Purdue Dual Thread

[WahlbergTheGreat]

He pleads to wrestle every match, and then proceeds to not wrestle hard when he's on the match. I don't think there is some secret conspiracy going on, we have seen the reason why VV continues to get opportunities.

And that reason is that he beats the (relative) cupcakes? Let’s throw Williams out there and see if he beats the cupcakes too. Then let’s throw VV out there and see if he does any better against the top 20 or so dudes if we’re actually not sure who’s going. Either way, it does seem off.

 

[WahlbergTheGreat]

From my foxhole it appears as though both LR transfers, the VV brothers, and about 12 other starters and backups just don’t consistently have any fire in their guts. Plenty of blame to go around…

Blame for that is the coaches if it’s that widespread.

 

[WahlbergTheGreat]

I believe mff out in semis would drop you to 6th if you don't continue. That would be a terrible seed coming out of conference tournament.

But they’re all forfeits in that case. Do they actually hold that against him in the event he “couldn’t go”?

 

[Sir Pin Alot]

But they’re all forfeits in that case. Do they actually hold that against him in the event he “couldn’t go”?

Starocci took a huge hit but that was for the entire tournament... Not the semis.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

And Caliendo should not have wrestled Friday night knowing this match was so important. But Brands….

WTF why would he not wrestle? You think he can’t handle 2 matches in 3 days?

 

[TheREALSpooner]

That many takedowns by PK, now you are just clowning us.

What are you talking about?

 

[Anon1750875978]

I have never seen Caliendo take a night off. I don't even know who is back up is for the last 3 years.

Probably a guy that is 5'4" and undersized.

Kind of an Iowa thing.

 

[AndreTheHawk]

Almost makes me miss Bailey . . .

Not a chance in hell that's ever happening for me.

 

[Anon1750875978]

WTF why would he not wrestle? You think he can’t handle 2 matches in 3 days?

Ben K apparently can't!

 

[Twoooooo]

It was senior night and a tight dual. If he was worried about workload then he should have sat out this one.

Workload…WTF is he going to do at B1Gs and nationals when he has multiple matches in a day or in back to back days? This regime can not end soon enough. Been a fan for just over 40 years, my handle was taken after the iconic noise made after a td inside Carver. Total time I’ve watched this year equals about 2 matches. I’ve lost the love and desperately want it back.

 

[Anon1750896976]

And Caliendo should not have wrestled Friday night knowing this match was so important. But Brands….

Dont promote ducking! So lame! If your healthy….wrestle. This ducking is getting ridiculous. For a hawk fan to mention is another example of missing gable days! I had 170 matches in college. Never thought of not wrestling.

 

[AndreTheHawk]

the way Williams has been handled this year feels off. He only wrestles ranked opponents and rarely goes back to back in duals. That’s not exactly how you build rhythm or confidence. It feels like he’s constantly being thrown into the fire without ever getting a stretch to settle in.

I don’t know if this is true or not, but I’ve heard Williams pleads to wrestle every match and is told no. Williams is obviously better than V3. I also saw an interview with V3 saying he’s trying to take the spot at 157. I think there’s more happening in that room than we know.

I'd rather Williams actually commit to wrestling when he's out there. And then ya know, actually wrestle for 7 minutes. He doesn't do either consistently.

That's the reason you see Voinivich out there, IMO.

 

[maxpain]

I'd rather Williams actually commit to wrestling when he's out there. And then ya know, actually wrestle for 7 minutes. He doesn't do either consistently.

That's the reason you see Voinivich out there, IMO.

Voinovich wrestled two ranked matches this year and got majored 14-2 and 16-5. Gave up plenty of points in the 3rd in both matches… I can’t quite figure out why those matches are viewed differently than JWs.

 

[sstark46]

But they’re all forfeits in that case. Do they actually hold that against him in the event he “couldn’t go”?

Yes, they changed the rules a few years ago so the first MFF at a tourney counts as a loss on your record. Plus if he MFFs the semis, he wouldn't be able to wrestle the backside and would get 6th, so that would hurt him in the matrix against Mikey.

Realistically Mikey has to beat Lockett next weekend (if he goes) and then at least make the B1G finals to keep his shot at a 2 or 3 sees at nationals

 

[redghost1974]

What are you talking about?

I was insinuating pbp was jerking our chains that PK had multiple takedowns.

