Poll: Does a Plan B exist?
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you have to have a plan A to have a plan B
The only plan B that I could see - would be an escape from Lincoln plan.
HCMR is going to get 3-4 years regardless of these threads. Give him more than season before you tar and feather him.
I think most people know he's going to get 3-4 years. My bet is a very small minority of fans really believe he could get canned after 1-2 years. Now having said that, I think a lot of fans who were excited about the hire (me) are starting to question if he's the right guy for the job, but I even know he isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Only if things change does he deserve 3-4 years if this keeps going the way it is
1. If our defense does not improve by next year what would lead you to believe Riley will ever field a defense that can win anything of note. and No he will not replace Banker
2. He better seriously look at changing his offense it will not work in the Big10 pure and simple - It was not working in the Pac12 either towards the end.
3. If bonehead coaching decisions continue to cost this team wins - how in the world is he ever going to win a division title let alone a conference title - answer he would not
If he changes and starts fixing problems then yes he deserves time to put those in place. If he does not I would prefer to pull the bandaide off quickly rather than later. if we cannot see progress then why in the world would we wait 3-4 years to determine it is not working.
Keep in mind he was hired to win confer titles not 7-8 or even 9 games - so a winning season is not an accomplishment at NU
Playing word association, my first thought for plan B, was
If we win 4 or more games this year...yes he sticks around...if we (God forbid) lose out or only win 1 more...I think the boosters begin to stir.
To be clear, I'm not necessarily calling for an immediate change yet. Just wondering if you believe a Plan B has already been developed. Most administrators/directors typically have a Plan B in the drawer at all times. Does SE have a shortlist of options in place?
I think this board has gone off the deep end.
The Plan B for SE is wait four years, and try and get Scott Frost, assuming he is having success at Oregon. If he doesn't get him, go back to being an assistant AD at Wisconsin, selling the same thing that is on this board-injuries hurt us, BP wrecked the culture, BP didn't recruit, BP mind-f'd the team, but I managed to salvage the PR aspect of it all. 
Why in the hell are we talking about this?
Don't know if it's written in stone, but it appears there's an employment expectation in the coaching world that allows a coach to implement their system. Too, nobody really "knows" what results will happen from Riley's tenure, history will be the judge of that.
Edit: There's no reason to have a plan B.
Disagree. You should always have a list of names in your desk, because you just never know--unexpected things happen. Sometimes coaches unexpectedly resign (Urban Meyer) or leave for different opportunities. Jeremy Foley was not prepared when Spurrier left Florida and went to the NFL. He threw two hail mary's (Stoops and Shanahan) and then panicked and hired Zook. He has said often times that now he keeps a current list in his desk at all times--because you never know.
I don't think it matters. I don't expect Eichorst to be the one to fire or replace Riley.
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We've already designated a successor. We saw this same thing with Callahan some years ago. Outside guy comes in, doesn't do so hot, people start pining about offensive style and the Nebraska Way if we're going to lose anyway, and so we spent some period of years talking about bringing Pelini back and a few rumblings about Gill.
The only coach with ties to the Husker program is Scott Frost. He's also a hot shot coordinator. He's also the last great hope that fans have in this state, that "the system" will be returned. There are no more Husker ties if Frost flames out.
If Riley fails, its almost a given that the outcry for "Nebraska ties" will be so great, that he's our next coach. Its how we got Pelini, and Pelini had one season of Husker ties.
The only coach with ties to the Husker program is Scott Frost. He's also a hot shot coordinator. He's also the last great hope that fans have in this state, that "the system" will be returned. There are no more Husker ties if Frost flames out.
If Riley fails, its almost a given that the outcry for "Nebraska ties" will be so great, that he's our next coach. Its how we got Pelini, and Pelini had one season of Husker ties.
I don't think it matters. Coaching changes are like elections, there's always an over riding issue. With Callahan it was getting away from defense and a run identity. So we brought in Pelini who conviently had Husker ties and that was his bailiwick. When we got rid of Pelini our issue was experience and not bringing fresh coordinators on, and a diplomatic face for the program. We end up with Riley, who has no Husker ties, but fits main consideration nicely. Now we are back to the whole run identity thing, and "We are Nebraska", so Frost is the guy for that.
So depending on how Frost would do, Nebraska is either going to have that one great night of sex in a lifetime, or he's going to be the ultimate let down/punch in the gut.
