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can anyone answer this question is Decker so far behind Conrad at center that they couldn't move Conrad to tackle and decker to center so you have some experience at tackle instead of using a true freshman
 

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can anyone answer this question is Decker so far behind Conrad at center that they couldn't move Conrad to tackle and decker to center so you have some experience at tackle instead of using a true freshman

He's not. Cav gave a coach speak answer when asked this question. Something like we don't want to move Conrad because he's earned the right to be our center and we don't want two guys in new spots.
 
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He's not. Cav gave a coach speak answer when asked this question. Something like we don't want to move Conrad because he's earned the right to be our center and we don't want two guys in new spots.
What's the deal with Decker then? Attitude and work ethic? The dude is plenty big enough. I just don't get how undeveloped the talent on our line is among the scholarship players. Last year we heard how they almost burned Boe Wilson's redshirt because they were high on his talent and we had injuries. This year? He is on the depth chart but plays rarely, if ever. Tanner Farmer was very highly recruited and we were all happy when we got him. And yet he is a 50/50 player: good play, bad play, good play, bad play....

Cav has to go
 

Baxter48_rivals204143

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He's not. Cav gave a coach speak answer when asked this question. Something like we don't want to move Conrad because he's earned the right to be our center and we don't want two guys in new spots.
Thanks for the quote but that sounds like something either a politician or drunk would say, I'm guessing they must not practice during the week. I'm with most people cav needs to go the single wing and quick kicks are long gone time has passed him by
 

t7w0c1_rivals

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I thought so too. So why the hell not play him?
I feel like Cav wants to prove a point that you don't play backups and that starters need to gel. We got on him pretty hard for good reason and he is just a stubborn ***. Decker looked good so he took him so he wouldn't have to hear it. Honestly, if MR couldnt figure out how bad some of his assistants were through his career, how will that change now? I don't think there is a chance it will. I wish I could find the quote on Riley from a few months back but I can't. Not word for word here but went something like this, " I fell in love with the screen game because it saved our qb/offense whom got beat up badly the year prior". Think about that, how could he not figure out Cav sucked then? Why would he old on to Banker for so long? Banker didn't cone here and just start sucking.
 

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I feel like Cav wants to prove a point that you don't play backups and that starters need to gel. We got on him pretty hard for good reason and he is just a stubborn ***. Decker looked good so he took him so he wouldn't have to hear it.

So your theory is that a football coach cares more about proving a point and not having to hear it from the fans than he does about getting good o-line play and winning football games?

Honestly?
 

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I feel like Cav wants to prove a point that you don't play backups and that starters need to gel. We got on him pretty hard for good reason and he is just a stubborn ***. Decker looked good so he took him so he wouldn't have to hear it. Honestly, if MR couldnt figure out how bad some of his assistants were through his career, how will that change now? I don't think there is a chance it will. I wish I could find the quote on Riley from a few months back but I can't. Not word for word here but went something like this, " I fell in love with the screen game because it saved our qb/offense whom got beat up badly the year prior". Think about that, how could he not figure out Cav sucked then? Why would he old on to Banker for so long? Banker didn't cone here and just start sucking.

While I don't disagree with much of your post, I do disagree with the aspect that Cav will hold players back and only play starters to prove his point.

Instead of this, I think he just isn't very good at developing players....or his job in general for that matter.

And, so yes, ultimately that does fall on Riley.
 

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Cav said yesterday I believe that one of the biggest problems with the line on Saturday was poor communication. Communication starts with the center. Maybe Decker wasn't handling that part of the job very well? I have no idea, but it might partially explain Cav's position on that.
 

little a

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I feel like Cav wants to prove a point that you don't play backups and that starters need to gel. We got on him pretty hard for good reason and he is just a stubborn ***. Decker looked good so he took him so he wouldn't have to hear it. Honestly, if MR couldnt figure out how bad some of his assistants were through his career, how will that change now? I don't think there is a chance it will. I wish I could find the quote on Riley from a few months back but I can't. Not word for word here but went something like this, " I fell in love with the screen game because it saved our qb/offense whom got beat up badly the year prior". Think about that, how could he not figure out Cav sucked then? Why would he old on to Banker for so long? Banker didn't cone here and just start sucking.

