QB play has killed Stoops

[mrhotdice]

Last year and so far this year, UK has basically had no QB that does one thing good for 4 qtrs.

Passing, running, game management has been awful. It's really simple to see and understand. UK was lucky that Couch came along when he did and Hal understood the Air Raid.

It's not OL or DL or whomever that has to be very good to make a team competitive, it has to be the QB.

Good QBs win period.

 

[ukwazoo]

Yeah, Drew was woeful last game. But the OL has been bad basically Stoops' entire time in the pass blocking game.

 

[ScrewDuke1]

Yeah, Drew was woeful last game. But the OL has been bad basically Stoops' entire time in the pass blocking game.

This. QB play has been bad but nobody would look good behind our o line. If you are running for your life every other play, chances are you're going to play bad.

 

[NavyCat88]

A great QB on a crappy team looks like a crappy QB. Regardless, player recruitment, retention, and development is ultimately the responsibility of the HC and the staff he assembles. HC Mark Stoops is "killing" Stoops.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Barker isnt that bad............ if his OL would effing block ..... he's shown he can hit his targets. its when he's on the run for his life that he's off ... and getting man handled rattled him and got in his head early against UF

 

[BlueRunner11]

UKs VERY first posession at UF, Barker got drilled at the same time he received the snap. Not sure what any QB can do with that. The OL is horrendous.

 

[WeepNoMore]

Last year and so far this year, UK has basically had no QB that does one thing good for 4 qtrs.

Passing, running, game management has been awful. It's really simple to see and understand. UK was lucky that Couch came along when he did and Hal understood the Air Raid.

It's not OL or DL or whomever that has to be very good to make a team competitive, it has to be the QB.

Good QBs win period.

Did you intend to post:

"Stoops has killed QB play."????

 

[LadyCaytIL]

The OL cant block
the WR's cant get open
the TE's just block and dont even do that well
the RB's dont block for the QB worth a crap and are never threats to go even 5 feet out to catch a ball
The DL cant Tackle and are too slow.. cant get any pass rush
the LB's cant shoot the gaps , play the right angles or tackle (except Jones)
the DBs cant stay with anyone or have no effing clue what their assignments are.

In conclusion.......... stoops killed the whole team and its zombies out there playing

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Last year and so far this year, UK has basically had no QB that does one thing good for 4 qtrs.

Passing, running, game management has been awful. It's really simple to see and understand. UK was lucky that Couch came along when he did and Hal understood the Air Raid.

It's not OL or DL or whomever that has to be very good to make a team competitive, it has to be the QB.

Good QBs win period.

OL is at fault for most of the QB woes. If a QB is worried about getting knocked into next week then hes not entirely focused in on the play at hand. We have had a few QB's come and go for the past several years and all have played pretty much the same way. Running scared

 

[WeepNoMore]

The OL cant block
the WR's cant get open
the TE's just block and dont even do that well
the RB's dont block for the QB worth a crap and are never threats to go even 5 feet out to catch a ball
The DL cant Tackle and are too slow.. cant get any pass rush
the LB's cant shoot the gaps , play the right angles or tackle (except Jones)
the DBs cant stay with anyone or have no effing clue what their assignments are.

In conclusion.......... stoops killed the whole team and its zombies out there playing

In other words, this year's team is simply the latest version of Stoops' trademark as a coach: Stoops' teams do not play fundamentally sound FB!!

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Last year and so far this year, UK has basically had no QB that does one thing good for 4 qtrs.

Passing, running, game management has been awful. It's really simple to see and understand. UK was lucky that Couch came along when he did and Hal understood the Air Raid.

It's not OL or DL or whomever that has to be very good to make a team competitive, it has to be the QB.

Good QBs win period.

I'm forced to disagree with this. Over the years Peyton Manning was considered one of the GOAT in the NFL, very smart, very accurate. Playing Seattle in the Superbowl he looked as inept as a 3rd stringer put in because the starter and backup were in car accidents on the way to the game. Yet came back to win a SuperBowl later. No qb regardless of his ability is going to look very good when he doesn't have time to grip the laces before he gets hit. A good qb can overcome some other weaknesses, but he can't overcome having a bad OL. The thing is the D doesn't have to even get to him, he knows breaking the huddle he is not going to have much time, which forces him to make throws he doesn't want to make into coverage he doesn't want to throw at because he knows he is about to get hit, or just throw it away. All throw aways aren't out of bounds either.

