I think if we can find some younger studs in the portal I'd be all in on that. Just not interested in the beaten down 5th year senior with multiple shoulder surgeries. There needs to be a clear focus on bringing in high school talent and getting more depth in the room.
Portal April 1st
- Thread starter sdvike
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I believe that McNeil and Lamer are both done at 149.
He committed in November of 2020 to Nebraska. That high school year was nothing I agree. He redshirted 22-23. Wrestled 23-24,24-25,25-26. He should have 1 left. I don’t see how he gets 2 any way you spin it.
Lamer definitely; and this was McNeil's 4th ncaa, so seems like both... thanks for the tip. Who put this list together anyway?!
If the NCAA grants him a RS for 2021-2022 because of limited participation. That's how. I don't think they should, and I have my doubts they will, but that is the answer.
I'd like to proclaim to the world that I like @Corby2. We go round and round on occasion, but I have zero issues with him and thinks he brings value to the board.
Thanks for doing this. And had me thinking of the blue chips coming in like Bo and Ross. Nothing like what came in last year but for sure Bo is a title threat. Not as confident with Ross wrestling big grown men but Okie st. does produce heavies.
So I've gone back through every D1 portal transfer from 2021 on (a little over 1200 FWIW). I started going down the rabbit hole of winning percentage/bonus rate before and after but 1) that's a lot of data to track down and 2) at the end of the day what really matters is team points at the NCAA's IMO so I narrowed the focus down to guys that had both transferred from 2021 on and were on the podium. It dropped that number down from about 1200 down to 61. I'll go back and look at ranked kids that didn't make the podium (there were some, but not as many as you would think) but I haven't done so yet.
The results were extremely interesting. Of that 61, 33 had been on the podium before transferring. Only 20 of that 33 were on the podium the next year. A total of 17 transfers that were unranked out of high school made All American at some point BUT of the 8 unranked guys that were AA before transferring, only 4 saw the podium again (2 at 197, 1 at HWT, and 1 at 165). Of the other 9 that weren't on the podium pre-transfer, 3 were at 165 and 2 were at 125.
125, 197, and Heavyweight are extremely volatile classes due to weight and the available talent. 125 pounders tend to grow into 133 pounders as the age. High-end high school heavyweights and 197 pounders tend to play football as well and that is the way they tend to lean in college. Those weight classes are an absolute crap shoot so if you can snag a high-end high school kid (top 25 nationally) at those weight classes, you're already in a pretty good spot. Those guys don't necessarily AA immediately, but just about every single one of them does at some point. If you can find a guy that meets that description in the transfer portal with a couple of years left, regardless of previous AA status, you snag him.
Transfers at 165 can be impactful. 54% of all of the guys on the podium have been transfers over the last 3 tournaments. Obviously, that is skewed by Caliendo and Mesenbrink, but 6 other transfers made the podium, 4 of which were unranked coming out of high school. To the man, those unranked guys were in deep rooms before transferring and almost every one of them bailed with one season of eligibility left so that they could try to make the podium.
If you pull out 165, all of the other weight classes between 133 and 184 there were only 6 transfers that were ranked outside of the top 100 that made All-American. Of those 6, 3 made it before their transfer and didn't do it after. In those weight classes, the talent pool is very deep. A guy can fluke his way onto the podium, but it's incredibly hard to replicate that fluke if the talent isn't there. 17 transfers in that weight range were ranked in the top 50 and all of them made the podium at least once. Only 3 of them failed to make the podium after they transferred (Bailey has a chance). 8 had not medaled before transferring and every one of them medaled at least once.
What I guess I'm saying is that if you want to compete for national titles, you need high end talent. Development and room depth only take you so far. You need hammers. Hit the profile and the points will come.
The results were extremely interesting. Of that 61, 33 had been on the podium before transferring. Only 20 of that 33 were on the podium the next year. A total of 17 transfers that were unranked out of high school made All American at some point BUT of the 8 unranked guys that were AA before transferring, only 4 saw the podium again (2 at 197, 1 at HWT, and 1 at 165). Of the other 9 that weren't on the podium pre-transfer, 3 were at 165 and 2 were at 125.
125, 197, and Heavyweight are extremely volatile classes due to weight and the available talent. 125 pounders tend to grow into 133 pounders as the age. High-end high school heavyweights and 197 pounders tend to play football as well and that is the way they tend to lean in college. Those weight classes are an absolute crap shoot so if you can snag a high-end high school kid (top 25 nationally) at those weight classes, you're already in a pretty good spot. Those guys don't necessarily AA immediately, but just about every single one of them does at some point. If you can find a guy that meets that description in the transfer portal with a couple of years left, regardless of previous AA status, you snag him.
Transfers at 165 can be impactful. 54% of all of the guys on the podium have been transfers over the last 3 tournaments. Obviously, that is skewed by Caliendo and Mesenbrink, but 6 other transfers made the podium, 4 of which were unranked coming out of high school. To the man, those unranked guys were in deep rooms before transferring and almost every one of them bailed with one season of eligibility left so that they could try to make the podium.
If you pull out 165, all of the other weight classes between 133 and 184 there were only 6 transfers that were ranked outside of the top 100 that made All-American. Of those 6, 3 made it before their transfer and didn't do it after. In those weight classes, the talent pool is very deep. A guy can fluke his way onto the podium, but it's incredibly hard to replicate that fluke if the talent isn't there. 17 transfers in that weight range were ranked in the top 50 and all of them made the podium at least once. Only 3 of them failed to make the podium after they transferred (Bailey has a chance). 8 had not medaled before transferring and every one of them medaled at least once.
What I guess I'm saying is that if you want to compete for national titles, you need high end talent. Development and room depth only take you so far. You need hammers. Hit the profile and the points will come.
So IF I read you correctly??? TnT and Crew should be on their way to CALI soon and picking up THREEEE guys in the portal!!!!!
HINT- they should bring along some REAL WOOD!!!
MAN!!!! Felt like I was back in skool reading this!!!! NOT sure what you do for a living??? Guessing it is something with computers and hoping it is making you a lot of CASH!!!!
And lots of foot speed drills. Didn’t look like as much of a plodder in high school.
I’m old enough to remember the last “plodder” this board complained about. He transferred…and was an NCAA runner up as a soph, an NCAA champ as a junior, and Covid robbed him of a chance to defend his title.
Exactly. On all these forums the negativity drives me bonkers. Nothing good comes from it so get behind the guys we got.
...did you just miss Patrick Kennedy's whole career?
Curious to see if one of those hammers at 133 are goint to try to drop weight to jump in the fray at 125, where they might have a chance to win it all...
That sounds reasonable i guess when you put it that way. I don't have a dog in the fight so I'll bow out as I don't really agree with the all or nothing argument either. I also don't like being viewed as one of those fans rubbing it in and i refrain from that as it comes across unbecoming anyhow thanks for the insight
What you are missing is that he didn’t wrestle the 23-24 year, he gave the finger to the parents section at SS, dropped out of school, didn’t train a day of freestyle, and called that an ORS year, which is an absolute travesty and abuse of the ORS system.
Of the Penn State guys, the most likely to transfer are Sealey, Connor Mirasola, Davis, and Desmond (probably in that order). I’m sure Sealey is going to want a chance to shoot his shot and he is permanently blocked from the PSU starting lineup. The others, I have my doubts that they will leave except maybe for their final season.
Id say Davis is at the very top of the list of guys likely to hit the portal. Michigan would be a likely landing spot since he’s from there. Wouldn’t surprise me to see swiderski there as well. Those 2 back2back in a lineup would be fireworks…and not in a good way
