We had about the 40th toughest schedule in the country. If you want to add a couple high profile ooc games fine. Methinks adding Princeton is dumb not brave. Truth.
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Cancel SHU. They were a Q3 loss and cost us. Too risky.
RU72 I love reading your posts and greatly appreciate you but I respectfully disagree. The end all be all is the NCAA tourney. The committee sent us a clear message about high risk quad three games. With Princeton the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. Does PA’s B1G rep play Penn? Man I can’t stand watching Penn St on tv right now.
Plenty of other schools we can/should play over Princeton.
The rivalry is dead, and that’s okay.
The rivalry is dead, and that’s okay.
Are you joking about propping up Princeton? I mean seriously. Don't think they are Essex Community College. That's weird. Let me ask this. Why does Princeton bother playing Rutgers in women's basketball,men's and women's soccer,men's and women's lacrosse,etc. Does it help them. Or help Rutgers. The only reason to play any game is because it helps our NET. Have we lost all perspective on sports. And I promise this. If Princeton was a NET of 111 and Drexel was also a 111,a loss to Princeton would be treated differently and as a rivalry game. I won't elaborate.
Yet, if you’re going to do play a crappy out of conference schedule(which I’ve previously said that I don’t care), play a game that has some meaning for God’s sake.
Yes, I'd be happy to remove Seton Hall from the schedule too. These intrastate "rivalries" mean nothing to me.
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Lol.. the series goes back to 1917 with two of the oldest schools that were established before the American revolution only 17 miles apart.. having played 120 times.
You seriously cannot compare that to PSU vs U of Penn.
Yet a loss to 78 SHU was finger wagged as a Q3 loss, with commentary that we had to schedule better out of conference. Don't think they were treated differently this year because it was a rivalry game.
This isn’t 1917, it isn’t even 2017 anymore. Rutgers is a rising program and better focus on making the NCAA tournament if it wants to keep rising. I absolutely can compare that to another B1G team and how they view the Ivies, a quad three or four time bomb.
This 100%. I’d love to sprinkle the schedule with regional rivalries but the risk is too high.
The SHU loss literally cost us the NCAAs this year.
Oh man. Seton Hall is not a traditional rival. Come on. Penn is not a rival of Penn State. Yale is not a rival of UConn.Brown is not a rival of Rhody. That is crazy. Rutgers has one sports rival. Only one. In all sports. Princeton. That will never change. Big Ten or no Big Ten. Check out the buzz in every other sport which Rutgers plays. Mitch will play Rutgers 2-1 at Rutgers. If the only issue is the differential between beating Columbia by 30 and beating or losing to Princeton by 5, then there are bigger issues which I can't comprehend on a roster with Cliff,Derek,Gavin,Ace, Warren and maybe Dylan.
Respect and enjoy your posts but you are way off on this one.
The Princeton basketball rivalry is dead. It’s been dead for years.
SHU is a much, much bigger rival in basketball now.
With all due respect, nobody cares about playing Princeton unless you’re probably 65 or older.
When I was at RU (2007-2011) I absolutely hated playing Princeton. It was such a horrible game to watch (yes they’ve evolved a bit).
No students ever considered Princeton a rivalry, and I’m pretty sure the players didn’t either.
In any OOC schedule, aren't we always going to play some teams that are comparable in difficulty to Princeton? For any of those teams, a loss would be a bad loss. It seems to me that if we're going to play any of those teams, we might as well play Princeton and get whatever juice can be gotten from having an in-state opponent. For the same reason, I'd be inclined to keep playing Seton Hall.
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It’s real soft on pike for being afraid to play them or really in general a legitimate ooc schedule to begin with
I’m not joking about a Big Ten basketball team propping up an Ivy League basketball team. They won a tournament game, in a tournament that’s loved because of its upsets. That’s the danger of playing an inferior team one time; there can be anomalies that can negatively impact YOUR team.
I’m not sure I understand why you brought up other sports. We’re peers with Princeton in lacrosse, soccer, and wrestling. Worse in women’s basketball now, better previously. Long distance travel is also more cost prohibitive for non-revenue sports. So for those sports, it makes sense that they’d play each other.
For men’s basketball, where in a season that is now considered successful for Princeton they would be at best a Q2 win and at worst a Q3 loss, it doesn’t make sense. For football, it wouldn’t even be a fair matchup.
Like it or not, the NET matters now. Bad losses matter; we just missed the tournament a few days ago largely due to bad losses. We don’t need to play Princeton as part of some vanity project to bring nostalgia to people who liked the series 40 years ago. We need to win games and focus solely on making and winning in the tournament.
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Haha the posters who are afraid to play princeton are laughable. We play a total dogshit ooc schedule and need to improve it. A simple 2-1 with princeton is a slam dunk on so many levels.
