Ponzi Scheme vs. Pyramid Scheme

dgtatu01

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I see them used incorrectly a lot on this board so I thought I would explain the difference. First they aren't the same thing so don't use them interchangeably.

A Pyramid Scheme is usually called network marketing when it is sold to you. It usually has a product attached to it to look legitimate. Some of them are very profitable and have been going on for a while. These include Mary Kay, Amway, Herbalife, etc. There is money being made on the sale of the product, but there is also money being made on the sale of the license to sell the product. The worst of these schemes are thinly veiled schemes to bilk people out of the licensing fee
Basically person X gets people to buy a license to sell product Y from him he get some percentage of the licensing fee. He also gets some percentage of any licensing fee his people sell as well. This usually works out very well for the first few people in town who sell licenses, but not so well for the people on down the line. The up flowing of money with few people at the top and many people at the bottom is the reason for the pyramid scheme name.

A Ponzi scheme is usually disguised as an investment firm. The schemer will pose as a financial advisor and take deposits. He will keep accounting records and statements just like a regular financial advisor. The accounts will show you are buying and selling stocks and bonds etc just like a normal account, but in reality all the money is in a large account which the schemer is using to fund their own lifestyle. This is what Bernie Madoff did. He even had a lot of money invested and was doing well enough to keep it going for quite a while. Many people over the 20 years or so of his scheme had deposited and withdrawn their funds and didn't lose anything. The scheme fell apart in 2008 when the market dropped by 1/2 and everyone came in at once to withdraw. Madoff only had $10 billion or so of the $50 billion he supposedly had deposited.
 
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I see them used incorrectly a lot on this board so I thought I would explain the difference. First they aren't the same thing so don't use them interchangeably.

A Pyramid Scheme is usually called network marketing when it is sold to you. It usually has a product attached to it to look legitimate. Some of them are very profitable and have been going on for a while. These include Mary Kay, Amway, Herbalife, etc. There is money being made on the sale of the product, but there is also money being made on the sale of the license to sell the product. The worst of these schemes are thinly veiled schemes to bilk people out of the licensing fee
Basically person X gets people to buy a license to sell product Y from him he get some percentage of the licensing fee. He also gets some percentage of any licensing fee his people sell as well. This usually works out very well for the first few people in town who sell licenses, but not so well for the people on down the line. The up flowing of money with few people at the top and many people at the bottom is the reason for the pyramid scheme name.

A Ponzi scheme is usually disguised as an investment firm. The schemer will pose as a financial advisor and take deposits. He will keep accounting records and statements just like a regular financial advisor. The accounts will show you are buying and selling stocks and bonds etc just like a normal account, but in reality all the money is in a large account which the schemer is using to fund their own lifestyle. This is what Bernie Madoff did. He even had a lot of money invested and was doing well enough to keep it going for quite a while. Many people over the 20 years or so of his scheme had deposited and withdrawn their funds and didn't lose anything. The scheme fell apart in 2008 when the market dropped by 1/2 and everyone came in at once to withdraw. Madoff only had $10 billion or so of the $50 billion he supposedly had deposited.

So what would you call SS? You basically need an increasing pool of supporters to keep in viable, similar to a pyramid scheme. But people who are paying in are claiming that it's "their money", when their money already went out the door - which is similar to a Ponzi scheme.
 

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SS is different because you are always gonna have old people and younger people working you can screw over, whereas you won't always have people to buy or invest in your trickle up marketing strategy. You can save your political groans for someone else who cares, but without it you'd just get screwed somewhere else by the government to take care of those people who don't have the foresight to save for their own retirement
 

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So what would you call SS? You basically need an increasing pool of supporters to keep in viable, similar to a pyramid scheme. But people who are paying in are claiming that it's "their money", when their money already went out the door - which is similar to a Ponzi scheme.

It's a pyramid scheme forced by law. The money in it isn't anyone's money, it goes in and then is paid out to people who are collecting it. The Social Security Trust refers to the fact that until a few years from now the payouts were less than the receipts and it has been building funds up. In a few years outflows surpas receipts. By 2035 or so total outflows surpas total receipts and Social Security payments start adding to the yearly deficit. That is the proverbial can being kicked down the road. Basically SS started out with around 7 workers paying for each beneficiary, by 2035 which is when the Baby Boomers who are the largest by volume generation in US history will all be on SS the ratio will be slightly less than 3 workers per benificiary. If Congress would start making tough choices today like upping taxes and cutting benefits, the trust will make it through the glut of Boomers and be fine for future generations. If they don't the whole system will bankrupt the federal government and leave us all holding our butts innour hands.
 
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It's a pyramid scheme forced by law. The money in it isn't anyone's money, it goes in and then is paid out to people who are collecting it. The Social Security Trust refers to the fact that until a few years from now the payouts were less than the receipts and it has been building funds up. In a few years outflows surpas receipts. By 2035 or so total outflows surpas total receipts and Social Security payments start adding to the yearly deficit. That is the proverbial can being kicked down the road. Basically SS started out with around 7 workers paying for each beneficiary, by 2035 which is when the Baby Boomers who are the largest by volume generation in US history will all be on SS the ratio will be slightly less than 3 workers per benificiary. If Congress would start making tough choices today like upping taxes and cutting benefits, the trust will make it through the glut of Boomers and be fine for future generations. If they don't the whole system will bankrupt the federal government and leave us all holding our butts innour hands.