But on the other hand, a great OL gives an average qb confidence because he knows they will give him time to wait until someone can break open and he doesn't have to throw into that small window in hopes of making a play.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

yep how did Tim Couch do up in cleveland where they were known for a god awful OL? Everyone knew he had tremendous talent but the guy got like 10 concussions a year thanks to the OL

 

[51stFan]

You have to adjust to what you have. Some of the great offensive minds will move the football regardless of where they coach. They might be a few times where they are so physically outmatched (Bama) that they will struggle, but then again they will outscheme some teams that have more talent and get an upset. Petrino, Briles, and Leach are prime examples. Their QBs are going to look decent regardless of who is back there.

 

[JohnBlue]

Kentucky has always had a weak OL outside a few select years. Right now this team basically doesn't even have a qb the play is so bad. I would put a RB in the slot and go with it.

 

[Kingebeneezer]

Yeah, Drew was woeful last game. But the OL has been bad basically Stoops' entire time in the pass blocking game.

UL never has a good Oline and they always find QBs that make plays despite that.

 

[UKFootball78]

The OL cant block
the WR's cant get open
the TE's just block and dont even do that well
the RB's dont block for the QB worth a crap and are never threats to go even 5 feet out to catch a ball
The DL cant Tackle and are too slow.. cant get any pass rush
the LB's cant shoot the gaps , play the right angles or tackle (except Jones)
the DBs cant stay with anyone or have no effing clue what their assignments are.

In conclusion.......... stoops killed the whole team and its zombies out there playing

This is also what I have seen since Stoops has been here. It is baffling that none of these issues have been fixed.

 

[Kingebeneezer]

UKs VERY first posession at UF, Barker got drilled at the same time he received the snap. Not sure what any QB can do with that. The OL is horrendous.

Last time UL played FL Teddy got his freaking clock cleaned on the very first play and it didn't stop or ratttle him. Barker just stinks.

 

[Kingebeneezer]

Kentucky has always had a weak OL outside a few select years. Right now this team basically doesn't even have a qb the play is so bad. I would put a RB in the slot and go with it.

Most teams outside of Bama have bad Olines. Good QB play can overcome bad Olines in college.

 

[Kooky Kats_anon]

Last I checked, every position sucked on this and last year's team. TS. Every guy (save Jordan Jones) quit. It's over.

The Lines are the worst units on the field, bar-none. The OLine is an abysmal failure at the feet of newly extended John Schlarman. Too bad Neal didn't take that carbuncle with him to Troy.

It's too easy to blame the QB. See last year with PT.

These guys spit the bit and the AD has to answer for it. The coaches and AD need to be removed from their duties.

The cash cow is roadkill.

 

[Kingseve1]

Stoops has had two highly rated Qbs to work with. Stoops hasnt improved either QB much.

I would argue that Towles played well until the 2014 class mutiny set in and they quit trying for him. Speaking of the 19th ranked 2014 class, they are the biggest bust of all time

 

[Kingebeneezer]

Stoops has had two highly rated Qbs to work with. Stoops hasnt improved either QB much.

I would argue that Towles played well until the 2014 class mutiny set in and they quit trying for him. Speaking of the 19th ranked 2014 class, they are the biggest bust of all time

I would argue that PT is just a bad QB. He is still putting up underwhelming numbers at BC.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Last time UL played FL Teddy got his freaking clock cleaned on the very first play and it didn't stop or ratttle him. Barker just stinks.

He did not play well but is far from UKs biggest problem right now. The non existent defense is. He will improve, but you can't expect a sophomore in what his 3rd start? to hang the 45 plus needed with no OL to keep up with UF at the swamp.

 

[Kingseve1]

I would argue that PT is just a bad QB. He is still putting up underwhelming numbers at BC.

