POLITICAL THREAD

[HymanKaplan]

Joe KIng, I'm not explaining myself correctly. Teachers do not pay into social security, that is true. BUT, most teachers will work Summer jobs etc. specifically TO pay into Social Security, and accumulate the necessary 40 quarters. And now, the new law is that their benefit will not be reduced because they are drawing a teacher pension (before, that wasn't the case. The government could reduce their benefit by x amount. That law has been changed. But teachers have always been able to get a SS benefit provided they have, as I said, worked enough quarters (40) to be eligible for a SS retirement benefit. Don't forget, a lot of them probably worked jobs as teenagers/HS students/college students etc. and that all counts towards it. So, it's not difficult to reach the threshold.

 

[TheFrontRunner]

 

[Joe-King]

Joe KIng, I'm not explaining myself correctly. Teachers do not pay into social security, that is true. BUT, most teachers will work Summer jobs etc. specifically TO pay into Social Security, and accumulate the necessary 40 quarters. And now, the new law is that their benefit will not be reduced because they are drawing a teacher pension (before, that wasn't the case. The government could reduce their benefit by x amount. That law has been changed. But teachers have always been able to get a SS benefit provided they have, as I said, worked enough quarters (40) to be eligible for a SS retirement benefit. Don't forget, a lot of them probably worked jobs as teenagers/HS students/college students etc. and that all counts towards it. So, it's not difficult to reach the threshold.

Ok I understand that and it makes sense. The teachers my wife referred to apparently did not work those types of jobs, instead they broke their pay up to where they would draw a check through the summer.

I wonder if it changed for railroad workers as well, my neighbor from years ago that he did not draw SS when he retired.

 

[berniecarbo]

Joe KIng, I'm not explaining myself correctly. Teachers do not pay into social security, that is true. BUT, most teachers will work Summer jobs etc. specifically TO pay into Social Security, and accumulate the necessary 40 quarters. And now, the new law is that their benefit will not be reduced because they are drawing a teacher pension (before, that wasn't the case. The government could reduce their benefit by x amount. That law has been changed. But teachers have always been able to get a SS benefit provided they have, as I said, worked enough quarters (40) to be eligible for a SS retirement benefit. Don't forget, a lot of them probably worked jobs as teenagers/HS students/college students etc. and that all counts towards it. So, it's not difficult to reach the threshold.

Question: Can a teacher say, retire from KY, then go to another state and also retire from there, drawing two retirements? Just something I heard.

 

[sefus12]

This is only possible because 1) the MSM has no repercussions for constantly being wrong and 2) their viewers are dumb enough to believe the incorrect news they peddle.

 

[berniecarbo]

Ok I understand that and it makes sense. The teachers my wife referred to apparently did not work those types of jobs, instead they broke their pay up to where they would draw a check through the summer.

I wonder if it changed for railroad workers as well, my neighbor from years ago that he did not draw SS when he retired.

I worked with a guy years ago who retired from the railroad, retired from the job we were working, and I suppose was then able to draw SS for a total of 3 pensions.

 

[AustinTXCat]

** Wise Words Department **

“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.”

– Confucius

 

[warrior-cat]

I'm always going to 'correct' a person that is either willfully or ignorantly wrong about an issue (like the ridiculous argument about teachers/social security etc. earlier)

I've tried to make an effort to keep it to one response though.

Which one?

 

[Anon1751658263]

No, you're a DA who acts like every fool that views things like it's a sports team and you have to be an apologist for a coach. "You're not a fan if you don't blindly support this," I've been on here in support of this guy for over 10 years on this same board. I'm more right wing than all of you. The cope people like you have is so absurd. Watching you switch positions with whatever you're told to in that moment or the thinking it's some "4D CHESS!" to act like it's somehow a MAGA position to be about H-1B Visas (Something that made everyone turn on Vivek because it's not a popular position), or saying we need 600k Chinese students in this country, or prioritizing another country, still giving foreign aid, and being involved in foreign conflicts.

"You don't have a firm grasp on MAGA." Oh, the MAGA that's now turning into the same neocon garbage we rejected in the first place? You're every bit as bad as the dolts on the left who act like blind apologists.

