Problem with public schools

[funKYcat75]

How about when little Tommy gets his head filled with nothing but SJW garbage and starts to idolize communism and thinks there's 87 genders and everything is "racist?" while having to worry about some psycho shooting up his school?

Then be a parent. It’s good for kids to see both sides of things so that they can make up their own minds when they’re older. There is very little of that going on in school, by the way. That’s in the media.

 

[backbeatcat_rivals376595]

Well my example was from Lexington. Your example is certainly sad but I guess like with anything, there’s good and there’s bad. But homeschool certainly doesn’t make people automatic weirdos anymore.

Public school is a sewer today. The indoctrination, the lazy teachers and worrying about the violence is certainly not something that appeals to me and my wife for our kids.

It is a sewer because crappy, uninvolved, irresponsible, narcissistic parents aren't actually raising (rearing) their children anymore. They are too busy hooking up on Tinder with one another and shopping for a new mini-van. Kids are being made to feel secure and confident regardless of how they behave and a LOT of kids aren't held accountable at all by their parents if they accomplish nothing with the school day. I think most parents that I know focus more on their kids extra-curricular activities than their school work. And these are relatively middle-class, educated people. Add poverty, welfare and generations of ignorance to the mix and it only gets worse.

We have had our kids in a variety of public schools and I had the opportunity to observe teaching in all of the Lexington middle and high schools. The success or failure of the school was easily predicted based on the expectations and involvement of the parents. Not necessarily involvement IN THE SCHOOL. Rather, parents that actually give a ____what their kids do, how they behave, and help them formulate goals and PARENT them.

 

[rmattox]

It is a sewer because crappy, uninvolved, irresponsible, narcissistic parents aren't actually raising (rearing) their children anymore. They are too busy hooking up on Tinder with one another and shopping for a new mini-van. Kids are being made to feel secure and confident regardless of how they behave and a LOT of kids aren't held accountable at all by their parents if they accomplish nothing with the school day. I think most parents that I know focus more on their kids extra-curricular activities than their school work. And these are relatively middle-class, educated people. Add poverty, welfare and generations of ignorance to the mix and it only gets worse.

We have had our kids in a variety of public schools and I had the opportunity to observe teaching in all of the Lexington middle and high schools. The success or failure of the school was easily predicted based on the expectations and involvement of the parents. Not necessarily involvement IN THE SCHOOL. Rather, parents that actually give a ____what their kids do, how they behave, and help them formulate goals and PARENT them.

You hit it on the head.

 

[MegaBlue05]

How about when little Tommy gets his head filled with nothing but SJW garbage and starts to idolize communism and thinks there's 87 genders and everything is "racist?" while having to worry about some psycho shooting up his school?

JFC man.

I guess send your kid to right-winger school or homeschool him and listen to Limbaugh, Hannity and Alex Jones and other crazy kooks together.

I don't know. But GD man, Right Wing Nut Job is just as bad as Social Justice Warrior. It's different sides of the same ****** coin.

 

[UKRob 73]

To be fair, there were house and senate members who agreed with folks who say that there was not a proper analysis done of the final bill. I think neither you nor I know the exact timeline of when the refill reading and analysis of 151 was done but the language in the report you linked seems fair. Right or wrong, on whichever side you fall, this bill is far from being final.

An actuarial analysis is a legal requirement before a bill is passed. It's done by the non partisan Legislative Research Committee. To say one didn't take place is just incorrect, but it's been repeated countless times. That's what I was responding to.
It just goes to show that this bill is more about playing politics than the actual pension issue.

 

[JDHoss]

Wouldn't your friend be better off putting them in a private school? Better environment, better education, safer and probably better socially.

The government can't do a damn thing right yet people want public schools raising their kids.

He doesn't have that option. There isn't a private school even remotely close to his home, and about the only one I'd consider worth a **** is about 70 miles away, only goes preschool through 8th, and he would have to pay $8K per year per kid for 3 kids. There are a handful of "Christian" schools (about 35-40 miles away for him), but those have a sizable chunk of students who are there because they have been discipline problems in public schools, have other issues or simply have parents who want to think they are sheltering their kids from the real world. To me, the bottom line is that if you think you can raise your kids inside a little bubble with you, then you're well on your way to ****ing them up royally on down the road. My mom and dad both worked and I loved them dearly, but hypothetically, let's say my mom wanted to home school me....I would have probably left home as soon as I thought I could make it on my own and never looked back.

 

[joeyrupption]

Maybe I’m just a priveledged white guy genius or whatever, but I feel like the quality of public school education is negligible compared to the kid’s innate intelligence and parents nurturing of it. The real worth of schooling is the social aspect and street smarts to be picked up, not the academics. I don’t think I ever actually did homework in high school.

At the end of the day, my kids needs to pick up enough scores to make it into a state school, graduate, and have a nice life. And after sizing up their weirdo homeschool/broken home competition, they should be able to do that in their sleep. They’re toddlers, btw.

That being said, I live in and pay taxes for the best public school district in the state.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

Not gonna read this entire thread, or any of it really, but the main problem with public schools is that they have to accept all the students who can't afford to go to private schools. That opens them up to a lot of ****.

 

[FatCatwithBlueHat]

Timmy isn't a good example. While home schooled, he also lived abroad, and was a stud athlete who participated in sports year round.

