Pribula ripple effect?

1995PSUGrad

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Does anyone think that Pribula transferring caused division in the locker room especially on offense? Did the transfer and the way they lost to ND spill into this year? Just seems like once the guy is THE guy, then all competitions for first string die. The hubby and I were discussing this today.
Seriously?
 

KingLando

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So the standard is how you play at QB against a team as good as Alabama? If so, Beau actually wins folks.
It's not...watch the game. He threw 2 picks, another one was flat out dropped, he fumbled and they luckily recovered and they had no passing offense to speak of. Their first (scripted) and second to last drives (against soft prevent down 10) was the only time he did anything. If our QB played like that he'd be killed. Allar isn't even allowed to throw a pick.

They also lost...why do people think they won lol
 

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It's not...watch the game. He threw 2 picks, another one was flat out dropped, he fumbled and they luckily recovered and they had no passing offense to speak of. Their first (scripted) and second to last drives (against soft prevent down 10) was the only time he did anything. If our QB played like that he'd be killed. Allar isn't even allowed to throw a pick.

They also lost...why do people think they won lol
Go away
 
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lol Lando still bashing on Beau. As predicable as the sun rising.
Bashing or providing an honest assessment
As I said during the game...he's another QB that Franklin and his staff damaged with their inability to coach.
Beau threw two picks, should had 3, fumbled the ball, took multiple sacks and had about 35 yards passing other than scripted plays and against prevent.
He lost...multiple people said he won which means they didn't watch. Even LTM's dumb *** commented he was premature after the first drive and Beau was awful. And he's in love with Beau.
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Franklin is a people person first. It's a superpower that makes him a good recruiter. He's honest with recruits and their families, and tries to hold to his word. There's a lot of good there.

But, that comes back to haunt you when players don't work out for whatever reason. I think the Ryan Day example is a good one. You can't let 1-2 player relationships derail your program for multiple years.

Allar and Singleton are good examples of kids who came in highly touted and regressed for one reason or another. The reasons are less important than the ultimate on-field output. If it doesn't work, then a modern coach has to make changes.

Allar and Singleton aren't the only reasons this team has spun sideways. I'm sure there are other examples. But I think much of it comes back to Franklin's desire to make good on the recruiting relationships and promises he made. His final press conference said as much.
Yup. And this gets back to the transfer portal: you have to be willing to bring new guys in, but arguably more important is that you have to be willing to let guys go.

It's part of the game, now. And as you said: Franklin's greatest strength was convincing good players to come to this program, but this was ironically his greatest weakness, as well. Once he got a kid in the door, he felt beholden to them. And you can't do that and be a good coach at the same time. You have to be willing to have those tough conversations where you say, "This isn't working out for you here. You need to explore your options."
 

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Beau would not been any better than 3-3 Just look at the Bama game their season is not over yet has not played away in the SEC just wait

Also did not win the QB all summer until first game when other QB got hurt
 
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So we're saying Mizzou recruits better WRs than us? How is that possible with a master recruiter as head coach?
Because CJF was overrated as a recruiter
We also love to recruit athletes at WR
Kevin Coleman is a great route runner and they actually play freshman like Olugbode
 

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Stop being wrong
Why did you claim he won? Clearly you didn't watch the game...
This is the problem with you. You like to argue so much that you don’t even realize you are arguing with one person about something someone else said.
 

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This is the problem with you. You like to argue so much that you don’t even realize you are arguing with one person about something someone else said.
I'm not. Beau didn't win. And, if you just used poor English there and were trying to claim he outperformed him then you still didn't watch the game.

So the standard is how you play at QB against a team as good as Alabama? If so, Beau actually wins folks.
 

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Bashing or providing an honest assessment
As I said during the game...he's another QB that Franklin and his staff damaged with their inability to coach.
Beau threw two picks, should had 3, fumbled the ball, took multiple sacks and had about 35 yards passing other than scripted plays and against prevent.
He lost...multiple people said he won which means they didn't watch. Even LTM's dumb *** commented he was premature after the first drive and Beau was awful. And he's in love with Beau.
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Yikes, sounds like Beau didn’t have a great game. I didn’t watch, but a QBR of 78.6 against Alabama is not so good. He really doesn’t compare to Drew as you’ve told us time and time and time again. So to prove it, let’s look at how Drew did during the meat of his schedule:

Let’s start at FIU where he had a QBR of 56.1. Ok not great but that’s just one game. Everybody has bad games so let’s move on.

