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Putin got the message: A/P says that Russia claims their support for Assad is not unconditional

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Keyser76 said:
So what Tillerson said yesterday is false? What a way to run the State department.
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Tillerson made those comments before this chemical attack. Susan Rice spoke yesterday at the U.N. Her comments reflect the President's current thinking. It's a shame that 500,000 people have died due to Obama's fecklessness. Leading from behind.
 
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Last I checked Syria was still an ally of Russia and the Russian military is the dominant power in Syria. Military strikes are an option but not a cut and dried one as to what the response from Putin would be. Just don't do anything just to say you are doing something which I fear is Trumps modus operandi.
 
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Keyser76 said:
Last I checked Syria was still an ally of Russia and the Russian military is the dominant power in Syria. Military strikes are an option but not a cut and dried one as to what the response from Putin would be. Just don't do anything just to say you are doing something which I fear is Trumps modus operandi.
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Mattis is a genius. It is only my guess, but Trump will order all Russian aircraft out of Syria before he bombs the airports/airbases. They will comply, is my guess. Putin already signaled that Assad went way over the line with his statement today. Action will be taken. I would hope we go after Assad's palaces and offices as well.

I remember when Reagan went after Gadaffi personally by sending a cruise missile down his chimney. Gadaffi got the message. We need to send Assad a very personal message.
 
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WVUCOOPER said:
Is killing triple digits in a chemical attack the cutoff line for Putin?
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No, I don't think Putin's gives a crap about that attack. What he cares about is saving his planes on the ground in Syria. He now knows the U.S. is going to attack militarily. He is smart enough to get out of the way, imo.
 
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WVPATX said:
Susan Rice spoke yesterday at the U.N.
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Come on PATX. Surely you cannot confuse Pinnochio with a true beauty that actually has Indian blood in her, right?

 
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WVPATX said:
Mattis is a genius. It is only my guess, but Trump will order all Russian aircraft out of Syria before he bombs the airports/airbases. They will comply, is my guess. Putin already signaled that Assad went way over the line with his statement today. Action will be taken. I would hope we go after Assad's palaces and offices as well.

I remember when Reagan went after Gadaffi personally by sending a cruise missile down his chimney. Gadaffi got the message. We need to send Assad a very personal message.
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Well why didn't he just do that in the first place? lol. Yeah, Russia will just up and leave if Trump tells them to. And I'm pretty sure bombing palaces and offices would be met with condemnation from the rest of the world, civillians should be targeted?
 
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Keyser76 said:
Well why didn't he just do that in the first place? lol. Yeah, Russia will just up and leave if Trump tells them to. And I'm pretty sure bombing palaces and offices would be met with condemnation from the rest of the world, civillians should be targeted?
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Why did Obama do nothing in Syria? Why the red line? Why did 500,000 people die under Obama's watch?

And you blame Trump for inaction? LMAO. Obama OWNS Syria.
 
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WVPATX said:
No, I don't think Putin's gives a crap about that attack. What he cares about is saving his planes on the ground in Syria. He now knows the U.S. is going to attack militarily. He is smart enough to get out of the way, imo.
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You honestly think Trump is going to risk World War III over the Syrian civil war? If so, he's even more braindead than I thought. Putin isn't going to give up what he sees as Russia's position of supremacy in the region by pulling out, especially not on Trump's say so. So what, we attack anyway?

Aside from that bit of reality, the stupid is strong with anyone who thinks it's a good idea to blow up Assad and create another failed state in the region like we've done in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. Obama stayed out of Syria because there was nobody we could have worked with if Assad was overthrown -- and Trump repeatedly stated that we had no business intervening. Now he's left with a list of bad choices.
 
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Now, place this situation under Obama's direction. Putin would've laughed at Obama, and not made the statements they've made today.
 
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Popeer said:
You honestly think Trump is going to risk World War III over the Syrian civil war? If so, he's even more braindead than I thought. Putin isn't going to give up what he sees as Russia's position of supremacy in the region by pulling out, especially not on Trump's say so. So what, we attack anyway?

Aside from that bit of reality, the stupid is strong with anyone who thinks it's a good idea to blow up Assad and create another failed state in the region like we've done in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. Obama stayed out of Syria because there was nobody we could have worked with if Assad was overthrown -- and Trump repeatedly stated that we had no business intervening. Now he's left with a list of bad choices.
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Even former Obama advisors have written that he screwed up big time with the red line. And Trump is not starting WWII. He will let the Russians know they need to get their planes off those runways. Russia already stated today that Assad does not have unlimited Russian support. Essentially knowing that the U.S. is going to act.

Even Obama knew Assad must go. You can't let a tyrant gas his own people. 500,000 dead, is that no enough for you?
 
