Poor fellow.......Just can't go to sleep....

[bornaneer]

Stephen Hawking fears Donald Trump’s decision to pull out of the Paris climate change agreement could be the “tipping point” which wipes out humanity and turns our planet into a living hell.
“We are close to the tipping point where global warming becomes irreversible. Trump’s action could push the Earth over the brink, to become like Venus, with a temperature of two hundred and fifty degrees, and raining sulphuric acid.” "Donald Trump will cause avoidable environmental damage to our beautiful planet, endangering the natural world, for us and our children.”

 

[op2]

Isn't someone on here always posting that physicist Freeman Dyson says global warming isn't happening? If that's legit then why isn't it legit for physicist Steven Hawking to say it in the other direction?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Isn't someone on here always posting that physicist Freeman Dyson says global warming isn't happening? If that's legit then why isn't it legit for physicist Steven Hawking to say it in the other direction?

Because it don't work that way.....you know that. [thumbsup] If a scientists says "no global warming", they are smart and a "real" scientist". If a scientist (or in Hawking's case, perhaps the smartest man on the planet.....with a severe debilitating disease) says the opposite, they get ridiculed.

 

[bornaneer]

Isn't someone on here always posting that physicist Freeman Dyson says global warming isn't happening? If that's legit then why isn't it legit for physicist Steven Hawking to say it in the other direction?

I believe global warming and climate change is real, is happening,has happened and will continue to happen. I think the publicity hound Hawking has a different intent with his latest doom and gloom tirade. I think you know what it is really about.

 

[op2]

I believe global warming and climate change is real, is happening,has happened and will continue to happen. I think the publicity hound Hawking has a different intent with his latest doom and gloom tirade. I think you know what it is really about.

Hawking is probably one of those spoiled handicapped people that just want to sit in his chair and have people push him around, like George Costanza said on that episode of Seinfeld.

I made a good point. The main promoter on this board of the idea that global warming isn't happening uses Freeman Dyson as an example all the time. If he is legit then why isn't Steven Hawking legit? Or if Steven Hawking isn't legit then Freeman Dyson isn't legit either.

 

[bornaneer]

Because it don't work that way.....you know that. [thumbsup] If a scientists says "no global warming", they are smart and a "real" scientist". If a scientist (or in Hawking's case, perhaps the smartest man on the planet.....with a severe debilitating disease) says the opposite, they get ridiculed.

I think you got it backwards. Hawkings is now nothing more than a freak show.

 

[op2]

I think you got it backwards. Hawkings is now nothing more than a freak show.

And how is Hawking nothing more than a freak show? Are you denying that he is considered a brilliant physicist by the community of physicists? Are all physicists nothing more than a freak show now?

 

[bornaneer]

Hawking is probably one of those spoiled handicapped people that just want to sit in his chair and have people push him around, like George Costanza said on that episode of Seinfeld.

I made a good point. The main promoter on this board of the idea that global warming isn't happening uses Freeman Dyson as an example all the time. If he is legit then why isn't Steven Hawking legit? Or if Steven Hawking isn't legit then Freeman Dyson isn't legit either.

I didn't say Hawking was not legit......I'm sure he believes what he said and I'm sure this Freeman Dyson fellow believes what he said. Both can claim they have science on their side. My broader point about Hawking was the "who" and "why" in his comments.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I think you got it backwards. Hawkings is now nothing more than a freak show.

Wow......

 

[op2]

I didn't say Hawking was not legit......I'm sure he believes what he said and I'm sure this Freeman Dyson fellow believes what he said. Both can claim they have science on their side. My broader point about Hawking was the "who" and "why" in his comments.

He's probably faking having to be in that wheelchair, like Guy Caballero on SCTV.

 

[dave]

Wow......

Dont worry moron, you have him covered.

 

[PriddyBoy]

He's probably faking having to be in that wheelchair, like Guy Caballero on SCTV.

No, he needs the wheelchair. He is broken. Trump broke him. Just add him to the list.

 

[wvu2007]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/say-that-to-my-face-*****.jpg

 

[bornaneer]

And how is Hawking nothing more than a freak show? Are you denying that he is considered a brilliant physicist by the community of physicists? Are all physicists nothing more than a freak show now?

He WAS once a brilliant physicist. The media gives him some kind of special reverence....especially now when he is gotten into the "blame game".

 

[op2]

He WAS once a brilliant physicist. The media gives him some kind of special reverence....especially now when he is gotten into the "blame game".

I don't think he gets some kind of special reverence at all or at least no more than any other famous, brilliant scientist.

If he came out and said global warming wasn't happening, what do you think would happen? It would be reported as big news (and the people that agreed with him would say "See, even Steven Hawking says it's not true.)

The other physicist posted about on here sometimes (Freeman Dyson) that says global warming isn't as big a deal as it's made out to be (I don't think he outright says it isn't happening) also gets more play because he is and has been a big name scientist for a long time.