What about Nevada? Well hopefully you didn’t watch that game because his QBR was only 38.9. But I’m sure there were drops and bad play calls and receivers falling down and such.

And against that vaunted Villanova defense? I’m sorry to report that Drew’s QBR in that game was 18.8 😬. Not sure how that’s even possible against an FCS team but it couldn’t possibly have been his fault.

So to sum up, I think I’ve proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Drew Allar is a much better QB than Beau Pribula.
 
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Yikes, sounds like Beau didn’t have a great game. I didn’t watch, but a QBR of 78.6 against Alabama is not so good. He really doesn’t compare to Drew as you’ve told us time and time and time again. So to prove it, let’s look at how Drew did during the meat of his schedule:

Let’s start at FIU where he had a QBR of 56.1. Ok not great but that’s just one game. Everybody has bad games so let’s move on.

What about Nevada? Well hopefully you didn’t watch that game because his QBR was only 38.9. But I’m sure there were drops and bad play calls and receivers falling down and such.

And against that vaunted Villanova defense? I’m sorry to report that Drew’s QBR in that game was 18.8 😬. Not sure how that’s even possible against an FCS team but it couldn’t possibly have been his fault.

So to sum up, I think I’ve proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Drew Allar is a much better QB than Beau Pribula.
And you have to look past numbers--that why data needs to be analyzed but I know you don't comprehend that.
Actually watch the games and lose the bias--maybe you could post something decent.
As you said "you didn't watch" so you have no clue what you're talking about.
 

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On those money downs, Pribula went 1-for-5 passing for seven yards and two picks. He was also sacked once and ran for no gain twice, including once where he fumbled (but Brett Norfleet recovered).

On Mizzou's second offensive possession, Pribula rolled to his right on a 3rd-and-4 and had a wide open Marquis Johnson deep down the field. Pribula uncorked a throw … and it sailed right and out of bounds.

Pribula nearly had one of his throws intercepted early, then later had two passes picked off in the fourth quarter
 

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On those money downs, Pribula went 1-for-5 passing for seven yards and two picks. He was also sacked once and ran for no gain twice, including once where he fumbled (but Brett Norfleet recovered).

On Mizzou's second offensive possession, Pribula rolled to his right on a 3rd-and-4 and had a wide open Marquis Johnson deep down the field. Pribula uncorked a throw … and it sailed right and out of bounds.

Pribula nearly had one of his throws intercepted early, then later had two passes picked off in the fourth quarter
And Johnson didn't have a player within 20 yards of him
 

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Seriously?
Yes, seriously or I wouldn’t have asked it. I’m not saying it’s the right answer. I’m saying is it possible. Our argument was that perhaps the offense had more confidence in Pribula than Allar. Maybe seeing that once the guy is the guy, then why try to improve yourself if you’re not going to be the guy…just sit back and wait to transfer. Maybe it was AK and forcing square pegs into round holes. Bad attitudes are contagious. I’ve been a teacher for 25+ years and I’ve seen this happen in the classroom and even on our HS football teams. Leaders have to do something to improve the attitude. I just didn’t see the same fire in this team from game one.
 

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Yes, seriously or I wouldn’t have asked it. I’m not saying it’s the right answer. I’m saying is it possible. Our argument was that perhaps the offense had more confidence in Pribula than Allar. Maybe seeing that once the guy is the guy, then why try to improve yourself if you’re not going to be the guy…just sit back and wait to transfer. Maybe it was AK and forcing square pegs into round holes. Bad attitudes are contagious. I’ve been a teacher for 25+ years and I’ve seen this happen in the classroom and even on our HS football teams. Leaders have to do something to improve the attitude. I just didn’t see the same fire in this team from game one.
They didn't have more confidence in Beau--see how often we stalled last year when he came into the game. They would have transferred about we lost to Notre Dame if that were true
AK was forcing the square peg into the round hole but that's not about Drew or Beau--that's about AK.
It's more about losing Warren and Carter not the backup QB
 
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SouthHalls410

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They didn't have more confidence in Beau--see how often we stalled last year when he came into the game. They would have transferred about we lost to Notre Dame if that were true
AK was forcing the square peg into the round hole but that's not about Drew or Beau--that's about AK.
It's more about losing Warren and Carter not the backup QB
It’s just mind boggling then as to why this team had no fire or seemingly no goal to win it all attitude from game one. I saw a team afraid to make a mistake and lacking confidence. Like my hubby said, it seems like they were just checked out .
 