Trying way too hard. Your reaction tells me all I need to know. Not agreeing with Trump on some things is fine. Whining, moaning, pitching about everything he does everyday is another. Of course, that's when you aren't busy blaming a tiny country in the middle east for everything bad in the world. You would fit right in with leftists with dish rags on your head chasing Jewish students off campus.

 

[Anon1761688510]

Your math, your information, and your logic are all a complete disaster.

Most teachers contribute 9 percent into KTRS plus 6.2 percent SS for non-teaching work = 15.2
Non-certified workers contribute 6 percent (plus 6.2 percent to Social Security) = 12.2

It only takes a paltry 44 quarters to qualify for SS benefits, so the vast majority of teachers will get both a very generous teacher pension AND SS benefits. In addition, because of the newly passed WEP SS Act, teachers will no longer have their SS benefits penalized.

Not only that but current retirees will actually get retro pay, which will necessarily have to be subsidized by the rest of the SS contributors. IOW, Teachers will be sucking off the SS tit of everyone ELSE. That ALONE is a complete contradiction of your witless argument.

Non-teaching positions pay 6 percent into the retirement system but they ALSO pay into SS, IOW they pay into BOTH, and they do so for their entire working life. So, how exactly are non-teaching position retirees "sucking off benefits" from teachers? Over their working life, non teacher retirees will pay exponentially more into SS than teachers will.

It doesn't stop there. Teachers get 1.5 percent COLA adjustments to their retirement benefits, whereas non-teaching retirees have not received a COLA adjustment since 2011. The state benefits that teachers get is substantially higher, as a percentage of their working salary than non-hazardous/non-certified state employees. The average benefit for a non-certified county/state retiree in Kentucky is about 2100 dollars a month. The average teacher retiree gets about 3350 dollars a month, and as I said, they will get a SS benefit.


Your post is a complete and utter failure in every single way.

You're terrible at this, and so you should probably just STFU about it because you're embarrassing yourself.

#1---You're wrong as usual. You left off the mandatory 3.75 percent taken out for retiree health insurance from every check.
9.2+3.75= 12.95 percent of every check going into retirement benefits. Plus the 6.2 percent coming out in non teaching paychecks. That is a total of 19.15 percent of monies earned.
That doesn't even include the money deducted for current health insurance, disability, 401ks, state/local/federal taxes, and medicare.
Also---You are correct that teacher retirees receive a yearly 1.5 percent COLA but conveniently left off the fact that SS recipients will be receiving a 2.8 percent COLA just this year to account for inflation. It was 2.5 percent for SS in 2025.
Teachers did not get any of that increase for their pension.

#2---My point was NOT to disparage any non teaching position in schools or what those folks contribute to society via their position or taxation. It was to point out that they pay into SS and not the KY state teacher retirement system. School aides and other non teaching personnel work their azzes off for half the money teachers make. They have a special place in heaven.

#3---My point was to educate the fools on here that beat their chests constantly and ignorantly claim that they are paying for teacher's retirement with their tax dollars.
Teachers, like the private sector, pay a portion of EVERY PAYCHECK into their retirement system (Just like SS recipients do) and, in fact, pay a higher percentage of their paycheck into that pension than the private sector does into SS.

#4---By the logic of the fools on here that they are paying for my pension with their tax dollars....I am paying for their SS benefits with my contributions to SS....Therefore they are "sucking off" of my tax contributions in retirement as well.

#5---You're not nearly as smart as you fancy yourself to be and missed the entire context of this conversation prior to jumping in with your worthless drivel.

 

[SenseMaker_Cats]

 

[warrior-cat]

Question: Can a teacher say, retire from KY, then go to another state and also retire from there, drawing two retirements? Just something I heard.

I think they can. I played softball with a teacher whose wife was also a teacher, and they retired from teaching in Lawton OK, and then started teaching in Tennessee and are now retired from there and I believe he told me he draws 2. Not completely sure but I believe he said that.