An NU that has been wandering around the wilds of CFB some 20 or 25 years, and has no hope of some program acolyte coming in and restoring order again, well that's just down right apocalyptical thought in this state. We would really be rudderless as a fan base at that point, so we better hope Frost is worth the hype.
That kind of thinking would have continued to doom Meatchicken if it were not for Harbaugh.
Yah but walking around the state today, I think if you polled people, there's almost unwavering belief that Frost is our Harbaugh.
There is a big difference between what Harbaugh has accomplished compared to what Scott Frost has accomplished. Frost has never demonstrated that he could be a succesful head coach. I would like to see him take a job as a head coach to see what assistants he hires, how they look as a team and how they recruit.
If Riley does not work out and we have to hire again - we had better darn sure put some thought into this time. It baffles me how Nu has been just throwing darts at coaches
* Solich - hired because he was here and TO was loyal - Think of the coaches who would have been interested at this point
Callahan - is hired because well he is available after losing a team and being fired - great resume
Pelini is hired because well the fans liked hi in 2003 and he had done pretty well as a DC - no thought of whether he was fit from a recruiting standpoint or from an emotional standpoint and there were warning signs of both
Riley was hired because he is a good guy and at one time schools wanted to hire him - no thought to his recent history or even maybe his reasons for leaving OSU
4 coaches and we interviewed for only one of them the Solich replacement - that search was bungled so bad we ended up taking the first guy we could no matter he was a horrible fit
How do you pay millions of dollars for a coach and do such a crappy job during the selection process. Unorganized no or little input from anyone else - no real thought went into these hires - heck you would find a more thorough process for a $3000/mo office job
* Solich - hired because he was here and TO was loyal - Think of the coaches who would have been interested at this point
Callahan - is hired because well he is available after losing a team and being fired - great resume
Pelini is hired because well the fans liked hi in 2003 and he had done pretty well as a DC - no thought of whether he was fit from a recruiting standpoint or from an emotional standpoint and there were warning signs of both
Riley was hired because he is a good guy and at one time schools wanted to hire him - no thought to his recent history or even maybe his reasons for leaving OSU
4 coaches and we interviewed for only one of them the Solich replacement - that search was bungled so bad we ended up taking the first guy we could no matter he was a horrible fit
How do you pay millions of dollars for a coach and do such a crappy job during the selection process. Unorganized no or little input from anyone else - no real thought went into these hires - heck you would find a more thorough process for a $3000/mo office job
He has had more than a season to prove his worth, there is no way that a staff with this much experience should be producing these kind of results! His record speaks for itself, this nothing more than PR stunt to repair Nebraska's national image. The game has past Coach Riley more than 10 years ago. I wanted Mark gone several years ago, but this was not my idea of a better solution to the Head coaching problem we face.
Nebraska fans are smart. They know that the problems at Nebraska start at the top.
Exactly
After Osborne retired, the Nebraska football program should have implemented all out-moneys no object programs for finding the very best coaches and players (recruiting) for our program. They did neither. And after almost 20 years, they still haven't done it.
We may be approaching this from two different angles.
I would pose that Riley is still in a trial period. And the trial period will last multiple years. Worst case scenario that is based on at least a little reality, we only win 2 games this year. We keep Riley on board. Something really bad happens outside the realm of football wins and losses, an interim head coach is named from the current staff.
A plan "B" to me insinuates you have some organized plan other than that which is obvious.
I disagree with that. The bobfather handed the program off to TO and then TO handed the program off to Franky. Hindsight is always 20/20 but at the time-continuity of the program was a huge strength...especially coming off 3 natties in 4 years.
So you are saying if he doesn't produce another win this year and only get's 2 or 3 W's next year he is safe?
It's obviously very unlikely, but that scenario could play out and if it does I can't see him lasting more than 2 years at NU.
4-8 this year, a losing season next year....I would bet that MR will be "retired" in Oregon. That said, those that are calling for his head right now....it ain't gonna happen. And it shouldn't.
I think the biggest concern right now has even more to do with the handling of the team off of the fied as it does on it. Mikey botched his chance to to show the is the authority on this team, IMO.
I think I would have to know more about how the players felt about it before I drew any conclusions. I know how the fans feel, not sure about the players.
Lite, I think if we get to that point next year, it's not going to matter what the players think.