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It’s just mind boggling then as to why this team had no fire or seemingly no goal to win it all attitude from game one. I saw a team afraid to make a mistake and lacking confidence. Like my hubby said, it seems like they were just checked out .
I think Franklin has driven "let's play safe" into their heads so much they've become too cautious.
 
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1995PSUGrad

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Yes, seriously or I wouldn’t have asked it. I’m not saying it’s the right answer. I’m saying is it possible. Our argument was that perhaps the offense had more confidence in Pribula than Allar. Maybe seeing that once the guy is the guy, then why try to improve yourself if you’re not going to be the guy…just sit back and wait to transfer. Maybe it was AK and forcing square pegs into round holes. Bad attitudes are contagious. I’ve been a teacher for 25+ years and I’ve seen this happen in the classroom and even on our HS football teams. Leaders have to do something to improve the attitude. I just didn’t see the same fire in this team from game one.
I am not sure how anyone could have more confidence in Pribula than Allar, at least no one that has seen them both play.
 

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Does anyone think that Pribula transferring caused division in the locker room especially on offense? Did the transfer and the way they lost to ND spill into this year? Just seems like once the guy is THE guy, then all competitions for first string die. The hubby and I were discussing this today.
I've been thinking a ton about this. Pribula was a major weapon last season for PSU and even won the Wiscy Game. Because of the rules, he was forced to portal early and, to be honest the team lost one of their offensive weapons. I am sure there was some division in the lockeroom because the guy was a good football player. Fast forward to this year and our offense lacked the ability of the QB to run. I am sure it had something to do with it.
Either way, something wasn't right since the start of the season. Almost like JF was trying to show Kraft what playing the portal pays was like. The team and the coaches were all just going through the motions. Anyone watching the first three games knew what we were headed for.
 

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McSorely also had the luxury of throwing up 50/50 balls to guys like Godwin, Gesicki, Johnson and Blacknall. Big, physical WRs with good hands. Not every QB has that.
That's just it. With that crew they were more like 80-20 balls
 
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razpsu

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The biggest problem with Franklin is that he viewed football coaching totally through the lens of recruiting. He promised Allar that he would start for his tenure at Penn State. Thus, Franklin was going to start Allar even if Mahones showed up and wanted to play. Pribula was never going to start no matter how good he was. Franklin promised Allen and Singleton that they would get nearly equal carries every game. Thus, when Allen was playing well this year and Singleton sucked, Singleton got nearly equal carries. It goes on and on. Franklin was a recruiter and little else. He spent his time and energy recruiting. That is how he viewed the job of head college football coach.
It is strange that he is labeled a recruiter when his classes were inconsistent. Also why did he become a ceo. He used to be an offensive play caller. I watch kiffen, saban, day, smart they are talking constantly and emotional and constantly coaching. For years I watched joe call offensive plays and was involved heavily as well. I just don’t get it.
 

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There is a vast difference between Pribula and McSorley. McSorley was a much better passer and way more accurate. Also, McSorley was a much better runner.

I watched Pribula in his game against Alabama. Pribula still has the same weaknesses he had at Penn State. He is not a reliable passer for anything beyond 10 yards.
Then you should watch Beau more as he has been an effective passer and has made some great tight throws and long throws this year. The word on Beau was that he was a bigger faster mcsorely.
His first year starting. His learning curve is growing!! Allar’s went backwards.
 
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razpsu

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I didnt watch the game, but looked at the stat line. Beau was pretty pedestrian. But they still had a chance. Just curious, how does his supporting cast compare to if he was starting for PSU this year?
They still kept it close vs bama. What if bama played psu last well. Dear lord!! We would have scored 3 points.
 