Cherokee tribeswoman and US Senator Elizabeth Warren suggests giving everybody on SS a $500 check.
 

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I literally want to kill somebody I know who is a Zija rep.

They're the worst. I'm amazed at how many people will abuse your friendship or association to pitch that crap on you. My wife got suckered into her mom's friend coming to her house and putting on some presentation after saying she needed something else.

Hate stuff like that. The people selling it have no shame either.
 
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They're the worst. I'm amazed at how many people will abuse your friendship or association to pitch that crap on you. My wife got suckered into her mom's friend coming to her house and putting on some presentation after saying she needed something else.

Hate stuff like that. The people selling it have no shame either.

I'm convinced they are missing or have damaged a portion of their brain. With Zija, this chick talks about how a great of product on one social media post, then puts pictures of the Mercedez she "earned" on another a second later. What other consumer business do you outwardly advertise how much money you make the same time you are trying to sell a product? And a better question - what kind of moron buys said product?
 
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Seems to me like it would be better to be at the top of a pyramid scheme. Just need to come up with a product and licensing rights. We'll need to make an infomercial.

I have an idea 93. You know how women these days are filling up their lips with collagen shots and looking like a fat lipped clown? Well, how about a pyramid scheme that would allow us to sell collagen labia shots for women's vaginas. As women age, their ****** lips become flabby and deflated. Well, with our collagen ****** shots, those old broads can have the labias of an 18 yr old girl. hmmm??? Yeah or nay?
 

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Wrong. Everyone knows that a pyramid scheme is when you take 30 years to erect enormous pyramids to store grain for a seven year famine.
I have an idea 93. You know how women these days are filling up their lips with collagen shots and looking like a fat lipped clown? Well, how about a pyramid scheme that would allow us to sell collagen labia shots for women's vaginas. As women age, their ****** lips become flabby and deflated. Well, with our collagen ****** shots, those old broads can have the labias of an 18 yr old girl. hmmm??? Yeah or nay?




Willy…[laughing]

I would ask how much experience you have with deflated ****** lips but not sure I want to know the answer. Then again, I think some women are so messed up that it would actually be something that would peak their interest.
 

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Willy…[laughing]

I would ask how much experience you have with deflated ****** lips but not sure I want to know the answer. Then again, I think some women are so messed up that it would actually be something that would peak their interest.

Man, old rich women are getting "blowtox" these days. What's blowtox? Oh, just a bunch of rich old women who go to the gym and don't want their hair to become sweaty from actually doing physical exertion so they have botox shot into their scalp so that when they work out, their hair and scalp doesn't sweat. Ain't that some ****?

So yeah, old broads with self esteem problems would absolutely get collagen shot into their low hanging meat flaps. Just saying man. The idea is there, we just need a person who can do it.
 

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I have an idea 93. You know how women these days are filling up their lips with collagen shots and looking like a fat lipped clown? Well, how about a pyramid scheme that would allow us to sell collagen labia shots for women's vaginas. As women age, their ****** lips become flabby and deflated. Well, with our collagen ****** shots, those old broads can have the labias of an 18 yr old girl. hmmm??? Yeah or nay?
I think this has some possibility. Old women like to buy this crap off TV & older middle-aged women like to have these stupid parties to sell crap to their friends. I think it needs to be marketed as something where you either do it yourself or become a licensed distributor & licensed to inject the product. Get those vags plumped up.
 

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That ish infiltrated my office a few years ago. Haven't been able to carry on a normal, shoot-the-ish type of conversation with any of my coworkers who are reps since. They are always selling, even if you just ask about the weather.
 

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I've always wanted to start a pubic hair design business for women.
for clarification purposes:

Do you want to design womens pubic hair?
Want to have a business where women design pubic hair?
A business where women design womens pubic hair?

Sorry, but this is important and I'm thinking of investing.
 
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Your comment that pyramid schemes and ponzi schemes are not the same thing was actually the only thing you got right (and even that was for the wrong reason).

There are over 1,400 MLM companies in the US, which is one of over 100 countries where this form of business exists, and has existed for over 50 years, and not one, ever, has even charged a "license fee", let alone paid multiple levels of commissions on such fees. Commissions are paid entirely from the purchase of products. This could have been learned within minutes by simply Googling "multilevel marketing".
 

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A Ponzi scheme is usually disguised as an investment firm. The schemer will pose as a financial advisor and take deposits. He will keep accounting records and statements just like a regular financial advisor. The accounts will show you are buying and selling stocks and bonds etc just like a normal account, but in reality all the money is in a large account which the schemer is using to fund their own lifestyle. This is what Bernie Madoff did. He even had a lot of money invested and was doing well enough to keep it going for quite a while. Many people over the 20 years or so of his scheme had deposited and withdrawn their funds and didn't lose anything. The scheme fell apart in 2008 when the market dropped by 1/2 and everyone came in at once to withdraw. Madoff only had $10 billion or so of the $50 billion he supposedly had deposited.

Sounds like a bank's fractional reserve, minus the FDIC.
 

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I will do all the designing and trimming. Will expand as needed.

I'm interested in being a silent partner, but I don't want to get involved. It sounds fun like being a gynecologist sounds fun - some great times sprinkled in with lots of horror stories.