Edited: I looked it up and the answer is yes with caveats such as other benefits being drawn and they must check with each state understanding the coverage of benefits (not monetary types) and which state covers what.

 

[Anon1761688510]

false. you are a moron. thank you for proving it.

you're too dumb to even know your problem, Sam. Simple Sam... but thanks for outing yourself.

State one fact I provided that is incorrect Floriduh.
Teachers pay a mandatory higher percentage of their paycheck towards their pension than SS recipients do in the private sector.
That is a fact.
You are not supporting my retirement with your tax dollars any more than I am supporting yours with any SS/Medicare deductions I pay.

You provide no intelligent conversation. Only insults and moronic posts.

 

[cordmaker 74]

I noticed in this latest attack he stayed away from me. Simple veiled references/inferences were just too hard for is feeble mind to handle. Shooting fish in a barrel. LOL. What kind of fish do they have in Cananda? Minnows?

It's called a gullible fish WC

 

[cole@854]

#3---My point was to educate the fools on here that beat their chests constantly and ignorantly claim that they are paying for teacher's retirement with their tax dollars.
Teachers, like the private sector, pay a portion of EVERY PAYCHECK into their retirement system (Just like SS recipients do) and, in fact, pay a higher percentage of their paycheck into that pension than the private sector does into SS.

The Kentucky General Assembly contributes to the TRS in a big way, you clueless dolt. Where do they get their money.....an ATM?

https://trs.ky.gov/news/trs-receives-full-funding-plus-for-2024-26/

Of course, this didn't happen from 2007-2016 thanks to Daddy Andy's daddy.

 

[Beatle Bum]

In Kentucky teachers do not get SS, AND if their spouse (non-teacher) was drawing SS and dies the SS dies as well.

I did not say they did get SS. No one did.

 

[HymanKaplan]

#1---You're wrong as usual. You left off the mandatory 3.75 percent taken out for retiree health insurance from every check.
9.2+6.2+3.75= 19.15 percent of every check going into retirement benefits.
That doesn't even include the money deducted for health insurance, disability, 401ks, state/local/federal taxes, and medicare.
Also---You are correct that teacher retirees receive a yearly 1.5 percent COLA but conveniently left off the fact that SS recipients will be receiving a 2.8 percent COLA just this year to account for inflation. It was 2.5 percent for SS in 2025.
Teachers did not get any of that increase for their pension.

#2---My point was NOT to disparage any non teaching position in schools or what those folks contribute to society via their position or taxation. It was to point out that they pay into SS and not the KY state teacher retirement system. School aides and other non teaching personnel work their azzes off for half the money teachers make. They have a special place in heaven.

#3---My point was to educate the fools on here that beat their chests constantly and ignorantly claim that they are paying for teacher's retirement with their tax dollars.
Teachers, like the private sector, pay a portion of EVERY PAYCHECK into their retirement system (Just like SS recipients do) and, in fact, pay a higher percentage of their paycheck into that pension than the private sector does into SS.

#4---By the logic of the fools on here that they are paying for my pension with their tax dollars....I am paying for their SS benefits with my contributions to SS....Therefore they are "sucking off" of my tax contributions in retirement as well.

#5---You're not nearly as smart as you fancy yourself to be and missed the entire context of this conversation prior to jumping in with your worthless drivel.

You've somehow managed to take what was already an incorrect and stupid position, and in defiance of all logic and reason, make it even worse.

What a worthless screed. 5 bullet points of back-peddling and non sequiturs. I was responding to YOUR argument that SS recipients were going to be parasitically sponging off of teacher SS contributions, and that MOST people only contribute 6.2 percent towards SS. Newsflash Einstein. That is what EVERYBODY pays. And thanks to the WEP, when teachers start getting their retro pay, it will be the rest of us that ARE going to have to make up the difference. And why do I say that, because the rest of us will have paid a LOT more INTO the SS fund than teachers. Surely I don't have to explain WHY that is the case.

You said, and I quote, "You will be sucking off every Teacher's second job SS contributions in your retirement while you only contributed half of what they did towards their pension."