I was saying the same thing about Banker and especially Read from the get go and was blasted--
 
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Cav said yesterday I believe that one of the biggest problems with the line on Saturday was poor communication. Communication starts with the center. Maybe Decker wasn't handling that part of the job very well? I have no idea, but it might partially explain Cav's position on that.
Well, from the sounds of it, Conrad must not have been communicating well either. Looks like there was a lot of confusion going on.
 

NordakotaHusker

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Well, from the sounds of it, Conrad must not have been communicating well either. Looks like there was a lot of confusion going on.

That could very well be. I couldn't remember when Decker came in the game, but they obviously had some issues all day.
 

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I feel like Cav wants to prove a point that you don't play backups and that starters need to gel. We got on him pretty hard for good reason and he is just a stubborn ***. Decker looked good so he took him so he wouldn't have to hear it. Honestly, if MR couldnt figure out how bad some of his assistants were through his career, how will that change now? I don't think there is a chance it will. I wish I could find the quote on Riley from a few months back but I can't. Not word for word here but went something like this, " I fell in love with the screen game because it saved our qb/offense whom got beat up badly the year prior". Think about that, how could he not figure out Cav sucked then? Why would he old on to Banker for so long? Banker didn't cone here and just start sucking.
The fact that Riley made changes at other position coaches says he can figure out who the bad assistants are... see Bruce Read, Mark Banker, and Hank Hughes to name a few...

If he is still our coach going into next season, it's not a stretch to think that he will make a change at the OLine coach.
 

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The fact that Riley made changes at other position coaches says he can figure out who the bad assistants are... see Bruce Read, Mark Banker, and Hank Hughes to name a few...

If he is still our coach going into next season, it's not a stretch to think that he will make a change at the OLine coach.
Although I give credit to Riley for making the tough call on Banker and Read to a much lesser extent, Cavanaugh is not going anywhere in fact I think Langsdorf donated a kidney to his wife. I believe the staff changes are done Riley will go with what he has
 

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Although I give credit to Riley for making the tough call on Banker and Read to a much lesser extent, Cavanaugh is not going anywhere in fact I think Langsdorf donated a kidney to his wife. I believe the staff changes are done Riley will go with what he has
You may be right... if he does, it will be to his own demise.

On another note, what kind of man is Cav? Is he the kind that would save us all the trouble and just retire?

I suppose that is probably wishful thinking on my part...
 

t7w0c1_rivals

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While I don't disagree with much of your post, I do disagree with the aspect that Cav will hold players back and only play starters to prove his point.

Instead of this, I think he just isn't very good at developing players....or his job in general for that matter.

And, so yes, ultimately that does fall on Riley.
I think you are probably right, I'm just seriously PO'd at him.
 

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Three games in and Cav says "We gotta find our 5 best guys." Isn't that generally reserved for Spring and Fall Camp? And if a true freshman is displacing a redshirt junior, shame on you, Cav, for not developing your players better. You're in your 3rd year. No more fu**ing excuses. Stop sucking or be gone.
 

t7w0c1_rivals

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The fact that Riley made changes at other position coaches says he can figure out who the bad assistants are... see Bruce Read, Mark Banker, and Hank Hughes to name a few...

If he is still our coach going into next season, it's not a stretch to think that he will make a change at the OLine coach.
Do you really think that was MR?
 

t7w0c1_rivals

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So your theory is that a football coach cares more about proving a point and not having to hear it from the fans than he does about getting good o-line play and winning football games?

Honestly?
I honestly think people can get caught up in their pride and not actually realize what they are doing but you are probably right.
 
