Poll: In light of this past weekend's FB game
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I voted for the second option. The only reason is that we are the team that is considered to get all the calls.
Calls go both ways in a game. The ones we discuss from Saturday were just the most visible.
Miami played hard too and they did not do anything wrong(so to speak), meaning they did not blow the calls. They played to the whistle also. Even if we got the benefit of a call, I'd want that hard work recognized.
Calls go both ways in a game. The ones we discuss from Saturday were just the most visible.
Miami played hard too and they did not do anything wrong(so to speak), meaning they did not blow the calls. They played to the whistle also. Even if we got the benefit of a call, I'd want that hard work recognized.
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Tempted to go with the 3rd. But, it would still leave a bitter taste. Had to go the honor route. Just so frustrating.
Can only imagine the uproar if this were, say, the SEC or B1G Championship game. Just appallingly bad.
It's not just that there was one bad call on one important play. That happens all the time. It's
A) The replay official had the evidence on the knee down and did not overturn
B) They threw a flag and then overturned the penalty on the replay and that is simply not allowed via replay. How do you do that? How does a replay official and entire officiating crew get those things wrong?
C) A player on the sidelines ran onto the field while the play was still going on - with his helmet off. Sorry, that's a penalty.
Just dumbfounded. There's no way I could feel good about a win like that - even against UNC.
Can only imagine the uproar if this were, say, the SEC or B1G Championship game. Just appallingly bad.
It's not just that there was one bad call on one important play. That happens all the time. It's
A) The replay official had the evidence on the knee down and did not overturn
B) They threw a flag and then overturned the penalty on the replay and that is simply not allowed via replay. How do you do that? How does a replay official and entire officiating crew get those things wrong?
C) A player on the sidelines ran onto the field while the play was still going on - with his helmet off. Sorry, that's a penalty.
Just dumbfounded. There's no way I could feel good about a win like that - even against UNC.
It would be a win but a fraud. I would not be proud of it in the least sense and if ask would I vacate the win if it were in my power I would say yes. I know some think it's just b.s. and I would take the win and not think twice about it. But that's me. That's the the way I feel. OFC
I tend to agree with Dbav on this.
We've seen stuff that was blown up all out of proportion against Duke before...such as Boeheim running around like a chicken with his head cut off when the foul at the end of the game at Cameron didn't go his way (he had no problem with a similar ending at Syracuse that went his way). We're savaged if we get a call that isn't correct even if we got screwed on 10 calls prior. I don't want to cheat anyone, but we have no control over the officiating (unless you're a card carrying member of the K is Satan club).
I will take every win we get (even if it is distasteful), because we've lost many games on crap calls. That's life. Sometimes it goes your way, and sometimes it doesn't.
Now if Duke athletics were to cheat like UNC athletics has cheated by fraudulent classes, changing grades, etc., to win ball games...then NO, HELL NO...I don't want any part of that, but that would be on Duke...not on the officials, of which we don't have control.
So to answer the question...I'll take the victory (tainted or not), because as sure as the sun will come up in the morning...we'll pay for it down the road with a call or series of call that goes against us in other games.
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We've seen stuff that was blown up all out of proportion against Duke before...such as Boeheim running around like a chicken with his head cut off when the foul at the end of the game at Cameron didn't go his way (he had no problem with a similar ending at Syracuse that went his way). We're savaged if we get a call that isn't correct even if we got screwed on 10 calls prior. I don't want to cheat anyone, but we have no control over the officiating (unless you're a card carrying member of the K is Satan club).
I will take every win we get (even if it is distasteful), because we've lost many games on crap calls. That's life. Sometimes it goes your way, and sometimes it doesn't.
Now if Duke athletics were to cheat like UNC athletics has cheated by fraudulent classes, changing grades, etc., to win ball games...then NO, HELL NO...I don't want any part of that, but that would be on Duke...not on the officials, of which we don't have control.
So to answer the question...I'll take the victory (tainted or not), because as sure as the sun will come up in the morning...we'll pay for it down the road with a call or series of call that goes against us in other games.
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Not to nitpick your points. But the game against Syracuse still had time and Boeheim cost his own team a chance to win. Not a bad call with no time on the clock.
I don't mind, the nitpick, Let'sGoDuke. I mainly used that because of how Boeheim got bent out of shape over the call...and caused a crap storm by his behavior.
