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HymanKaplan

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If you go to NYC and wear UK gear, you get a lot of nods, respect. There are even some diehard UK sports bars (Jack Demsey's for instance) where they treat you like royalty.

10 or so years ago, my wife and I and another couple were visiting (for a Giants/Packers game) and took in a UK game at Demsey's. A group of black women came in, after they got off work at the Empire State Building. They started talking to us, and couldn't have been nicer. My wife had never "done" the tour of the ESB, and said the line looked too long to deal with. One of the girls gave us her cell, and said to call her the next day and she'd "take care of us", which she did. We got there, called her, she came outside/met us, and took us straight up to the top/private tour etc.

The manager also gave us several shots of various bourbons "on the house'
 

notFromhere

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Let us hope not. It would be an enormous distraction from the domestic successes. Teddy Roosevelt could swing the big stick down there because he didn’t have an invasion of Muslims and illegals on his hands and a traitorous opposition party at home. Stick to the basics, Donald.



Wow... What did Venezuela do to pish off Netanyahu?
 
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notFromhere

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Stoops has ended up with Hamdan because he runs off good Coordinators.

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He runs a loose ship, look at our record after bye weeks, it’s ridiculous.

AGREED.

After 13 years he still has no idea how to manage the clock at the end of half or the game.

Agreed. It's astounding

The dude plays games against top opponents not to win, but to not get blown out.

Agreed.

He did some good things here,

Yep

but it’s time before he ruins his legacy.

According to some people, he hasn't and doesn't have a legacy "from day 1."
 

HymanKaplan

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Like I've said many times. Most of Stoops' problems are a function of being a defensive-minded/DC coordinator HC at Kentucky. That, IMO, puts you behind the 8-ball from the start. Offense is exponentially more difficult to build and sustain than a defense. It makes sense then, that you need the guy that IS going to be here year in and year out, to be the lynchpin of that system.

I'm not saying you have to take a flyer on a radically different guy like Mumme (who DID know how to run an offense, but had none of the other skills a HC needs). It can be just about any system, as long as it is consistent, year after year after year.

It's a lot more important at a place like UK, than it is at powerhouse programs, where talent can sometimes overcome the need for in-house player development that is geared towards a system that they know will be the same in their junior year as it was when they first got here.

Just my 2 cents.

Our fanbase is sore as hell, watching what Cignetti is doing at IU, and thinking, "How can effing Indiana do it and we can't?"

Look at Cignetti's background, and which side of the ball he specializes in...

Look at Brohm/UL

Look at MOST coaches that have success at programs that are not "traditional" powers...

This is also why I don't agree with the Jon Sumrall worship. I don't think he'd be a good hire for Kentucky.
 
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AustinTXCat

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Like I've said many times. Most of Stoops' problems are a function of being a defensive-minded/DC coordinator HC at Kentucky. That, IMO, puts you behind the 8-ball from the start. Offense is exponentially more difficult to build and sustain than a defense. It makes sense then, that you need the guy that IS going to be here year in and year out, to be the lynchpin of that system.

I'm not saying you have to take a flyer on a radically different guy like Mumme (who DID know how to run an offense, but had none of the other skills a HC needs). It can be just about any system, as long as it is consistent, year after year after year.

It's a lot more important at a place like UK, than it is at powerhouse programs, where talent can sometimes overcome the need for in-house player development that is geared towards a system that they know will be the same in their junior year as it was when they first got here.

Just my 2 cents.

Our fanbase is sore as hell, watching what Cignetti is doing at IU, and thinking, "How can effing Indiana do it and we can't?"

Look at Cignetti's background, and which side of the ball he specializes in...

Look at Brohm/UL

Look at MOST coaches that have success at programs that are not "traditional" powers...

This is also why I don't agree with the Jon Sumrall worship. I don't think he'd be a good hire for Kentucky.
One of the managers at local Truist bank in Austin played for Hal Mumme at Copperas Cove HS. When Mumme took Iowa Weslyan job with Mike Leach, this manager nearly followed him, but decided to remain in TX. Mgr said if you have disciplined personnel, Mumme offense can overcome lack of talent in many cases. Thing of beauty when it's synced.
 

