Pope is cooked with this quote

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The kids want the most money they can get, on a team that they will start and win enough to showcase their talent to NBA scouts. It’s all about them, their agent, their parents, and their personal future. If the team is going nowhere, they don’t want to go there. That’s what’s happening now and that’s one of the reasons Cal was so successful. He had to best class and guys wanted to be a a part of championships and where the other top players of other positions were going.
 

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A lot of word salads from Pope during interview with Tom.
It’s why I want him out soon. The guys that don’t think everyone hates him not at all. I want his legacy in tact and if he stays here it’s going to be ruined. If he leaves no for health reasons and settles out he’ll remain beloved and got a sweet 16 here etc. it could actually curve the anger coming and salvage the guy.

I’m a program guy I want him remembered for 96. Leave it to Mitch to f up even the 96 memory like everything else.
 

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We have like 6 all stars, multiple gold medal winners, 86 players in the league. Now Anthony Davis has a freaking TV show, and he can’t sign a high school player. That should be impossible.
You are right on the money. And the first year he was recruiting with half of Calipari’s brand. That’s how he did it. It’s his brand now and even with all of that, he’s finished. When he came out against the NBA player stuff it ruined him. He was ruined anyway but that just made the process fast. You don’t do that you just sell both.
 

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They all rep for Arkansas now, probably.
Most of them are just staying out of it. It’s why I don’t want Calipari getting to a final four. More will feel they need to come out and support him. You never say any Pitino players do it for him at UL. They loved him but he had enough respect for their legacies to not pull them into it. Calipari has encouraged it a tried to send F U’s. He’s a total POS and always was
 

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I mean, even Jamal Mashburn came here “to play for the Knicks coach.”

We’re about winning, not about worshipping ourselves. You make the program great and let that create Kentucky hype. Not the other way around.
I've said this the whole time. You don't win national championships by constantly thinking about Tony Delk, Rupp, Givens, John Wall etc. You win national championship because you have the best players, who always feel like they are going to win and refuse to lose + great coaching. Look at the 2012 team they always have said they knew they were going to win. Mark Pope is so fixated on Kentucky's success that he completely misses how that success happened.
 

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Only loser head coaches who can't recruit NBA talent take digs at players who care about more things than just the "Kentucky experience."

Every one of these kids wants to be a pro someday. As @BlueSince92 said, even guys like Mashburn, Delk, Walker and even Pope himself came here to enhance their pro potential.

Mark has jumped the shark. He's turning into a caricature.

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I thought we believed in guys that play for the name on the FRONT of the jersey. Y'all apparently don't believe that now.
There are guys that still love who and where they play for, but their personal NBA goals are always at the top. Like When Calipari first came here it was perfect. Succeed and Proceed. We dominate and then they reap the benefits of getting drafted high. That is the way it should be. They get paid huge money, they love us and play hard for us and win big. Then go on to play the game they want a job in.
 

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How many has he found that "want to be at UK" for next year?
Yeah.. ZERO
Good luck with that philosophy.🤡
I said it before…he’s trying to set the table for when he has to recruit a borderline 4 star or 3 star and Hope like heck they are better than their ranking. And hopefully we have the money to at least attract 1 high caliber talent out of the portal.
 

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You’re missing it. Calipari was extreme. He laughed at Duke for saying program and family matter. He laughed when they said it helps long term. He went all in on players matter program means nothing. That’s not what you do and it’s not what he did early.

Pope is all “it’s Kentucky you either hit your knees or go somewhere else”. That’s wrong.

You sell how great the program is, the fame, this history and what that means to you long term. You also explain we give the platform for your NBA dreams. There is no reason in being extreme in either direction.

Man this ain’t hard I don’t know why we’re making this complicated.
The hard part is there are still idiots here supporting this clown. It is inexcusable what we have been through this year. We continue to set bad records like biggest margin of loss in NCAA game. its just maddening ANYONE can make excuses now.
 

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The hard part is there are still idiots here supporting this clown. It is inexcusable what we have been through this year. We continue to set bad records like biggest margin of loss in NCAA game. its just maddening ANYONE can make excuses now.
I’m about to the point where I question the mental ability of people who support this guy. I’m serious too, it’s either purely psychological madness or?

