Q: Most Pressing Q for the 2017 season?

Anon1754760634

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Post yours here I will also add in a Top 5 Most Pressing Q's heading into the 2017 season.

Could be team related.....IHSA related etc.
 

pjjp

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Aug 26, 2001
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Numbers.

I would expect the trend of fewer and fewer kids playing HS football to continue. How big of an impact will it begin to have on varsity squads? Will soph football continue to dwindle and be replaced by a JV level at many schools? Will the freshmen numbers continue to decline? Will more schools drop football due to low numbers?
 
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MS4EVER

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Given the chance will MS put 70 on NT? What will the "Hitters" have on their uniforms?Will "the Brook" be next? How will the new MC and JCA coaches do? Will BR get over their playoff woes?
 
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Voodoo Tatum 21

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With the creation of the DuKane....What happens to the DVC for fall of 2018 implementation? Whatever happens one would think it would have to be solidified during the next year/season!!

* does another school join to make 6?
* do 3 more schools join to make 8?
* do the valleys and Naperville's go it alone and work a deal for 2 non con games with the Blue? And play out of state for the other 2?
* do the valleys and Naperville's end up in some reconfigured Upstate 8 or southwest suburban conferences?
* something unforseen happens?
 

Voodoo Tatum 21

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What's going to happen to the Southwest Suburban? Does anyone (here) even care?

Maybe we could combine both DVC and southwest suburban into "conference disaster" as one of the top 5 questions heading into the 2017 season.

Hell they might even be related in a potential solution. 13 in SWS and 5 left in the DVC = 18 schools in limbo. Plus Prarie with 10 schools and no non con games. CAnt imagine the Oswegos like having ALL their football games being in conference. Oswego and WV had a great history of playing in a non con game before their conference added schools and Before WV left Upstate 8 valley divison.
 

woody6

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What's going to happen to the Southwest Suburban? Does anyone (here) even care?
The folks at Stagg must care as evidenced by their unsuccessful bid to join the South Suburban Conference. The principal at Andrew must care by virtue of his proposal to the IHSA regarding scheduling and playoffs which did not make it to the membership ballot.
 

woody6

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Will a state-wide, universal protocol be established that mandates:
  • a physical rule book be present at all playoff games by either officials, ADs and/or coaches?
  • a playoff weekend hot line established to the IHSA to get an emergency playoff ruling or interpretation?
  • a formal process allowing one or both of the above to kick in by request?
 
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Cross Bones

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There should be a security counsel of schools that if enough in that counsel dont make the playoffs then the playoffs are cancelled.
 
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i011763

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One topic that got a lot of people going was officiating. I am not only referring to the one infamous 7A semifinal game.
The current officiating pool is aging and some have/ are hitting the point where they have some physical limitations. After all of the outcry on this board will we see a large influx in new officials in 2017 who should be working varsity in 2020 or so

Remember officiating is one of the few jobs that you are expected to be perfect on the first day and get better from there
 

Cross Bones

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One topic that got a lot of people going was officiating. I am not only referring to the one infamous 7A semifinal game.
The current officiating pool is aging and some have/ are hitting the point where they have some physical limitations. After all of the outcry on this board will we see a large influx in new officials in 2017 who should be working varsity in 2020 or so

Remember officiating is one of the few jobs that you are expected to be perfect on the first day and get better from there
No. None of the people who were killing those guys will wear the stripes this upcoming season if they werent wearing them before.
 

Blondie5

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The folks at Stagg must care as evidenced by their unsuccessful bid to join the South Suburban Conference. The principal at Andrew must care by virtue of his proposal to the IHSA regarding scheduling and playoffs which did not make it to the membership ballot.
Yes we do care!!!
 
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Will the Hitters be able to reload at LB after losing a whole fleet? And can that new ad stop the Greek Freek in Week 1?

And one thing that no one cares about but wondering how Hetlet possibly stops GW from scoring 70 on Proviso East.
 

Voodoo Tatum 21

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Will the Hitters be able to reload at LB after losing a whole fleet? And can that new ad stop the Greek Freek in Week 1?

And one thing that no one cares about but wondering how Hetlet possibly stops GW from scoring 70 on Proviso East.

How your Oline and Dline looking Capn?
 

cornerrat

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All.... Will the IHSA finally wake up and realize their latest discriminatory act against private schools (the success bylaw) needs to go away or be applied EQUALLY to private and public alike? Ratsy
 
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pjjp

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All.... Will the IHSA finally wake up and realize their latest discriminatory act against private schools (the success bylaw) needs to go away or be applied EQUALLY to private and public alike? Ratsy
Along these same lines, who will be the runner-up in 4A after Rochester wins again?
 
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How your Oline and Dline looking Capn?

We return two key OL but have a really big Soph class of linemen moving up. They might not be ready for MS, but they have 3 weeks after that game to get ready for LT.

DL started a Jr and Soph most of last season, so think they will be fine. The LBs we lost were very strong and fast. Four of those guys started in Title victory of '15 so losing that kind of experience hurts. Hetlet knows how to build LBs, so pretty sure he will reload.

Big question for many is how many Frosh from this year get pulled up. That team dominated every team they played and has three backs with take-it-to-the-house speed. With a two starting RBs and a strong Soph that saw a lot of time in Playoffs, GW will have a ton of running options. Now if they can assemble a line...
 

Gene K.

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Will the IHSA finally get its act together and allow some type of appeal process on egregious officiating mistakes (Fenwick example for one) Officials have a tough job and do a great job IMO. But they are human and can and have made officiating mistakes which have adversely impacted teams and individual players this past season.
 