HymanKaplan

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Leach and Josh Heupel are proof of what the Mumme system "tree" can accomplish (IF you're willing to not IGNORE what is going on around you, and not hire "buddies")

I think the reticence to hire Leach instead of Stoops, back in the day (because of the Mumme "stain") was a mistake that we're still paying for. Yes, Leach had some issues at Tech, but here is the rub; that kind of stuff doesn't bother the REST of the SEC. And so you see where THAT gets you.
 
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AustinTXCat

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Leach and Josh Heupel are proof of what the Mumme system "tree" can accomplish (IF you're willing to not IGNORE what is going on around you, and only hire "buddies")

I think the reticence to hire Leach instead of Stoops, back in the day (because of the Mumme "stain") was a mistake that we're still paying for. Yes, Leach had some issues at Tech, but here is the rub; that kind of stuff doesn't bother the REST of the SEC. And so you see where THAT gets you.
If I remember correctly, Wildcat football and basketball both on probation during 1977-78 season. Yet football wins SEC (technically) behind Derrick Ramsey, Art Still + several other studs while BB wins Natty over Duke.

Agree. Craig James and son crap was a bunch of BS at TTU.

You are correct. Attitudes and mindsets linger. MissSt. took a chance on "The Pirate". He delivered decent results. Definitely missed.

Someday, before I'm gone, Wildcat football will turn it around.
 

Beatle Bum

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The lack of self-awareness is astonishing.





BTW - YOU look like this dude...



The “tolerant” left making comments and generalizations about people’s looks. Oh so very high level. Talking about the hubris that comes with having a pretty girlfriend while being tone deaf about the embarrassing hubris that comes with artistic and financial success. The irony of not understanding the value of humility.

And, it was news to me to learn that the ugly guys who get the hot girls have small penises. That news flash is going to wreak havoc if it disseminates.

(aside: my hot wife is laughing as I post this)
 

Beatle Bum

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I wish that clip showed the response, because rather than hear the positive news about praising the release of 20 hostages it appeared that West and someone else were anxious to address only the praise Jennings gave to Trump. Maybe I would be pleasantly surprised if that was not the case with if the whole clip was offered. IDK, because I only see that show in clips on this thread. lol
 

Beatle Bum

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Beatle Bum

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24 scheduled across Kentucky including one within walking distance from my house, 3-4 PM. Yeah that'll show 'em. Come out and protest for 1 full hour. Wimps.
Put a crown on your head and drape a flag over your shoulders, grab your scepter ( 😝) and go join the fun!

Me? I am waiting for “No Godzillas” and “No Unicorns” Days to get my Barney costume on and protest!!
 
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In 2002 I was a student at UK, I was at every Kentucky home football game that year, but the Bluegrass Miracle.

I was at home in western Kentucky and was watching the game with my dad (who loves Kentucky football more than basketball, was a football season ticket holder from the 1970s until just a few years ago.)

When LSU scored, my dad didn't say a word, he walked out at the back door and wasn't seen for hours. He owned about 100 acres back then, I don't know where he went. His truck was still there, I asked him years later where he went and he couldn't remember haha. It was like he just walked out into the woods...despondent.

I think its very telling the best UK teams in the modern era all had at worst a balanced attack and at best a run heavy attack.

I know our fans clamor for entertainment but they really just want to throw the ball. Throwing the ball netted us exactly one ok year that should've been way better considering we had the top overall pick.

I wonder if we're the only fan base that just wants to throw the ball, no matter what? Im guessing yes.
 
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I wonder if any Kentucky football fans have tried grief counseling to cope with it all.




This pic really encapsulates Kentucky football:


Ice cream trucks at practice and literally giving up vs Arkansas and blaming lightning.

What a disaster. Just hired a few months apart from Billy G. That was a good set of hires huh.
 
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Leach and Josh Heupel are proof of what the Mumme system "tree" can accomplish (IF you're willing to not IGNORE what is going on around you, and not hire "buddies")

I think the reticence to hire Leach instead of Stoops, back in the day (because of the Mumme "stain") was a mistake that we're still paying for. Yes, Leach had some issues at Tech, but here is the rub; that kind of stuff doesn't bother the REST of the SEC. And so you see where THAT gets you.

Heupel is so far removed from the air raid, it isnt even the same offense.

For years, UK fans clamored for Leach. Said he'd kill it in the SEC. Leach gets hired by MSU and has exactly one decent season, all driven by his dc. Iirc UK intercepted Leach 6 times and handed him the first shutout ever in his career.