 

[dave]

I don't think he gets some kind of special reverence at all or at least no more than any other famous, brilliant scientist.

If he came out and said global warming wasn't happening, what do you think would happen? It would be reported as big news (and the people that agreed with him would say "See, even Steven Hawking says it's not true.)

The other physicist posted about on here sometimes (Freeman Dyson) that says global warming isn't as big a deal as it's made out to be (I don't think he outright says it isn't happening) also gets more play because he is and has been a big name scientist for a long time.

Has he studied global warming and provided data to prove it? If not he is basing his opinion on the same data as everyone else.

 

[PriddyBoy]

I don't think he gets some kind of special reverence at all or at least no more than any other famous, brilliant scientist.

Haha! I'd like to spend about 5 minutes in your world on the condition that I'm tethered and have a safe word for quick extraction.

 

[op2]

Has he studied global warming and provided data to prove it? If not he is basing his opinion on the same data as everyone else.

Funny, I didn't hear you asking that same question about Freeman Dyson.

 

[PriddyBoy]

I don't think he gets some kind of special reverence at all or at least no more than any other famous, brilliant scientist.

Quick, name 2, and dead ones don't count, not even Gene Roddenberry and Isaac Asimov.

 

[bornaneer]

If he came out and said global warming wasn't happening, what do you think would happen?

They would discredit him in a New York Minute. The media would be the ones saying his disease has turned a once brilliant physicist into a "freak show". Thanks for making my point.

 

[op2]

Quick, name 2, and dead ones don't count, not even Gene Roddenberry and Isaac Asimov.

Freeman Dyson (you kind of gave me that one) and Richard Dawkins and Paul Steinhardt and Steven Pinker and Phil Plait and Neil deGrasse Tyson and Jim al-Kahil (spelling of that one is probably wrong...he's a British physicist). Believe it or not, some people like to read stuff scientists write just for fun (not the hard stuff but the popular science stuff). Knowing about scientists isn't weird for some people. Lawrence Krauss.

 

[op2]

They would discredit him in a New York Minute. The media would be the ones saying his disease has turned a once brilliant physicist into a "freak show". Thanks for making my point.

Bull. They'd report it. And some people that didn't like it wouldn't like it and would disagree. So what? Everybody can say what they want. And the majority of scientists acknowledge that global warming is happening. That's just the reality of it. The media isn't reporting only what certain scientists say.

 

[PriddyBoy]

not the hard stuff but the popular science stuff

Popularity is why Tyson sold out, imo. He pretty much held out until the remake of the 'Cosmos' series came to a close. When he finally threw that in at the end, I figured he was drumming up business. Global Warming/Climate Change/whatever the crisis is called tomorrow is signing his paychecks now, unless he has a part time job at the Hadron Collider I don't know about.

 

[op2]

Popularity is why Tyson sold out, imo. He pretty much held out until the remake of the 'Cosmos' series came to a close. When he finally threw that in at the end, I figured he was drumming up business. Global Warming/Climate Change/whatever the crisis is called tomorrow is signing his paychecks now, unless he has a part time job at the Hadron Collider I don't know about.

I only saw a little bit of Cosmos and I didn't see the end but simple common sense should have told you that if he was going to mention global warming at all in Cosmos he'd mention it in a way that acknowledges it's happening. He is a science educator. You can be confident that any statement he makes about science in current events reflects the current scientific thought on the matter. He may make statements now and then about his thoughts on something for which there is no scientific consensus one way or the other and his opinion may different from others opinions but he'll say so if he does he'll say it's just his opinion.

I don't know how much money he makes but whatever it is I'm sure he could make a lot more considering the brand he has built up over the years.

There aren't too many people that I'm absolutely certain are making the world a better place but Neil deGrasse Tyson is one of them.

 

[old buzzard]

Whatever happened to the rest of the world that signed onto the Paris climate change agreement ? Did they suddenly lose their concern for the climate once the US backed out of paying for it ? If they meet their part of the bargain, or more importantly put themselves under the same constraints they held us to, they could save the world without us....but that's not what the Paris Accord was about. If it were then India wouldn't have to have $2.5 trillion to participate and China wouldn't have been allowed to have til the year 2030 to peak their CO2 emissions. This was about redistributing our wealth, not saving the world from climate change.

 

[op2]

Whatever happened to the rest of the world that signed onto the Paris climate change agreement ? Did they suddenly lose their concern for the climate once the US backed out of paying for it ? If they meet their part of the bargain, or more importantly put themselves under the same constraints they held us to, they could save the world without us....but that's not what the Paris Accord was about.

They'll still do whatever they do but the larger point is that what the US does matters over and above what happens because the US is considered the leader of the world (although that is in the process of changing unfortunately, since we're voluntarily abandoning that leadership in favor of America First.).

 

[old buzzard]

They'll still do whatever they do but the larger point is that what the US does matters over and above what happens because the US is considered the leader of the world (although that is in the process of changing unfortunately, since we're voluntarily abandoning that leadership in favor of America First.).