That is a completely false statement. I told you how much classified pay into the CERS and SS, and it is WAY more than half of what teachers pay. So you're wrong.

Setting aside state and county employees, and just considering private sector workers. They probably have to set aside MORE than teachers, because unlike KTRS pensioners, they don't get a sweet defined benefit plan. So, on TOP of the 6.2 percent for SS, they have to invest heavily in 401K's etc. to supply MOST of their retirement income needs. You exhibit a stunning lack of awareness about the most basic issues.

And I can all but guarantee you that you don't want to start comparing health insurance costs/premiums that teachers pay compared to what private sector employees shell out. And again, EVERYONE pays FICA, state, local, Federal income taxes, so prattling on about how teachers bear that burden is, well... ODD.

Oh, and before I forget, you seem to think, inexplicably, that the KTRS is sustained solely by member contributions. If you DO believe that, and that tax-payers don't pay "the bulk of your retirement" then you have bigger problems than I thought. KTRS is funded by three sources. Member contributions, school district contributions (tax dollars), and the state budget contributions (tax dollars). So, in baseball terms, you've earned the golden sombrero. IOW - you've struck out FOUR TIMES, genius.

So, equivocate and reframe all you want, but it won't change the fact that it's nothing more than childish grousing. And frankly, it makes you come across like an out of touch/spoiled simpleton. This isn't surprising though, because that sort of sheltered "out of touch with the real world" attitude is, in my considerable experience, extremely common amongst public school educators.

Now, beat it mush brain.

 

[HymanKaplan]

And with respect to point # 5 - I'm every BIT as smart as I think I am.

But hey, if you want to keep bickering about it, I'm happy to keep handing your a$$ to you.

Well, what's LEFT of it anyway.

 

[Joe-King]

I did not say they did get SS. No one did.

Sorry Bum, I did not mean to imply you did, I was just referring how JCPS did do it. Blue Dave stated they can draw a spouse's SS as the rule changed last year, then The Clown brought up the fact that many worked different jobs where they paid SS so they could draw SS on deductions they paid working outside of the school system.

Now gosh darn it did I get this right, that effin clown stated throwing effin number crap around now I got a throbbing headache....LOL

 

[HymanKaplan]

Joe King - Well, and I think I can speak for everyone; thank GOD that teachers work those second jobs, because those SS contributions are what will sustain the rest of us in our times of need.

 

[Joe-King]

Joe King - Well, and I think I can speak for everyone; thank GOD that teachers work those second jobs, because those SS contributions are what will sustain the rest of us in our times of need.

Hope so too, I need my 3300.00.

 

[Joe-King]

Well, I think I'm going to go sit on my swing, have a cold beer, then hopefully mow for the last time this year. I been waiting too long then by the time start to do it, it's dark. Maybe I need some of those ten zillion watt lights to mount on the mower

 

[HeismanWinner]

They didn’t do it for free! They get backpay during that entire time. They get $10K and we need a press conference for it?

 

[Joe-King]

Joe King - Well, and I think I can speak for everyone; thank GOD that teachers work those second jobs, because those SS contributions are what will sustain the rest of us in our times of need.

One other thing about JCPS pensions, they can have a little extra taken out of pay, then when they pass the spouse will draw that pension as well. Not the SS, but the pension. I wish they had something like that where I retired from as the spouse will only draw a percentage which usually is not much.

 

[Joe-King]

They didn’t do it for free! They get backpay during that entire time. They get $10K and we need a press conference for it?

I'm glad they got it.

 

[HymanKaplan]

For Joe King:

100,000 lumen flashlight. LOL

 

[cole@854]

They didn’t do it for free! They get backpay during that entire time. They get $10K and we need a press conference for it?

Backpay is irrelevant....and yes, they did it for free when they didn't get a check.....and yes, we need a press conference for it. This is a thankless job and we all bltch at them for inconveniencing us. Those that kept going to work to make a dismal situation somewhat better deserve their 15 minutes. It also adds a little crow to the leftist morons.

 

[HymanKaplan]

Fetterman hospitalized, after a "fall" at his home.

Anyone seen Hillary or Bill?