It’s just so simple. The guy cannot win to a level appropriate here. Period. For sure. A fact. 100% I don’t get it
 

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I think to the fans Cal was extreme. I think to the players he was still selling the program.

Cal wasn't the only guy able to get people to the NBA. There were other big time coaches. Other big time programs going after those same recruits we were. The fact that we got them especially in Cal's earlier years means to me he was definitely selling something else in addition to getting guys to the NBA.

But we aren't in those rooms. We'll never know I guess. All I know is whatever he was saying, was working as far as bringing in guys.

Pope can't bring in ANYONE at this point.

We came into this year relying on Oweh...............and listen I love Oweh but ............yeah.
He brings them in for visits he just can't sell them on coming here. So there is some initial interest but we never lands the recruit.
 

Loucatfan30

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Mark's bias is from his experiences as a player, and he knows that UK fans in general were fed up with Calipari's constant name on the back focus.

To be honest, it was probably a big part of why he was hired.

This is a case of Pope saying what he thinks the Kentucky fans want to hear, and I"m sure there is a segment of fans who were all in during the 80's/90's that like hearing it.
He is a con man at best.
 

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Don’t care what he says at this point . Nothing he can say will get the fans feeling confident .

I just hope this isn’t how he will be recruiting players .
I am with you nothing he can say or do will make me feel as if he can do this job. Even if he lands Stokes we will know its because he had to overpay to get him.
 
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I said it before…he’s trying to set the table for when he has to recruit a borderline 4 star or 3 star and Hope like heck they are better than their ranking. And hopefully we have the money to at least attract 1 high caliber talent out of the portal.
I’d take a 4 star over having zero recruits at this point. It’s one thing to miss on all the elite guys, but to not even find a potential diamond in the rough 4 star or a 3 star long term piece in a full recruiting cycle? That’s inexcusable
 

Loucatfan30

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Oweh isn’t going to take your team far. But on the topic, Calipari was extreme yes. You didn’t see coach K undersell the program importance and he still landed those guys and they rep the brotherhood stuff even today. You use all the tools you have the program is a tool. This isn’t hard. Use both, don’t go extreme in either direction. That is 100% true there is no debate.
The tool Coach K used was USA basketball
 

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Kentucky scheme comes to an end :

- give contracts to incompetent coaches and administration saying that money is from Athletics dept budget or private donors.

- they spent money like there is no tomorrow on private jets and bonuses and retirement gigs or made up positions after retirement…

- sign NIl managing contracts where there is conflict of interest and for unreasonable period of time which smells of corruption.

- spent money on capital projects unnecessary based the consultancy of the same AD that last year put the athletics department in deficit both on ordinary expense ( salary, and regular expenses) and capital projects to the point that Athletic department needs to barrow money from the university fund , which comes from tuition and Commonwealth appreciation ..



the same incompetence was shown by the president and AD handling the Relationship over the years with HOF coach John Calipari., who finally left without costing the university a penny…..they didnt appreciate in their corrupt arrogance the gift given to the university and BBN by Calipari and hired who they hired….


this Is the same university that mistreated Rupp……I guess it’s expected to mistreat John Calipari and the whole fan base with incredible expensive tickets and horrible decisions year after year To the point that BBN is not even showing up to the games
 
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Social media has created emotionally febrile people who react, often out of ignorance. This thread is a great example of the echo chamber satisfaction poster’s seek out of fictional commiseration. How many threads exist for the purpose of parsing a partial quote so posters can justify their immature feelings? Being a public figure today would suck. Okay, now back to the gerbil wheel.
 

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Social media has created emotionally febrile people who react, often out of ignorance. This thread is a great example of the echo chamber satisfaction poster’s seek out of fictional commiseration. How many threads exist for the purpose of parsing a partial quote so posters can justify their immature feelings? Being a public figure today would suck. Okay, now back to the gerbil wheel.
I agree with all that, but Pope isn't the guy.
 