What are his numbers? I watched him play in the rain against Georgia Tech and he about won the game for BC, which would have been their first conference win in over a year.

 

[wildcatdon]

Last year and so far this year, UK has basically had no QB that does one thing good for 4 qtrs.

Passing, running, game management has been awful. It's really simple to see and understand. UK was lucky that Couch came along when he did and Hal understood the Air Raid.

It's not OL or DL or whomever that has to be very good to make a team competitive, it has to be the QB.

Good QBs win period.

Just about the most important reason our QBs have sucked is because of the offensive line. they suck so bad and it makes the QB ineffective and kills confidence and any momentum. Barker is good enough if he has time enough.

 

[shutzhund]

Last year and so far this year, UK has basically had no QB that does one thing good for 4 qtrs.

Passing, running, game management has been awful. It's really simple to see and understand. UK was lucky that Couch came along when he did and Hal understood the Air Raid.

It's not OL or DL or whomever that has to be very good to make a team competitive, it has to be the QB.

Good QBs win period.

Come on Dice, you know better than that. For one thing the qb doesn't play on the defensive unit.

 

[StubbornPenny]

First road start for a first year starter? In the swamp? And he's drilled on the first play? Yeah, that's going to go badly.

 

[andreIGUODOLLAsigns4UK]

What are his numbers? I watched him play in the rain against Georgia Tech and he about won the game for BC, which would have been their first conference win in over a year.

Lol. You mean the defense almost got them a win and Towles did everything possible in his power to lose the game including handing the ball off to the opposing team. Towles was simply a terrible QB. Barker hasn't had a chance with this piss poor OL. Bottom line. We need coaching.

 

[Kingseve1]

First road start for a first year starter? In the swamp? And he's drilled on the first play? Yeah, that's going to go badly.

The swamp is a tough place to play, but 2-9 for 10 yards and 3 picks.

Towles got knocked around and still took Florida to triple overtime in his first start in the swamp. Refs overlooked the old play clock going to zero

 

[51stFan]

The swamp is a tough place to play, but 2-9 for 10 yards and 3 picks.

Towles got knocked around and still took Florida to triple overtime in his first start in the swamp. Refs overlooked the old play clock going to zero

The offense used to be more functional early on in the past few years before Stoops would put the clamp on them trying to control time of possession to keep his sorry defense off the field. Looks as though the clamps came early this year.

 

[StubbornPenny]

The swamp is a tough place to play, but 2-9 for 10 yards and 3 picks.

Towles got knocked around and still took Florida to triple overtime in his first start in the swamp. Refs overlooked the old play clock going to zero

Which is even scarier that Towles might be better than Barker. Overall, it's a really bad situation.

 

[TBCat]

Most teams outside of Bama have bad Olines. Good QB play can overcome bad Olines in college.

That's a silly statement. Most teams do not have bad Olines. That statement is even possible. Look at the NFL most of the O linemen do not come from Bama. There are plenty good lines out there. I'm not even sure Alabama has the best one.

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

QBs like DB and PT can only be as good as the players and staff around them.They are not dynamic play makers that are going to lift a program on their own.

Andre Woodson was a solid QB and had a good career, but I don't know that he was significantly more talented than either DB or PT. But Andre had a better supporting cast around him, players and coaches. At the peak of the Brooks era, the defense was pretty competitive as well which always helps the QB.

Brooks and staff developed and coached their talent a lot better than what CMS n crew have done.

CMS has really recruited the wrong type of QB. If things were a lot better than what they are a QB like PT or DB would be just fine, but obviously things are seemingly falling apart.

What this team and program has needed is an explosive athlete at QB who can make plays and move chains.

Obviously they don't grow on trees and the few that are out there get snatched up, but I think CMS and company have really dropped the ball in the QB recruiting and evaluating department.

 

[Kingseve1]

QBs like DB and PT can only be as good as the players and staff around them.They are not dynamic play makers that are going to lift a program on their own.

Andre Woodson was a solid QB and had a good career, but I don't know that he was significantly more talented than either DB or PT. But Andre had a better supporting cast around him, players and coaches. At the peak of the Brooks era, the defense was pretty competitive as well which always helps the QB.