 

[billCgmx_]

This is half funny but half sad that people really cant figure out why this movie didnt do well at the box office.

View attachment 1000727

Here's a summary and all I can say is these people are insufferable


Ruby Rose has publicly criticized Sydney Sweeney for her role in the biopic Christy, which opened to a disappointing $1.3 million at the domestic box office across 2,184 theaters, ranking among the worst wide openings for films in over 2,000 theaters. Rose, who claims she was originally attached to play the character "Cherry" in the film, stated that the original script was "incredible" and "life changing".

She expressed disappointment that Sweeney, whom she referred to as a "cretin," was cast, asserting that the film "deserved better" and accusing Sweeney of being disconnected from the story's core material. Rose further claimed that most of the original cast were gay, suggesting a deeper connection to the story that she believes Sweeney lacks, and argued that "none of ‘the people’ want to see someone who hates them, parading around pretending to be us"

 

[Classy_Bowls]

Fetterman hospitalized, after a "fall" at his home.

Anyone seen Hillary or Bill?

 

[HeismanWinner]

I'm glad they got it.

Fingers crossed that they give us back the federal income taxes they still took out of our paycheck during the shutdown.

 

[Kattonik]

Most teachers have the required 40 quarters to get a social security benefit by the time they retire. I don't know ANY that didn't. They're aware of what they need, and they do it. Any job they ever worked as a teen, during college, summers, substitute teaching before they're hired, it all counts.

And therefore, they are eligible to receive their spouses survivor benefit (if it's greater than their benefit)

I have a family member who is a retired special ed teacher in ky who started receiving ss benefits within the last year. She is married and never worked any other job her whole life. She has never paid into ss.

 

[Anon1761688510]

You've somehow managed to take what was already an incorrect and stupid position, and in defiance of all logic and reason, make it even worse.

What a worthless screed. 5 bullet points of back-peddling and non sequiturs. I was responding to YOUR argument that SS recipients were going to be parasitically sponging off of teacher SS contributions, and that MOST people only contribute 6.2 percent towards SS. Newsflash Einstein. That is what EVERYBODY pays. And thanks to the WEP, when teachers start getting their retro pay, it will be the rest of us that ARE going to have to make up the difference. And why do I say that, because the rest of us will have paid a LOT more INTO the SS fund than teachers. Surely I don't have to explain WHY that is the case.

You said, and I quote, "You will be sucking off every Teacher's second job SS contributions in your retirement while you only contributed half of what they did towards their pension."

That is a completely false statement. I told you how much classified pay into the CERS and SS, and it is WAY more than half of what teachers pay. So you're wrong.

Setting aside state and county employees, and just considering private sector workers. They probably have to set aside MORE than teachers, because unlike KTRS pensioners, they don't get a sweet defined benefit plan. So, on TOP of the 6.2 percent for SS, they have to invest heavily in 401K's etc. to supply MOST of their retirement income needs. You exhibit a stunning lack of awareness about the most basic issues.

And I can all but guarantee you that you don't want to start comparing health insurance costs/premiums that teachers pay compared to what private sector employees shell out. And again, EVERYONE pays FICA, state, local, Federal income taxes, so prattling on about how teachers bear that burden is, well... ODD.

Oh, and before I forget, you seem to think, inexplicably, that the KTRS is sustained solely by member contributions. If you DO believe that, and that tax-payers don't pay "the bulk of your retirement" then you have bigger problems than I thought. KTRS is funded by three sources. Member contributions, school district contributions (tax dollars), and the state budget contributions (tax dollars). So, in baseball terms, you've earned the golden sombrero. IOW - you've struck out FOUR TIMES, genius.

So, equivocate and reframe all you want, but it won't change the fact that it's nothing more than childish grousing. And frankly, it makes you come across like an out of touch/spoiled simpleton. This isn't surprising though, because that sort of sheltered "out of touch with the real world" attitude is, in my considerable experience, extremely common amongst public school educators.

Now, beat it mush brain.