A much better example would be the oldest daughter of a friend who has home schooled all 5 of their kids. He and his wife are both college grads, but they have pretty much sheltered the kids other than letting them socialize from time to time with other home schooled kids. This past fall, his oldest went to college at Liberty, and came home after the first semester when she was struggling badly in her main courses and struggling to adapt socially. His oldest son says he's not going to college and he has some personality disorders. After the problems with the two oldest, he told me that he intends to enroll the three youngest in public schools this August. The academics of home schooling are one thing, but if you keep your kids inside your own social bubble, you're doing them a great disservice.

Agreed, but there is a big difference between homeschooling your kids, and keeping them inside your own social bubble. I disagree that most home schooled kids are socially awkward. Most, not all, parents that home school are intelligent and allow their kids to socialize in settings outside of school, i.e. sports, dance, scouts etc. The ones I know have all been normal and better prepared for life after school. Plus, they were sheltered from the bad parts of school (bullying, drugs etc.) I don't think sheltering your kids is a good idea, but I do think you should keep them away from bad situations the best you can.

Full disclosure, both of my kids went to Catholic schools in Louisville.

 

[FatCatwithBlueHat]

Bingo.

And, although I was a public school 80s kid, my mom tried to shelter me from everything - music, movies, TV, video games, etc.

She meant well, but all the things she told me were evil, became my favorite things.

Sheltering children, which is what homeschool is, often achieves the opposite of what it's intended to do. Big deal if little Tommy hears a cuss word or Slayer song. It won't kill him. But, keeping little Tommy from the actual world by putting him in a bubble will do more harm than good, IMO.

Finally, public school was where I learned to socialize with people who looked different than me. I learned empathy. I learned to try to walk a mile in someone else's shoes before passing judgment. I learned just talking to someone who is lonely can brighten a day. I also learned how to roll blunts, take whiskey shots, smoke cigarettes and chase girls. So, take the good with the not-so-good. Lol.

While sheltering may be why some people do it, I don't think it is why most people do it. I think most do it because the kids get more academic attention. Public school teachers have to spend so much time dealing with the problem kids that it detracts from the ones that really want to learn.

 

[mrhotdice]

Schools never initiate changes in the culture. It's changes in culture that impact what goes on in schools. The biggest difference in schools now than 40 years ago when I began my career is the state of the homes kids come from. It's very rare now to have a kid that comes from stable families. Many kids come from situations with absent dads...look up the research on that one guys. Many come from homes with drug and alcohol problems. Many come from impoverished homes. Many come from homes where no one is there to demand compliance with rules; no one to hold kids accountable for doing chores, homework or even being home.

Schools simply deal with what society sends them. The quality of what schools receive now is sorely less than it was forty years ago. I'll go further and say my generation was not the quality of the previous generation when we started our school years.....It's not getting any better and won't until moms and dads decide to be committed to their families.

But being poor won’t affect their cellphones bill or having a Facebook or tweater account

 

[Henogee1975]

But being poor won’t affect their cellphones bill or having a Facebook or tweater account

Yep
Can’t afford school supplies or have time to study, but getting and iPhone and posting your status and location at Starbucks, no problem.

 

[Supercat67]

The average home schooler is also a weird, unadjusted introvert who is ill equipped to handle the real world.

Maybe..........But there are some benefits for sure......
Just 1 example, Knew this family once that home schooled their kids, 3 boys and one girl. I'll be damned,
The girl was so popular that she was home school prom queen for 4 years in a row !

My step sister who is pure SMOKE and attended public school never won that even once.
So yes I can see where there would be extra benefits for home schooling.

 

[JimmyWa11]

The average home schooler is also a weird, unadjusted introvert who is ill equipped to handle the real world.

Says the dude with 3,000 posts on an internet message board.

 

[JohnKBA]

Says the dude with 3,000 posts on an internet message board.

In 15 years.

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

My step sister who is pure SMOKE

 

[ThwKentuckyKid]

They ought to be teaching kids in public schools how to make a shiv and store it in their prison purse.

 

[anon_q409idbs5m40a]

Why are there no naughty lunch lady threads?

@kybobcat

That would make for some interesting conversation. What goes on in the kitchen stays in the kitchen.

 

[anon_q409idbs5m40a]

True, those and the only child kids. Only child kids are spoiled, coddled beyond comprehension. We would take bets on 1st kid who wanted mommy to come pick them up at a campout. Never failed

100% accurate; my stepdaughter was home schooled by her idiot father and she is the most selfish, entitled, materialistic, disrespectful, arrogant, inconsiderate and spoiled child to ever walk the face of the earth. 20 years old and her father still does her laundry, folds it and puts it in front of her door. When she comes to my house to visit her Mom those rules no longer apply. Funny how she hasn't been back but once in the last six months.

 

[oldsports_]

100% accurate; my stepdaughter was home schooled by her idiot father and she is the most selfish, entitled, materialistic, disrespectful, arrogant, inconsiderate and spoiled child to ever walk the face of the earth. 20 years old and her father still does her laundry, folds it and puts it in front of her door. When she comes to my house to visit her Mom those rules no longer apply. Funny how she hasn't been back but once in the last six months.

Lol, I hear ya. Spoiled brats, all of them

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Just throwing this up, non-profit Community Ventures refurbished the old Millersburg Military Institute to now house a Christian academy.