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I've been thinking a ton about this. Pribula was a major weapon last season for PSU and even won the Wiscy Game. Because of the rules, he was forced to portal early and, to be honest the team lost one of their offensive weapons. I am sure there was some division in the lockeroom because the guy was a good football player. Fast forward to this year and our offense lacked the ability of the QB to run. I am sure it had something to do with it.
Either way, something wasn't right since the start of the season. Almost like JF was trying to show Kraft what playing the portal pays was like. The team and the coaches were all just going through the motions. Anyone watching the first three games knew what we were headed for.
Beau was not forced to portal early. People have to stop spreading that lie. He could have declared after we were eliminated like Wallace and others did. He reacted emotionally.
 
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KingLando

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They still kept it close vs bama. What if bama played psu last well. Dear lord!! We would have scored 3 points.
He was worse against Bama than Drew was against Oregon. Drew gets crucified for one pick. Beau had 2 and should have had 3 along with a fumble.
 

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The biggest problem with Franklin is that he viewed football coaching totally through the lens of recruiting. He promised Allar that he would start for his tenure at Penn State. Thus, Franklin was going to start Allar even if Mahones showed up and wanted to play. Pribula was never going to start no matter how good he was. Franklin promised Allen and Singleton that they would get nearly equal carries every game. Thus, when Allen was playing well this year and Singleton sucked, Singleton got nearly equal carries. It goes on and on. Franklin was a recruiter and little else. He spent his time and energy recruiting. That is how he viewed the job of head college football coach.

The biggest problem with Franklin is that he viewed football coaching totally through the lens of recruiting. He promised Allar that he would start for his tenure at Penn State. Thus, Franklin was going to start Allar even if Mahones showed up and wanted to play. Pribula was never going to start no matter how good he was. Franklin promised Allen and Singleton that they would get nearly equal carries every game. Thus, when Allen was playing well this year and Singleton sucked, Singleton got nearly equal carries. It goes on and on. Franklin was a recruiter and little else. He spent his time and energy recruiting. That is how he viewed the job of head college football coach.
Going. back a few years the same thing happened with Todd Blackledge and Jeff Hostetler. There was no way Jeff could get the starting position while Joe had promised Todd and his parents that he would start.
 

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Beau was not forced to portal early. People have to stop spreading that lie. He could have declared after we were eliminated like Wallace and others did. He reacted emotionally.
Technically, you are right. However, I am sure it is different for a QB and the timing of a QB can't really wait in a situation like his. Like everything, I am sure the truth lies in the middle but to call his timing a lie isn't correct.
 

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He was worse against Bama than Drew was against Oregon. Drew gets crucified for one pick. Beau had 2 and should have had 3 along with a fumble.
Drew couldn’t even play well against northwestern lol. 1st quarter pick was horrendous. Beau stats for year still way better than drew
 
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Going. back a few years the same thing happened with Todd Blackledge and Jeff Hostetler. There was no way Jeff could get the starting position while Joe had promised Todd and his parents that he would start.
Both QBs were so good. Todd in college and hostetler at wvu then nfl
 
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I think this is one of the problems with Penn State football under James Franklin, and I've mentioned it in other threads.

There's a meme going around that says Ryan Day saw 1 season of Kyle McCord and said, "We can do better."

But Franklin saw 1 season of Drew and said, "Run it back and go again." Then he saw a second season of Drew and said, "Run it back and go again."

So, I agree it does seem like there's not really a competition for certain starting positions. Instead, Franklin was just playing favorites and for all his claims about being a metrics guy, he sure as hell wasn't paying close attention to the data because the data clearly said, "Stop giving Nick Singleton carries."
He did it with the RBs too. Two seasons of guys is enough.
 

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There is a vast difference between Pribula and McSorley. McSorley was a much better passer and way more accurate. Also, McSorley was a much better runner.

I watched Pribula in his game against Alabama. Pribula still has the same weaknesses he had at Penn State. He is not a reliable passer for anything beyond 10 yards.
I dont get the fascination with Pribula. Hes nothing special, just the "next guy in line".
 

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Does anyone think that Pribula transferring caused division in the locker room especially on offense? Did the transfer and the way they lost to ND spill into this year? Just seems like once the guy is THE guy, then all competitions for first string die. The hubby and I were discussing this today.

PSU will be stuck with The Curse of the Beaubino. 86 more years without a Natty.
 

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Technically, you are right. However, I am sure it is different for a QB and the timing of a QB can't really wait in a situation like his. Like everything, I am sure the truth lies in the middle but to call his timing a lie isn't correct.
He had options...he was not forced into anything. I don't blame him for his decision but it was his decision