hobby of playing basketball in the park into a product. Without college sports these players would have a 9-5 job or have to grind to make it to actual professionalism in the NBA, etc.
3. Nobody would care about Sahvir Wheeler if he wasn't wearing a Kentucky jersey and not 1 person has ever said "I'm going to the basketball game to watch Brandon Garrison." No, they say "I'm going to watch Kentucky.
4. The sooner you realize that this is actually just a coup and a scam run by agents and lawyers and players to just make money, the better it will be.
5. Don't even get me started on getting a guaranteed full sum of money before you do any work. No job in the world pays you a yearly salary if you underperform and are let go after 2 weeks. Which would essentially be like getting benched.
6. If you really think it's fair to treat them like employees, then they can be fired and let go, in fact that should be pretty common, especially at a place like Kentucky. And they should immediately be able to find a replacement for them. The truth is... this is nothing even remotely close to the real world application of most jobs. They aren't comparable.
"5. Don't even get me started on getting a guaranteed full sum of money before you do any work. No job in the world pays you a yearly salary if you underperform and are let go after 2 weeks. Which would essentially be like getting benched."

What is the difference between current college athletics and the pros? Professional athletes sign long-term contracts all the time without doing the work of their contract. Most of them have tons of guaranteed money written in.
 

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Dumb argument. If a guy gets paid $3MM to come play here, and he plays like sh*t, everyone is going to hate on him and call him an overpaid bum, and rightfully so. What he's "worth" is immaterial to me. These players should have it engrained in them that when you get paid money like this, there is an expectation to deliver. Or the boosters' pockets may start running dry

I don't have to be happy for some punk kid "getting his bag" and then running off to the NBA at the earliest possible opportunity. Loser mentality
Lol. Just because something is worth a certain value doesn't mean you're going to feel you got what you paid for it. In this case, you paid nothing. So your entire argument is essentially moot.

Who said you had to he happy? It sounds more like you're upset a young person is generating wealth most will likely never obtain.
 
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LadyCaytIL

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So players , human beings in the capitalist united states shouldnt have rights to make money off their likeness?

Now I understand why you all have a problem with it, because we're struggling like hell in this era and that my friends is thanks to Barnhart and people at UK. Barnhart wants rules in place so badly that he's handcuffing us before there are any real rules. Pretty freaking hard to win when everyone is playing chess with NIL and we're playing mouse trap.
 

travisbickle

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Dumb argument. If a guy gets paid $3MM to come play here, and he plays like sh*t, everyone is going to hate on him and call him an overpaid bum, and rightfully so. What he's "worth" is immaterial to me. These players should have it engrained in them that when you get paid money like this, there is an expectation to deliver. Or the boosters' pockets may start running dry

I don't have to be happy for some punk kid "getting his bag" and then running off to the NBA at the earliest possible opportunity. Loser mentality
I think if there is big reform that happens, one aspect should be tying TEAM performance to part of the payment. Just like pro contracts have built in escalators for various levels of success. Maybe even individually as well above a base salary but that of course could get tricky when you’re talking about 19 yr olds.

I’d be fine with everyone on the basketball team getting a bonus if we win the regular season SEC for example. Think it would fix a lot of the opt outs or players shitting it down early.

I’m sure there are problems with that but I’m not claiming to know all the answers, but performance should play a role. If college sports are professional now (which they obviously are) then treat all aspects like the pros with slight tweaks. Models are already there to draw from.
 
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UK has stepped up their game by building practice facilities, recruiting rooms, paying coaches, firing coaches that are not producing, etc.
Now, in 10 years when everyone is saying we need a renovation to facilities where does this money come from? It is not like UK is getting all this money and not reinvesting in the programs. Look at all the new facilities soccer, baseball, softball, renovation of Commonwealth Stadium, renovation of memorial, nutter field house, football practice facilities. It is an on going expense. Plus they are getting a free education. If that is not important, let them start paying for it.

Let's take Anthony Davis for example. How many UK fans buy his jersey if he is not wearing a Kentucky Jersey? I do not buy anything Anyhiny Davis in the Pros. How many Cooper Flagg jersey have UK fans bought? So, you can argue that the name on the front of the jersey is selling the jersey as much as the name on the back.

Let players go to the G League. They cannot make it without the college names. That is why players are willing to comeback to college now. No one really cares about the G Leagues.
We are seeing players every year now that bypass college and get drafted with top picks. CBB needs great players and high end talent far more than they need it. They are coming back to CBB now because it's more profitable since NIL.