When away, we can create a neutral court environment at jadwin in a q2 away game (committee loves away ooc wins), when home its a q3 home game (youre allowed some q3’s losses and arent we supposed to have an unreal home court?).
If you give your balls a tug here your ideal occ
SHU
Gavitt/years were not in gavitt schedule a p6 game
Holiday tourney (memphis, oklahoma, siena giving the example of seton halls opponents in theirs this year).
Temple/Hofstra 2 for 1
Princeton 2 for 1
Monmouth 2 for 1
Central CT
FDU
When away, we can create a neutral court environment at jadwin in a q2 away game (committee loves away ooc wins), when home its a q3 home game (youre allowed some q3’s losses and arent we supposed to have an unreal home court?).
If you give your balls a tug here your ideal occ
SHU
Gavitt/years were not in gavitt schedule a p6 game
Holiday tourney (memphis, oklahoma, siena giving the example of seton halls opponents in theirs this year).
Temple/Hofstra 2 for 1
Princeton 2 for 1
Monmouth 2 for 1
Central CT
FDU
Why would I care whether 2 schools I didn’t go to advance more than I care about any other matchup, other than gambling or bracket pools? In fact, why would I want a school to advance that, based on this thread, is our one true rival? I didn’t root for Penn State either. I was happy when Seton Hall lost their NIT game.
What reason is there for playing Princeton, other than nostalgia for the older fans? We wouldn’t get rewarded for a win. We would get punished for a loss, and they would show up with added intensity for an in-state game against a P5 school. Any feel good story possibly coming out of this game would be a feel bad story for Rutgers.
We can’t complain about the weak scheduling, and about not beating the teams we’re supposed to beat, and then throw a low-ranked, hungry, in-state school on the schedule. It doesn’t make sense when looking at the big picture.
Princeton '72 alum. Would love to see the rivalry reignited. I remember Brian Taylor against John Somgyi (sp?). Would be great to see it again. The notion that everything in the tourney is silly. There are other things than just the tourney.
The opposite of what we should be doing. It’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Boring cupcake games early in the season mixed with 1-2 high profile OOC games = Exciting games in March.
With all due respect, Pike ended practices with “Dance” from the day he got here. We’re in the Big Ten. The goal is championships, it’s not beating Princeton or setting up a weak tournament with Monmouth, NJIT and FDU.
If we’re not going out there with the primary on-court goal being making and succeeding in the tournament, we should just shut it down.
We’d have a great chance of losing 3-4 OOC games a year with this schedule (with 2-3 likely being Q3 or lower), which would likely require us to go 12-8 or better in conference right off the bat.
I think its a good idea to not play Princeton. You’re expected to win and if you don’t it’s a bad look and a Q3 loss at home. Doesn’t seem like it’s happening but the solution to the OOC games should be to play in a holiday tournament.
Understand your position completely, GORU. I just disagree with it. First, playing Princeton would have nothing to do with winning the B1G. As for winning the NCAAs, if we had a team with a chance of that, we wouldn't be having trouble playing Princeton.
I suspect that what you are saying is that getting as high a seed as possible, and getting as far in the tourney as possible, is all that RU basketball should be about. Couldn't disagree more.
We should define what RU basketball is about, not a bunch of Rutgers-hating NCAA selection committee members. Schedule a great rivalry, and win the damn game. Yeah, Princeton often plays way over their heads. So do we. And then they lose clunkers. So do we. Not everything should be about trying to outthink the selection committee. Schedule great games that people will love. And that should include SHU and Princeton. We shouldn't let others determine our fate.
But, as I said at the outset, I do appreciate your position and don't think it is unreasonable.
Some guys who went to Rutgers college when only boys went there , sadly , had "class envy" about Princeton and some kind of inferiority complex. Others loved RU and just wanted to beat Princeton's *** because we considered them douche bags..Unless you're still in category 1 why would you want to advocate playing them? Rutgers today is not the wantabe ivy league school of yesterday , it's a great big ten research school that doesn't need to play them to prove it's worth.
It's amazing what people will twist and say, when they want something, even if it defeats their own arguments.
You cannot possibly say one or two weeks ago, that RU should fly across the country to play Gonzaga OR try and schedule Duke, Kansas or UConn at MSG and say the goal is to upgrade the schedule and then 2 weeks later when Princeton wins their 1st NCAA game in almost 25 years and then say "playing Princeton helps upgrade your OOC schedule ".
Playing Princeton does not upgrade your OOC, playing other teams from other conferences that receive at large bids does. There is essentially no difference in terms of Q2/Q3 between playing Wake Forest, Seton Hall or St John's or potentially playing Georgia, Texas A&M or Vanderbilt.