Thanks for proving my point with your long winded pointless diatribe. We ALL pay into our retirement. Nothing is for free.
KY Teachers pay a higher percentage of their paycheck towards their pension than private sector employees do for their SS benefits. That is a fact.
We ALL contribute towards government funded retirement benefits. Teachers are not exempt from Medicaid contributions nor SS contributions for every second job they do or any private sector jobs they have held. They pay into their pension as well as SS.

That was the entire point and you missed it.

So quit with the BS narrative that teachers don't pay for their retirement and it is all on the backs of the taxpayers because that is a lie.

SS AND teacher pensions are BOTH paid into by the recipients and BOTH supported by public tax dollars.


Now get off the computer and back in line for your daily meds from the nurse.

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

Question: Can a teacher say, retire from KY, then go to another state and also retire from there, drawing two retirements? Just something I heard.

They can, but they have to reach a certain threshold in years taught. I think in Kentucky that number is 5 years. I worked with a lady who taught in SC for 20 years and then finished up here for the remaining bit. I think her retirement would have been significantly better if she had just worked in either state for the entirety of her tenure, I think her pension would have been significantly better.

 

[Classy_Bowls]

Thanks for proving my point with your long winded pointless diatribe. We ALL pay into our retirement. Nothing is for free.
KY Teachers pay a higher percentage of their paycheck towards their pension than private sector employees do for their SS benefits. That is a fact.
We ALL contribute towards government funded retirement benefits. Teachers are not exempt from Medicaid contributions nor SS contributions for every second job they do or any private sector jobs they have held. They pay into their pension as well as SS.

That was the entire point and you missed it.

So quit with the BS narrative that teachers don't pay for their retirement and it is all on the backs of the taxpayers because that is a lie.

SS AND teacher pensions are BOTH paid into by the recipients and BOTH supported by public tax dollars.


Now get off the computer and back in line for your daily meds from the nurse.

You taught in the same special ed class that you were a student in.

Young Sam: “I eat cookie” ~bites into a Hotwheel.

 

[Anon1761688510]

The Kentucky General Assembly contributes to the TRS in a big way, you clueless dolt. Where do they get their money.....an ATM?

https://trs.ky.gov/news/trs-receives-full-funding-plus-for-2024-26/

Of course, this didn't happen from 2007-2016 thanks to Daddy Andy's daddy.

And every citizen in the US is contributing into Social Security with their contributions and taxes out of every paycheck.
We ALL pay into our retirements and All pay into a system that funds those retirements.
The only differences are that one is state based and the other is federally funded.....One requires 13 percent of the total pay (Ky Teachers retirement/retiree healthcare) and the other only requires 6 percent of total pay (SS deductions in private sector).

Now, thanks to Bevin the child rapist protector---The pension is trash and the teacher shortage is worse than ever.

Convicted child rapist pardoned by Bevin drops expungement request

Micah Schoettle is a 'danger to the community,' says Kenton County Commonwealth Attorney Rob Sanders

www.fox19.com

What exactly is your point fool??

 

[HeismanWinner]

Here's a summary and all I can say is these people are insufferable


Ruby Rose has publicly criticized Sydney Sweeney for her role in the biopic Christy, which opened to a disappointing $1.3 million at the domestic box office across 2,184 theaters, ranking among the worst wide openings for films in over 2,000 theaters. Rose, who claims she was originally attached to play the character "Cherry" in the film, stated that the original script was "incredible" and "life changing".

She expressed disappointment that Sweeney, whom she referred to as a "cretin," was cast, asserting that the film "deserved better" and accusing Sweeney of being disconnected from the story's core material. Rose further claimed that most of the original cast were gay, suggesting a deeper connection to the story that she believes Sweeney lacks, and argued that "none of ‘the people’ want to see someone who hates them, parading around pretending to be us"

The ironic thing is that Rose was criticized back in 2018 for not checking off enough boxes.

 

[Monday Nitro]

Swallwell referred to the DOJ for mortgage fraud on his 1.2M home in D.C.

 

[ScrewDuke1]

 

[Beatle Bum]

They didn’t do it for free! They get backpay during that entire time. They get $10K and we need a press conference for it?

Meh.