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He is a con man at best.
no I don't think so, I think Mark Pope may be the most honest and honorable coach we've ever had. I think his issue is he wants to mold the UK program into what he saw it as in 1996. Pope credits coming to Kentucky in making him the man he is today, and regardless of what you think about his coaching at UK, Mark, by all external accounts, is good example of what a man should be.

The problem is - he is fighting the new era of college basketball where an 18 year old will commit to your team for $1m dollars and then next week call you up and tell you he has a better offer from college X for $1.5m and you have to do better if you want him to come, and I think that is why we have a number of kids that are either Kentucky raised , returning or just threw a price out there, Kentucky met it and they didn't hassle with negotiating. Pope was reminding kids they had committed and they should honor their word or balking at asking prices of key players. I also think Pope had some loyalty to returning players that was misplaced when he could have upgraded the position.

For Pope to succeed next year, at a minimum, the first thing he has to do is target the players he wants in the portal and just go thru the give and take of negotiation.

The bad part of all this is at first, owning the $22m roster - even though everyone realizes that was an inflated lie created by someone, UK thought it was a recruiting advantage - but not its a nightmare because UK came up will short of what a $22m roster should do, the donors are pissed and won't give as much , in part thinking because UK has plenty of money to waste from someone else donating and players getting recruited by UK are just going to throw wild numbers out there expecting UK to just write a check.

Once that $22m number was thrown out, Pope should have denied it, laughed about it actually and said there is no way we spent that much money on NIL --even if UK did. You never want to be the highest priced house on the block
 

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We killed Cal about the whole "players first" stuff.
We killed him when he said that draft night was one of the biggest nights in UK history............

The truth is this just the reality of the times we live in.

You need talented players to win titles.
Players who main dreams is the NBA.

You have to appeal to that type of player otherwise Pope is doing NOTHING here.
It is an easy over reaction back to this Calipari mindset....but Cal didn't really get it right either at UK in the end....he pivoted a bit once he went to freaking Arkansas.
1. Acuff is a stuff and NBA guy for sure you need.
2. But this is the change....2nd year Billy Richmond, 3rd year Trevor Brazille, 3rd year DJ Wagner, 2nd year Karter Knox

UK for sure needs some NBA guys on the floor....but they need to be surrounded by a combination of experience, shooters, physical men to play inside (not Bradshaw, Ugo, Big Z, etc..).

Seconndly, Pope can get all the kids he wants...he has never shown an ability to coach a team to play their asses off night/in and night out. We come out with no sense of urgency a ton under Pope. He isn't a fiery motivator kids fear and execute for. That is the biggest part I dont' see changning
 
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It is an easy over reaction back to this Calipari mindset....but Cal didn't really get it right either at UK in the end....he pivoted a bit once he went to freaking Arkansas.
1. Acuff is a stuff and NBA guy for sure you need.
2. But this is the change....2nd year Billy Richmond, 3rd year Trevor Brazille, 3rd year DJ Wagner, 2nd year Karter Knox

UK for sure needs some NBA guys on the floor....but they need to be surrounded by a combination of experience, shooters, physical men to play inside (not Bradshaw, Ugo, Big Z, etc..).

Seconndly, Pope can get all the kids he wants...he has never shown an ability to coach a team to play their asses off night/in and night out. We come out with no sense of urgency a ton under Pope. He isn't a fiery motivator kids fear and execute for. That is the biggest part I dont' see changning

With regards to number 2 tho did he really change or are those guys just of lesser quality than the guys he was pulling in at UK. Who were sure fire NBA guys.

I'm of the opinion Cal "pushed" anyone. I feel like he gave them info and they made the decision. Not surprisingly, 2012 and 2015 were our best seasons and in those years he did have people come back to school a 2nd year.
 

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Pope truly doesn't get it. Recruits today don't even remember Anthony Davis's team winning it all. Pope thinks they care about the 90's?!

We're so screwed with this mindset. Hard reality check for Kentucky basketball. Times have changed. Adapt or die.
 
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I’m not sure why wanting kids who respect Kentuckys basketball tradition and history is a bad thing. Does Duke or UNC not sell that to kids? Even if a kid is making money they can be proud of the jersey they’re wearing. Whether you like it or not, that is part of the effort problem with this years team. They never were a team. Just individuals playing basketball.