Brooks and staff developed and coached their talent a lot better than what CMS n crew have done.

CMS has really recruited the wrong type of QB. If things were a lot better than what they are a QB like PT or DB would be just fine, but obviously things are seemingly falling apart.

What this team and program has needed is an explosive athlete at QB who can make plays and move chains.

Obviously they don't grow on trees and the few that are out there get snatched up, but I think CMS and company have really dropped the ball in the QB recruiting and evaluating department.

I agree with most of this. Woodson had much better coaching around him and a better defense. Woodson is a lot more talented than Barker, but I think Towles and Woodson are inline talent wise.

Towles has the speed at 4.58 Vs. 4.9 for Woodson. Both had big arms, but Woodson is more accurate. Towles is a little tougher and can make big plays with his feet. Woodson got to play all 5 years at UK, where PT got Run. It'll be interesting to see if Towles plays his way onto an NFL team. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Kid just needs a good coach.

Also, Towles at 6'5 and 250 with speed and a big arm are by definition Dynamic.

 

[JasonS.]

There are pros and cons to the Adjusted QBR, but FWIW this is how QB play under Stoops ranks according to Adjusted QBR:

1. 2013 Jalen Whitlow
2. 2014 Patrick Towles
3. 2015 Patrick Towles
4. 2013 Maxwell Smith
5. 2016 Drew Barker

 

[Kingseve1]

There are pros and cons to the Adjusted QBR, but FWIW this is how QB play under Stoops ranks according to Adjusted QBR:

1. 2013 Jalen Whitlow
2. 2014 Patrick Towles
3. 2015 Patrick Towles
4. 2013 Maxwell Smith
5. 2016 Drew Barker

Hard to believe Whitlow had a decent anything rating. He was one of the worst Kentucky QBs I can remember. Good kid though, but better suited to another position.

 

[JasonS.]

Hard to believe Whitlow had a decent anything rating. He was one of the worst Kentucky QBs I can remember. Good kid though, but better suited to another position.

Tis true. It should be noted none of their numbers are very good. For example, Barker right now is 120th nationally in QBR.

Also should be noted Barker's QB rating is pretty good (147.6, 47th nationally) ... owed mostly to his relatively high yards/attempt number.

 

[Kingseve1]

Tis true. It should be noted none of their numbers are very good. For example, Barker right now is 120th nationally in QBR.

Also should be noted Barker's QB rating is pretty good (147.6, 47th nationally) ... owed mostly to his relatively high yards/attempt number.

They play in the SEC with Less Talent than competitors. QBRs probably don't mean much when discussing the worst teams QB performance in the toughest conference that is known for its Defense.

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

I agree with most of this. Woodson had much better coaching around him and a better defense. Woodson is a lot more talented than Barker, but I think Towles and Woodson are inline talent wise.

Towles has the speed at 4.58 Vs. 4.9 for Woodson. Both had big arms, but Woodson is more accurate. Towles is a little tougher and can make big plays with his feet. Woodson got to play all 5 years at UK, where PT got Run. It'll be interesting to see if Towles plays his way onto an NFL team. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Kid just needs a good coach.

Also, Towles at 6'5 and 250 with speed and a big arm are by definition Dynamic.

PT was a big athlete, and I do wish NB and SD both would have implemented more of a QB run attack into their offenses.

I just don't know if PT was explosive or athletic enough to totally change the course of a game or season. Who knows though, he never really got that chance.

What we've needed, really since Cobb left, is somebody who just pops. A qb other teams have to really prepare for and focus on.

 

[willievic]

Coach Stoops, or someone else wants Barker to stay in the pocket. What Pocket! He would be better rolling out, even then I doubt any of the OL's could pull and give him a couple of seconds. Let's face it, we are not a very good team, and our OL and DL suck.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

There are pros and cons to the Adjusted QBR, but FWIW this is how QB play under Stoops ranks according to Adjusted QBR:

1. 2013 Jalen Whitlow
2. 2014 Patrick Towles
3. 2015 Patrick Towles
4. 2013 Maxwell Smith
5. 2016 Drew Barker

How well did max smith play at san diego st?