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WVPATX said:
Even Obama knew Assad must go. You can't let a tyrant gas his own people. 500,000 dead, is that no enough for you?
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You know why we didn't take Saddam out in 1991 when we had the force there to do it and the world on our side? Because nobody knew who would come after -- if you're going to take out a brutal dictator, you have to know something about who's going to replace him, or be prepared to occupy the country for a generation. We'll see what happens now that Trump has attacked.
 
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Popeer said:
You honestly think Trump is going to risk World War III over the Syrian civil war? If so, he's even more braindead than I thought. Putin isn't going to give up what he sees as Russia's position of supremacy in the region by pulling out, especially not on Trump's say so. So what, we attack anyway?
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Popeer said:
You know why we didn't take Saddam out in 1991 when we had the force there to do it and the world on our side? Because nobody knew who would come after -- if you're going to take out a brutal dictator, you have to know something about who's going to replace him, or be prepared to occupy the country for a generation. We'll see what happens now that Trump has attacked.
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We can't stand by while chemical weapons are used on innocent civilians. We had to send a message. We will see if Assad gets the message.
 
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That he did this with the Chinese president in town is surprising...

Trump sent a message tonight...

There's a new sheriff in town...


Wonder if he let the Chinese President watch the attack ?
 
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Popeer said:
You honestly think Trump is going to risk World War III over the Syrian civil war? If so, he's even more braindead than I thought. Putin isn't going to give up what he sees as Russia's position of supremacy in the region by pulling out, especially not on Trump's say so. So what, we attack anyway?

Aside from that bit of reality, the stupid is strong with anyone who thinks it's a good idea to blow up Assad and create another failed state in the region like we've done in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. Obama stayed out of Syria because there was nobody we could have worked with if Assad was overthrown -- and Trump repeatedly stated that we had no business intervening. Now he's left with a list of bad choices.
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I guess we'll get to see how a different type of leadership deals with this scenario now.
 
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Keyser76 said:
Last I checked Syria was still an ally of Russia and the Russian military is the dominant power in Syria. Military strikes are an option but not a cut and dried one as to what the response from Putin would be. Just don't do anything just to say you are doing something which I fear is Trumps modus operandi.
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Think so huh? Are you unaware of the American presence and operations is eastern Syria?
 
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WVPATX said:
No, I don't think Putin's gives a crap about that attack. What he cares about is saving his planes on the ground in Syria. He now knows the U.S. is going to attack militarily. He is smart enough to get out of the way, imo.
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I think you've totally misread the situation. I think no fly zones may come of this and even that is a stretch. Assad has handed the West the moral high ground. Even China implicitly approved of the strike. Putin's mitigated support for Assad is a result of his disdain for Assad. But I don't think the Russians are going to poke at the US and risk a US response. Neither do I think they'll depart the region soon. It will require sustained economic detriment to see Russia leave, IMO.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
I guess we'll get to see how a different type of leadership deals with this scenario now.
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A different kind of leadership? Obama went to Congress for approval of a strike in 2013 and was turned down by the GOP. Tell me again what's different?
 
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Popeer said:
A different kind of leadership? Obama went to Congress for approval of a strike in 2013 and was turned down by the GOP. Tell me again what's different?
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Was he turned down by the GOP or was he turned down by the Congress? If I remember right....the Dem controlled Senate did not have the votes to approve his request.
 
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WVPATX

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Popeer said:
A different kind of leadership? Obama went to Congress for approval of a strike in 2013 and was turned down by the GOP. Tell me again what's different?
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Nice try, but you have your facts wrong. I don't seem to remember Trump request and congressional approval anyway.
 
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bornaneer said:
Was he turned down by the GOP or was he turned down by the Congress? If I remember right....the Dem controlled Senate did not have the votes to approve his request.
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Let's see ... House controlled by Republicans, the Senate would not have been involved, so ... it's the same thing. House GOP told him not to bother because he wouldn't get the votes. And we don't have to imagine what would have happened if he had ordered a strike without their approval, their heads would have exploded in outrage. But as it was they got to have their cake and eat it too of blocking him, and then ridiculing him for inaction. The same patriotic Americans who told Obama he could piss up a rope before they'd agree to anything are now praising Trump for going ahead without them.
 
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Popeer said:
Let's see ... House controlled by Republicans, the Senate would not have been involved, so ... it's the same thing. House GOP told him not to bother because he wouldn't get the votes. And we don't have to imagine what would have happened if he had ordered a strike without their approval, their heads would have exploded in outrage. But as it was they got to have their cake and eat it too of blocking him, and then ridiculing him for inaction. The same patriotic Americans who told Obama he could piss up a rope before they'd agree to anything are now praising Trump for going ahead without them.
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Did President Obama get Congressional approval for Operation Odyssey Dawn in 2011 or his Syrian bombings in 2014?
 
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