Prep Bowl Update
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Don't disagree, but I can't see it being good for morale on either side if they start anticipating/projecting their teams to lose in the playoffs.
MaxPreps schedules has Niles ND hosting Marian Catholic on 11/06. Whitney Young is scheduled to play Walter Payton TBD. Haven't looked into other schedules yet.
CCL/ESCC St. Rita, St. Patrick, St. Ignatius, Notre Dame, Marian Catholic, Marmion, Leo
CPL: Kenwood Lane, Young, Morgan Park, Payton, King, Simeon, Bulls
This was the list Mike Clark put out last week. If I remember correctly, teams that advance past this weekend in the state playoffs are no longer eligible for the Prep Bowl playoffs.
So what happens if CPS has a uneven amount of teams next week for the CPS playoffs? Then what do they do? Cause the city championship has always been played a week before Thanksgiving.
Byes. They also have done early in the week games before, like on a Tuesday night. Then a Tuesday winner plays on Saturday. They'll do what they need to do in order to have the CPS and Catholic finals no later than the Saturday before Thanksgiving.
Prep Bowl Playoffs: Niles Notre Dame 30, Marian Catholic 14 FINAL
Do we see a ND/Pats rivalry game in the Prep Bowl Playoffs if Pats is defeated by Cary Grove this weekend?
Do we see a ND/Pats rivalry game in the Prep Bowl Playoffs if Pats is defeated by Cary Grove this weekend?
I don’t believe entry is allowed for pats due to making it past first round of playoffs.
I believe a few years back that was offered to teams. I do agree especially with the odd numbers this year.
Here is a question for the Prep Bowl Fans.
What is more important to the CCL, a Prep Bowl Championship or State Championship?
What about the CPS would those schools rather win a CPS Title or get beaten in the 2nd round of the playoffs?
What is more important to the CCL, a Prep Bowl Championship or State Championship?
What about the CPS would those schools rather win a CPS Title or get beaten in the 2nd round of the playoffs?
I'm going to assume that this is a genuine question, and not simply a way to take a serious shot at the CPL while boosting the CCL.
So...
It's a State Championship. Full Stop. CPL or CCL. State Championship. Period. The Prep Bowl is a great way to extend the season and play meaningful football if a team gets eliminated from the IHSA Playoffs. To insinuate that the Prep Bowl is below the status of the CCL, while at the same time saying it is the highest aspiration for the "lowly" CPL, would be insulting and demeaning to Chicago Public League Kids . (Which I am sure you didn't mean...)
Different teams and players have their own goals and aspirations when it comes to football. We often sit here on message boards assuming that winning a State Championship is the ultimate achievement for every program, but that simply isn’t true.
My question is: would CPS football be better off stepping away from the IHSA playoffs and instead creating a tiered CPS playoff system? This would allow every team and athlete the chance to compete for something meaningful and special within the city.
My question is: would CPS football be better off stepping away from the IHSA playoffs and instead creating a tiered CPS playoff system? This would allow every team and athlete the chance to compete for something meaningful and special within the city.
Are you making this proposal to all of the conferences in the state that don't typically send teams deep into the state playoffs? If so, then maybe I could get down with the stance that CPS kids don't have the same goals as the rest of football teams in the state. If this is simply the tired old, "CPS sucks, it can't compete with the blueblood schools in the CCL, they shouldn't be allowed to compete outside of the city" stuff, then I'm out.
surprises it took until week 2 of the playoffs for this idea to be thrown out there this year.Just say what you're thinking, that you don't want CPS schools in the playoffs and that they don't belong there.
Here’s what I’m saying: there are probably only about five CPS football programs that can truly compete with teams across the state — Kenwood, Lane, Morgan Park, Simeon, and Whitney Young.
So, would CPS football be better off pulling its 80 football-playing schools out of the IHSA and creating its own city-wide playoff system? They’ve already acknowledged that roughly two dozen schools shouldn’t be playing outside the city. Why not take that a step further and build a two- or three-class system within CPS itself — giving every team and athlete the opportunity to compete for something meaningful?
I have to believe most of these athletes would rather play for a city championship than end their season after nine games with nothing to show for it.
This isn’t about excluding or discriminating — it’s about creating more opportunity and giving city schools something greater to play for beyond just their regular season.
So, would CPS football be better off pulling its 80 football-playing schools out of the IHSA and creating its own city-wide playoff system? They’ve already acknowledged that roughly two dozen schools shouldn’t be playing outside the city. Why not take that a step further and build a two- or three-class system within CPS itself — giving every team and athlete the opportunity to compete for something meaningful?
I have to believe most of these athletes would rather play for a city championship than end their season after nine games with nothing to show for it.
This isn’t about excluding or discriminating — it’s about creating more opportunity and giving city schools something greater to play for beyond just their regular season.
But you are speaking for kids, you don't know what these athletes would rather do. It seems like this is what you would rather see.
The overwhelming majority of kids that play football in the state end their season after nine games with nothing to show for it. I don't see you advocating for any of those teams to rally together and get an alternative playoff so they can play for something meaningful. You clearly have never been to a CPL game, let alone talked to any of these kids about what they want or think is important. Stop with the fake concern and pleasantries. You think CPL kids don't belong in the state playoffs. Period.
If athletes would want to shy away from the state playoffs and want to just beat up on other CPS schools, I would genuinely question their 'want' to play football. When you play against 1 CPS school outside the top division, you've basically played against all of them. You can realistically go against any lower tier CPS game and run a Double A gap blitz every play and win, that is not good competition. Also, the amount of 'Forfeits' we would see in that playoff bracket would be insane. As winter sports starts, so many smaller school football teams would be decimated.
Also, if there are CPS coaches that agree to this potential playoff system then:
1. They are not the coach you want for your child's program.
2. They are a low-tier CPS coach for a reason.
Do you have the same feelings towards conferences like the Upstate 8 where teams have over inflated records due to a weak conference and typically get blown out in the early rounds? Those kids deserve more meaningful games too, can they also join your tournament of teams you don't want to see in the playoffs?
Also, Lane in the same category as those four other schools? Do you watch CPS games?
Last year in the Prep Bowl St Ignatius 5-6 running clocked 12-1 Whitney Young 47-8. Leave it CPS vs CCL. 1979 they tried that inviting Sica & other schools to the Prep Bowl & those conferences declined. They did get Joliet Catholic & Marian Catholic that year out of the Illini 8. Marian won a game then got beat while Joliet Catholic won the Catholic League side of the playoffs but were upset by Julian in the Prep Bowl. 1980 the Catholic League didn’t want Marian or Joliet Catholic in its playoffs
In 1979 there was going to be no Prep Bowl until Taylor Bell intervened and convinced McDade's Catalogue house to sponsor the tournament and NBC Channel 5 to continue broadcasting the Semi Finals & Championship games. Only 80 teams made the IHSA playoffs in 1979 (today that number is 256). Taylor Bell's pitch was that there were a lot of very good teams that did not make the playoffs and his pitch to secure the sponsorship deal was that it would be expanded beyond the traditional CCL & CPS teams. BTW, St. Viator had a strong program back then and also participated. Without Taylor Bell's action the annual event would have had its last game be in 1978.
Since CPS and CCL wins majority of the basketball championships, other conferences should be kept out of the state playoffs too.....just going by your logic.