I don't understand the Leach fantasy of our fan base. Its like some mix of a mandela effect and an alternate reality.
 

cole@854

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@cole@854 - Your dislike of Kentucky basketball is well documented on here. But, and maybe I'm mistaken here, I thought you were, at heart, a Kentucky Football fan. Yet you seem to almost relish in their lack of success. Please explain yourself. LOL (or set the record straight.)

Being a Cowboys, Yankees, UNC basketball fan, spawned during those teams' pinnacle of success, you seem to take the "easy way". That doesn't jibe with being a Kentucky Football fan. LOL ;)

Nope...just a long term position of seeing medicority accepted as some sort of success, which is what you are seeing w/ Stoops. He defines mediocrity, and watching the almighty dollar dictate UK's position w/ him is disgusting.

Cowyboys, Yankees....those were spawned as a youth, well before I knew their history. You should understand this w/ your cheesehead fanship (see Vince and Bart)

UNC.....too long a story to share on here.
 

HymanKaplan

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I wonder what “ski” is up to nowadays?
Probably still about 6' 7" :ROFLMAO:

Do you remember, in PeeWee Football, he was sitting on the sideline (on his helmet, with his leg sticking out), and Craig Rushing ran a sweep, got knocked out of bounds, landed on Mike's leg, and broke it? LOL His teammate broke his leg.

This is why you ALWAYS have a "GET BACK" coach! LOL

BTW - Craig Rushing was a BEAST. If he played in that age group NOW, they'd put an X on his helmet, meaning he wouldn't be allowed to run the ball. True story. (Positive you knew this, but his Dad was Dick Rushing, who played for Bear Bryant at UK)
 
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HeismanWinner

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There is nothing in nature, that can induce a "fugue state" quite like Kentucky Football. There is science to back that up.
Kentucky football is like a terrible restaurant that everyone hopes might actually serve a good meal once in a 70-year span.

For the last 20 years of this forum, I’ve watched the Lair make the most absurd optimistic predictions every year without ever wising up.

The bright spot of the season in the 90s for us would be to travel two hours to commonwealth to see them face a ranked team just so we knew what it was like to watch a good football team so that meant watching Florida beat the piss out of us like 56-7 regularly.
 

TheFrontRunner

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I think its very telling the best UK teams in the modern era all had at worst a balanced attack and at best a run heavy attack.

I know our fans clamor for entertainment but they really just want to throw the ball. Throwing the ball netted us exactly one ok year that should've been way better considering we had the top overall pick.

I wonder if we're the only fan base that just wants to throw the ball, no matter what? Im guessing yes.

Bigblue, my post you responded too had nothing to do with some fans wanting to throw the ball all the time haha. Did you mean to respond to someone else's post?
 

HymanKaplan

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I clearly said that the "system" doesn't matter as much as having a HC that runs the offense, and listed the reasons why I think it's more important at a place like Kentucky. The Leach/Mumme/Heupel sidebar (far removed or NOT, at the present time, doesn't negate the fact that he is a direct descendent of that coaching tree) was a separate discussion.
 

Lost In FL

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If you go to NYC and wear UK gear, you get a lot of nods, respect. There are even some diehard UK sports bars (Jack Demsey's for instance) where they treat you like royalty.

10 or so years ago, my wife and I and another couple were visiting (for a Giants/Packers game) and took in a UK game at Demsey's. A group of black women came in, after they got off work at the Empire State Building. They started talking to us, and couldn't have been nicer. My wife had never "done" the tour of the ESB, and said the line looked too long to deal with. One of the girls gave us her cell, and said to call her the next day and she'd "take care of us", which she did. We got there, called her, she came outside/met us, and took us straight up to the top/private tour etc.

The manager also gave us several shots of various bourbons "on the house'
and the cell number was ...? hook us up man!!
 

Kattonik

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My father unleashed a torrent of obscenities when Cris Collinsworth caught a disputed pass down the sideline that set up a winning Florida FG in 1980. The Clown's jaw had to be picked up off the ground.

I met Collinsworth in Cincy one time in the late 2000's while standing in line at First Watch, and shared that story with him. He got a big kick out of it (of course), and picked up the tab for me and my wife. LOL

The Bluegrass Miracle though... THAT was when I really started to think that my Dad and I should start thinking about not attending games anymore. LOL The old man... well; I'd never seen him that dis-heartened.
Was his dad lincoln collinsworth who played on Ky’s 1958 basketball team?