LHSTigers94

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Will the IHSA finally get its act together and allow some type of appeal process on egregious officiating mistakes (Fenwick example for one) Officials have a tough job and do a great job IMO. But they are human and can and have made officiating mistakes which have adversely impacted teams and individual players this past season.

I don't think they should be able to overturn the outcome of a game. That is far too risky and would put a lot of pressure on individuals through out the process. The first question would be who determines which game can be appealed and what type of "game changing calls" can be appealed? A lot to think about on this one.
 
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I don't think they should be able to overturn the outcome of a game. That is far too risky and would put a lot of pressure on individuals through out the process. The first question would be who determines which game can be appealed and what type of "game changing calls" can be appealed? A lot to think about on this one.

The right way to do it is think of it like baseball. There are certain plays that you can "protest." If you are in a tournament situation, you may have to put the game "on hold" for a period of time it takes to resolve through the escalation process. In baseball, I have seen that process take an hour while conference, league, district or even state level escalations get resolved. Not ideal to stop hot sweaty football players in the battle for an hour, but if a trip to the state title is on the line, maybe you wait.

If used during the game in question, Fenwick could have lodged a protest before the untimed play was allowed. Officials would have acknowledged the protest and if not resolved via a quick phone call, would have "played the remaining portion of the game under protest." Any final outcome would have been stated to be temporary "pending the outcome of the protest decision." The ultimate decision would have been that the interpretation of the rule was incorrect, play should have stopped and no new play should have been awarded and the game would have been awarded to the protesting school, Fenwick.

It works in baseball. And it does not include allowing protests for "judgement calls" rather only for "rule interpretations." Part of the resolution of protests include a "what is the appropriate resolution" so a small incorrect rule interpretation like misplaced line of scrimmage or something small would never result in a "Must Replay the Game" scenario. But it would allow for a major mistake at a crucial point that causes significant impact to be dealt with appropriately. In this case, the answer would have been very simple. There would be a situation where a protest may be more gray in nature, say:
  • Team A takes safety with :10 on the clock to preserve 2 point lead
  • Team A then kicks off out of bounds
  • Refs incorrectly apply the ball placement in confusion over the Safety free-kick rule giving Team B incorrect field position
  • Team A protests
  • Team B kicks field goal on next play as time expires to win the game
  • Upon conclusion that field position was incorrectly awarded, you have a judgment call as to whether to allow the field goal or not.
My ref friends on the board would say that this situation would create a crappy situation that may not get solved correctly. But at least the governing body would be able to look at the entire situation and reasonably decide if damage was done. The magnitude of the mistake would be considered at least. If it was a 30 yard mistake in interpretation, the FG might be overruled. If it was a 5 yard mistake, the decision would likely be "no impact, deny protest."

Maybe I am just trying to stir up a different discussion for a different thread, but had a few minutes between intense year end contract negotiations and thought I would throw out some fodder.
 
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Gene K.

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The right way to do it is think of it like baseball. There are certain plays that you can "protest." If you are in a tournament situation, you may have to put the game "on hold" for a period of time it takes to resolve through the escalation process. In baseball, I have seen that process take an hour while conference, league, district or even state level escalations get resolved. Not ideal to stop hot sweaty football players in the battle for an hour, but if a trip to the state title is on the line, maybe you wait.

If used during the game in question, Fenwick could have lodged a protest before the untimed play was allowed. Officials would have acknowledged the protest and if not resolved via a quick phone call, would have "played the remaining portion of the game under protest." Any final outcome would have been stated to be temporary "pending the outcome of the protest decision." The ultimate decision would have been that the interpretation of the rule was incorrect, play should have stopped and no new play should have been awarded and the game would have been awarded to the protesting school, Fenwick.

It works in baseball. And it does not include allowing protests for "judgement calls" rather only for "rule interpretations." Part of the resolution of protests include a "what is the appropriate resolution" so a small incorrect rule interpretation like misplaced line of scrimmage or something small would never result in a "Must Replay the Game" scenario. But it would allow for a major mistake at a crucial point that causes significant impact to be dealt with appropriately. In this case, the answer would have been very simple. There would be a situation where a protest may be more gray in nature, say:
  • Team A takes safety with :10 on the clock to preserve 2 point lead
  • Team A then kicks off out of bounds
  • Refs incorrectly apply the ball placement in confusion over the Safety free-kick rule giving Team B incorrect field position
  • Team A protests
  • Team B kicks field goal on next play as time expires to win the game
  • Upon conclusion that field position was incorrectly awarded, you have a judgment call as to whether to allow the field goal or not.
My ref friends on the board would say that this situation would create a crappy situation that may not get solved correctly. But at least the governing body would be able to look at the entire situation and reasonably decide if damage was done. The magnitude of the mistake would be considered at least. If it was a 30 yard mistake in interpretation, the FG might be overruled. If it was a 5 yard mistake, the decision would likely be "no impact, deny protest."

Maybe I am just trying to stir up a different discussion for a different thread, but had a few minutes between intense year end contract negotiations and thought I would throw out some fodder.
Well thought out post Capn. Fenwick was the most glaring mistake made this year but Montini had a player ejected this year for fighting in a playoff game. Video replay showed he was not fighting but trying to get disentangled from a block. I am sure it was an honest mistake by the official calling it but the kid missed 3/4 of that game and the entire next playoff game which ended his high school football career. IMO there has to be some type of appeal process to at least review obvious misinterpretations of rules or player ejections from the next game.
 
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