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Cavanaugh is not going anywhere in fact I think Langsdorf donated a kidney to his wife. I believe the staff changes are done Riley will go with what he has

Maybe we will get lucky and see changes on the other side of the ball this off-season (if Riley is kept) and both Cav and Langs will be gone. Then Riley will say he "has always wanted to run a spread attack" or "has always wanted to score more points than the other team" on offense to explain his reasoning for the firings.
 
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can anyone answer this question is Decker so far behind Conrad at center that they couldn't move Conrad to tackle and decker to center so you have some experience at tackle instead of using a true freshman

Guessing:

Riley's offense is a pro-style offense, like truly what is ran in the NFL.

Therefore it takes years for the OL to fully understand their blocking duties and sophomores are not capable of figuring it out.

Maybe the playbook was too big and unless you have been in the system for 4 years, you can't really learn all 400 of the plays. :D

Maybe that's why a recent article mentioned a reduced playbook...
 

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Although I give credit to Riley for making the tough call on Banker and Read to a much lesser extent, Cavanaugh is not going anywhere in fact I think Langsdorf donated a kidney to his wife. I believe the staff changes are done Riley will go with what he has

Langs needs to go too. Riley's only chance to survive and turn this thing around is to remake the offense after this season like he has Special teams and Defense the past two seasons. Pay out big money to get in a top-flight OC and step back and let him turn around our offense. Not sure he deserves this chance, to be honest, but that is where we stand now.
 

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The fact that Riley made changes at other position coaches says he can figure out who the bad assistants are... see Bruce Read, Mark Banker, and Hank Hughes to name a few...

If he is still our coach going into next season, it's not a stretch to think that he will make a change at the OLine coach.

Not a stretch. But, considering every year we have to talk about how we are so poorly coached at some positions makes me question why anybody would have faith in Riley eventually getting it right. He has made some nice hires, if he's here long enough I think Diaco will work out. But, the offense is his baby and Langsdorf/Cav is all he knows. This was the year where it ALL came together for the offense because Riley/Langsdorf had their man under center! Now Riley is off telling the media "I don't know what to think."
 
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timnsun

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Do you really think that was MR?
Doesn't matter what I think. Riley either actively sought changes or allowed for changes to happen. I wasn't there so I can't answer your question, other than to say changes were made to our coaching staff and Riley was on board. That qualifies as recognizing the bad coaching and needing to make changes.

Now if you want to complain that he should have known how bad the coaching was before he brought these guys on, that's valid.
 

timnsun

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Not a stretch. But, considering every year we have to talk about how we are so poorly coached at some positions makes me question why anybody would have faith in Riley eventually getting it right. He has made some nice hires, if he's here long enough I think Diaco will work out. But, the offense is his baby and Langsdorf/Cav is all he knows. This was the year where it ALL came together for the offense because Riley/Langsdorf had their man under center! Now Riley is off telling the media "I don't know what to think."
Good points here... whether Riley stays after this season or not is up in the air. Unless things change quickly, I don't think Cav's status should be. I know I'm not alone here, just sayin'...
 
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Enrozes

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I honestly think people can get caught up in their pride and not actually realize what they are doing but you are probably right.

I think the more likely explanation is that he's trying his best but just isn't very good at his job.
 

little a

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Good points here... whether Riley stays after this season or not is up in the air. Unless things change quickly, I don't think Cav's status should be. I know I'm not alone here, just sayin'...

Riley has stated on record this is his "last adventure"- that's why in my opinion he brought the Beavers staff (not all I know) with him
 

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Riley has stated on record this is his "last adventure"- that's why in my opinion he brought the Beavers staff (not all I know) with him
Agree that if he doesn't succeed the only place he's going is retirement in Oregon. I just think he would cut Cav if he's still the coach and the OLine continues to struggle.

Even though it's his last hurrah, that didn't save Read and Banker...