Playing a better OOC schedule needs to happen, but it doesn't or should not involve Princeton. The Ivy League could argue they are a multiple bid NCAA league, but it's really 3 to 4 solid programs most of the last 20 years (Penn, Harvard, Princeton and Yale).
If you play and defeat a SEC, ACC or Big East school, you are at least giving the committee, a game against a similar opponent that's playing a multiple bid league.
Schedule a better OOC game like we have done with Wake Forest, Miami, Seton Hall and move on. Maybe adding or playing Providence would impact NCAA selection committee choices, but playing Princeton does not.
You cannot possibly say one or two weeks ago, that RU should fly across the country to play Gonzaga OR try and schedule Duke, Kansas or UConn at MSG and say the goal is to upgrade the schedule and then 2 weeks later when Princeton wins their 1st NCAA game in almost 25 years and then say "playing Princeton helps upgrade your OOC schedule ".
Playing Princeton does not upgrade your OOC, playing other teams from other conferences that receive at large bids does. There is essentially no difference in terms of Q2/Q3 between playing Wake Forest, Seton Hall or St John's or potentially playing Georgia, Texas A&M or Vanderbilt.
Playing a better OOC schedule needs to happen, but it doesn't or should not involve Princeton. The Ivy League could argue they are a multiple bid NCAA league, but it's really 3 to 4 solid programs most of the last 20 years (Penn, Harvard, Princeton and Yale).
If you play and defeat a SEC, ACC or Big East school, you are at least giving the committee, a game against a similar opponent that's playing a multiple bid league.
Schedule a better OOC game like we have done with Wake Forest, Miami, Seton Hall and move on. Maybe adding or playing Providence would impact NCAA selection committee choices, but playing Princeton does not.
Plus …someone above said this best and I’ll add detail
I lived in Plainsboro for 20 years and Was in Princeton regularly.
Other than the old guard at Princeton around 30-40 years ago , and we just happened to be on their schedule in a few minor sports, we have NO relevance to them. NONE.
Ditto here …other than geography, it’s a meaningless situation to anyone under 50
The only reason to play them is geography and one less game we have to get on a plane to make it easier for our student athletes who are on an airplane a LOT
If they want to play us…its a home game and that’s it . Nothing in the current environment suggests we should bend to history to play them in their gym .
And I can think of several other teams to play home and hone that don’t require us getting on a plane before them
Villanova
Temple
St. John’s (or a neutral site game at MSG)
Seton hall (we play them)
UConn (or a neutral site game at MSG)
We are about to go to 22 conference games …leaving 9 out of league games …and I believe 4 of this are going to have to be played in December
Here is what a out of confrence schedule needs To look like
6 RAC cupcakes
1 neutral site game at MSG against a major opponent in December
Seton hall home and home
Power 6 game home and home
That’s 18 games at the RAC, 12 versus power 6 teams …12 power 6 road games and a neutral site game power 6 game
That’s 25 power 6 games out of 31….
There is NO room for Princeton in there …and That sdheduke is plenty tough (BRUTAL) on whether or not Princeton is up or down ….
I lived in Plainsboro for 20 years and Was in Princeton regularly.
Other than the old guard at Princeton around 30-40 years ago , and we just happened to be on their schedule in a few minor sports, we have NO relevance to them. NONE.
Ditto here …other than geography, it’s a meaningless situation to anyone under 50
The only reason to play them is geography and one less game we have to get on a plane to make it easier for our student athletes who are on an airplane a LOT
If they want to play us…its a home game and that’s it . Nothing in the current environment suggests we should bend to history to play them in their gym .
And I can think of several other teams to play home and hone that don’t require us getting on a plane before them
Villanova
Temple
St. John’s (or a neutral site game at MSG)
Seton hall (we play them)
UConn (or a neutral site game at MSG)
We are about to go to 22 conference games …leaving 9 out of league games …and I believe 4 of this are going to have to be played in December
Here is what a out of confrence schedule needs To look like
6 RAC cupcakes
1 neutral site game at MSG against a major opponent in December
Seton hall home and home
Power 6 game home and home
That’s 18 games at the RAC, 12 versus power 6 teams …12 power 6 road games and a neutral site game power 6 game
That’s 25 power 6 games out of 31….
There is NO room for Princeton in there …and That sdheduke is plenty tough (BRUTAL) on whether or not Princeton is up or down ….
Not playing a great D1 program and great academic institution that sits 20 miles away for fear of it being a “bad loss” is pathetically soft.
This doesn't improve the schedule because we wont get credit for winning a q3 game and high risk to lose
Not worth it
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It does improve the schedule when you sub in princeton for coppin state. Dont be foolish