And what is wrong with America First ? I guess you'd be happier if our President said China First, or India First......

 

[bornaneer]

Bull. They'd report it. And some people that didn't like it wouldn't like it and would disagree. So what? Everybody can say what they want. And the majority of scientists acknowledge that global warming is happening. That's just the reality of it. The media isn't reporting only what certain scientists say.

Never said they wouldn't report it.....I'm certain they would. I'm also sure you would also would be able to read their body language as they gave the news......snicker....snicker. True....everyone can say what they want.

 

[op2]

And what is wrong with America First ? I guess you'd be happier if our President said China First, or India First......

I'm just saying that you can't be a world leader while constantly also chanting "America First." They're contradictory. The US did a pretty good job of looking out for its own self-interest while also leading the world over the past 75 years but sadly those days are coming to an end.

There are perks to being the world leader though. You get to spread your values and set up global institution to set those values in stone. The idea of democracy and human rights and all that has been spread in large part because of the US being the world leader. This ideals didn't have to spread. Other ideals could have spread instead. And as the US retreats from the world to do it's own thing and lets the rest of the world to its own devices, whatever forces can dominate will dominate and they won't necessarily be consistent with what the US wants.

That is, if the US continues to retreat from the world. I'm hoping the current retreat is temporary and things reverse eventually.

 

[dave]

Funny, I didn't hear you asking that same question about Freeman Dyson.

Probably because I have no idea who Freeman Dyson is nor do I care. Any other stupid statements?

 

[op2]

Never said they wouldn't report it.....I'm certain they would. I'm also sure you would also would be able to read their body language as they gave the news......snicker....snicker. True....everyone can say what they want.

Why? Why would the snicker, snicker? I think we can be pretty sure that there's literally nothing Steven Hawking could say at this point in his life that the media would snicker at. Even if he said something nutty the media would treat him respectfully.

 

[bornaneer]

Why? Why would the snicker, snicker? I think we can be pretty sure that there's literally nothing Steven Hawking could say at this point in his life that the media would snicker at. Even if he said something nutty the media would treat him respectfully.

My answer was based on IF Hawking came out and said there was no global warming. I think you know how most of the media would treat it.........With a heavy dose of sarcasm. That's the way they treat all scientists and physicists that question Al Gores claims.

 

[Boomboom521]

Probably because I have no idea who Freeman Dyson is nor do I care. Any other stupid statements?

Maybe you should read some more Dave, you know BEFORE thinking you know everything about a subject. I've even read Dyson's views on climate change (and I don't agree with them at all).

 

[Boomboom521]

My answer was based on IF Hawking came out and said there was no global warming. I think you know how most of the media would treat it.........With a heavy dose of sarcasm. That's the way they treat all scientists and physicists that question Al Gores claims.

Do you really think it's Gore's thing? I'm hoping it's just more of your sinister humor.

 

[bornaneer]

Do you really think it's Gore's thing? I'm hoping it's just more of your sinister humor.

For using the issue for political gain? Yes...Yes...Yes. Also, please explain how my humor is "sinister. Sarcastic...yes...but not sinister.

 

[Boomboom521]

For using the issue for political gain? Yes...Yes...Yes. Also, please explain how my humor is "sinister. Sarcastic...yes...but not sinister.

Summing all scientific findings and claims on climate change up into "Al Gore's claims" for one. Obviously attempting to negate legitimate science by drowning it in Gore's political d-baginess.

 

[bornaneer]

Summing all scientific findings and claims on climate change up into "Al Gore's claims" for one. Obviously attempting to negate legitimate science by drowning it in Gore's political d-baginess.

Wrong.....your'e barking up the wrong tree. You must be hard-headed....I've stated a thousand times....I BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE and GLOBAL WARMING at this time. I also believe some of the anti doom and gloom science on the subject.
BTW....I've yet to see your reply to my reply to your post on the NRA Ad thread.

 

[Boomboom521]

Wrong.....your'e barking up the wrong tree. You must be hard-headed....I've stated a thousand times....I BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE and GLOBAL WARMING at this time. I also believe some of the anti doom and gloom science on the subject.
BTW....I've yet to see your reply to my reply to your post on the NRA Ad thread.

"At this time"..... grow a pair of balls and have some beliefs please. Peaches[winking]

 

[bornaneer]

"At this time"..... grow a pair of balls and have some beliefs please. Peaches[winking]

You don't believe climate change is happening now and " at this time"......The science verifies that it is happening "at this time"... Does that clear it up for you?

 

[Boomboom521]

You don't believe climate change is happening now and " at this time"......The science verifies that it is happening "at this time"... Does that clear it up for you?

Nope. Now.....maybe if you said that you believe the climate is changing (like it always has) and there is global warming at this time, but it's not caused by man. That might make a little more sense. Man made climate change isn't happening "at this time" it's happening, and will be until we reverse the trend. Or maybe you are just trying to say that scientific evidence has you believing in manmade climate change "at this time", but new evidence could change your opinion.