 

[hawknut]

Dont promote ducking! So lame! If your healthy….wrestle. This ducking is getting ridiculous. For a hawk fan to mention is another example of missing gable days! I had 170 matches in college. Never thought of not wrestling.

If the Blaze match is that important—Blaze hasn’t competed in a week. Caliendo just competed 40 hours before. Just a thought to be optimal. I don’t have a big problem with it. But he didn’t really have an option since Brands needed him to win.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

I was insinuating pbp was jerking our chains that PK had multiple takedowns.

I know. It makes no sense.

 

[Hawkapottomos Rex]

I was insinuating pbp was jerking our chains that PK had multiple takedowns.

We know what you're insinuating and Spooner was making fun of you because it was so stupid

 

[AndreTheHawk]

Voinovich wrestled two ranked matches this year and got majored 14-2 and 16-5. Gave up plenty of points in the 3rd in both matches… I can’t quite figure out why those matches are viewed differently than JWs.

You can't? Gee, I wonder if it might be that Williams does less with more..........nah, can't be that.

Neither is sniffing a podium, so it doesn't matter who you throw out there.

 

[js8793]

Even if Tom changed and suddenly because a good recruiter, a good match planner, a good developer, a good scouter, learned how to teach takedowns to everybody, and learned how to keep guys healthy and peak at right time (which we all know isn’t going to happen), he can’t turn it around next year and we are going to be worse—way worse. So, unless AD wants more wrestling program deterioration, the time to strike is right after nationals.

This is a point that hasn't come up much yet. There is just as much danger in waiting too long than moving too soon.

 

[dtripp26]

Even if Tom changed and suddenly because a good recruiter, a good match planner, a good developer, a good scouter, learned how to teach takedowns to everybody, and learned how to keep guys healthy and peak at right time (which we all know isn’t going to happen), he can’t turn it around next year and we are going to be worse—way worse. So, unless AD wants more wrestling program deterioration, the time to strike is right after nationals.

2 years ago

 

[maxpain]

You can't? Gee, I wonder if it might be that Williams does less with more..........nah, can't be that.

Neither is sniffing a podium, so it doesn't matter who you throw out there.

Voinovich was just as highly ranked of a recruit than Williams, but yet another guy who is mysteriously considered to be the little engine that could.

 

[AndreTheHawk]

Voinovich was just as highly ranked of a recruit than Williams, but yet another guy who is mysteriously considered to be the little engine that could.

Oh? By whom would that be? If that were true he would have "mysteriously" been the full time starter when the season started, but he wasn't.

Guys like Voinivich and Kale Petersen are wrestling for one reason. Because the starters ahead of them aren't living up to their billing and/or are being sent a message to get their act together or sit. That seems abundantly clear............

 

[HugoHugo]

Oh? By whom would that be? If that were true he would have "mysteriously" been the full time starter when the season started, but he wasn't.

Guys like Voinivich and Kale Petersen are wrestling for one reason. Because the starters ahead of them aren't living up to their billing and/or are being sent a message to get their act together or sit. That seems abundantly clear............

Seems very late in the year to be "sending a message". Couldn't they have just discussed it as the season went along?

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Oh? By whom would that be? If that were true he would have "mysteriously" been the full time starter when the season started, but he wasn't.

Guys like Voinivich and Kale Petersen are wrestling for one reason. Because the starters ahead of them aren't living up to their billing and/or are being sent a message to get their act together or sit. That seems abundantly clear............

I thought Bailey hurt his hand

 

[maxpain]

Oh? By whom would that be? If that were true he would have "mysteriously" been the full time starter when the season started, but he wasn't.

Guys like Voinivich and Kale Petersen are wrestling for one reason. Because the starters ahead of them aren't living up to their billing and/or are being sent a message to get their act together or sit. That seems abundantly clear............

I guess we just don’t see it the same way. VV has plenty of skill but doesn’t pull the trigger offensively. And I’m not trying to be critical of the kid, I think he’s a great teammate.

My point is it’s easy to wrestle 7 minutes against a tOSU backup, Purdue and MSU. Even against those guys who will not even be qualifiers VV didn’t put up much points. JW would have looked a lot different against those 3 than he did against Duke/Taylor/Millard.

I think people are knocking him for the Zerban match still where he stopped wrestling early. It was a bad look but his losses recently aren’t for lack of effort IMO.