You can substitute any bad call that has happened to Duke over the years (and cost a game)...because no matter how bad this call was...it was still a single play that was screwed up (and cost Duke a game). Yeah, it was a mother of a screw-up, but it was still one call...and bad calls are going to go for you...and against you. No matter how much technology, no matter how many extra officials, it's still going to happen...maybe (hopefully) not as often, but still going to happen.
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I voted 1 because winning on a really bad controversial call like in this weekend's game against Miami, it would make us look bad and we would never hear the end of it from opposing fans. As much as we already hear that Duke gets all the calls, if we won on a really bad controversial call like in this weekend's game against Miami we would hear it from opposing fan1000 times worse than we already do.
Could not disagree more that Miami players worked hard so they deserve to win. Too bad, really. Lots of teams work hard. But, sportsmanship is bigger than winning. Every. Single. Day. (except maybe against UNC, but I digress ...).
I think this feature in the Orlando Sentinal is well stated. Though, this really should be on the ACC (which is a complete failure as a conference and will be continually because they will not reverse the game):
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...rfeit-david-whitley-1103-20151102-column.html
I think this feature in the Orlando Sentinal is well stated. Though, this really should be on the ACC (which is a complete failure as a conference and will be continually because they will not reverse the game):
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...rfeit-david-whitley-1103-20151102-column.html
Some very good points. Important to remember, this was the Officials. Not Duke or Miami.
Mind boggling to miss the knee down and the McCaffrey fumble with replay. What do they use, 100 yr old 8mm film?
Helmet off player on field is irrelevant. Even if called, would not have affected the outcome.
Reversing the illegal block call??!
Did Duke cover? Almost makes you feel bad anyone who lost a lot on this game.
Mind boggling to miss the knee down and the McCaffrey fumble with replay. What do they use, 100 yr old 8mm film?
Helmet off player on field is irrelevant. Even if called, would not have affected the outcome.
Reversing the illegal block call??!
Did Duke cover? Almost makes you feel bad anyone who lost a lot on this game.
The Miami win should be reversed by Commissioner Swofford. This is a good explanation in the Tampa Bay Times:
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/coll...-victory-over-duke-should-be-reversed/2252460
I voted for option 2. Its is not Miami's fault the refs on the last player were complete and utter failures. I would probably say sorry to the opposition but I am not taking back the result.
Duke got screwed. In sports as in life, it happens.
Duke got screwed. In sports as in life, it happens.
It was a horrible call no doubt about it, but a reversal? NO, NEVER EVER do I hope this happens now, or in the future. If this ever happens you open the door for it happening again, and again it will happen with absolute certainty. The slippery slope will get slipperier as time goes on. Would a 'win' ever be safe? We know how everyone (including us) howl about a bad call, or a series of calls, and if a 'reversal' ever happens the howling will ramp up higher and higher because every school's fans will want a 'reversal'. It would never end.
No, stuff happens, and you have to learn to live with it. As bad a taste as this leaves in Coach Cut's, and the teams mouths, it's just a life lesson imo. Suck it up and move on.
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No, stuff happens, and you have to learn to live with it. As bad a taste as this leaves in Coach Cut's, and the teams mouths, it's just a life lesson imo. Suck it up and move on.
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Well said!
There is no precedent for overturning any results. Like OAD said, if you start doing this there is a slippery slope to it happening all the time. Which takes the spirit out of the games played completely. This past game was not the norm.
Just play pissed off the rest of the way knowing there's a loss that shouldn't be there.
I am not suggesting taking anything away from Miami. I agree it is not their fault. My question was in your heart would you be happy winning that way. Not calling for a change of outcome.
In my mind, I am going back and forth on how I feel about that. On one side of the argument, there was no time left on the clock, so that eliminates the "what if" factor. On the other, once the game is called, you got to live with it.
Now what this may do for the future is allow for a rule change when it involves a play that clearly ends the game. But I hope regardless of that, replay officials do a better job.
In the end, this goes as an L next to Duke and a W next t Miami. Duke is moving on to UNC.
Honestly I would take the win. Bad calls are part of the game, and it is not cheating unless you know what is about to occur. But people make mistakes like at the end of the Seahawks vs Greenbay game and the Seattle vs Detroit Lions game. The people responsible were punished. You shouldn't penalize a team for a mistake made by refs. Personal integrity does play a role, but I wouldn't a take win from a team unless they played ineligible players or were purposely cheating like the Patriots and spygate. Bad calls does not damage integrity of the game, but I think people that made the mistake should be seriously reprimanded. Because having that much time and to still have that outcome is horrible.