Question for the board

[DvlDog4WVU]

Do you support Mueller going beyond the scope of the Collusion angle in his investigation?

In my opinion, I'm on record as stating I don't believe there is any evidence to the collusion allegations, at least as it directly relates to Trump. I pose the question as it relates to the appropriate bounding of the investigation. With the latest news that they've empaneled a GJ, I think that's indicative of not having found sufficient evidence or received sufficient statements from those interviewed thus far. By that, I mean they haven't presently been able to use what they've uncovered if anything at all. With the GJ, the interviews become testimony and perjury now becomes an issue. It's every bit a strategy used during any investigation especially one of this magnitude to compel testimony.

Do you think it's appropriate if they've found no collusion evidence to begin pouring through other facets of Trump's life to find "something"? In my opinion, as I've stated, I definitely think there likely exists something he could be tanked on the financial side of dealings, maybe with Russia, and maybe not. However, if it doesn't relate to collusion, I don't think it's appropriate to go fishing. I wouldn't agree with a fishing expedition on anyone to be honest, that would include the Clintons. I didn't agree with the Ken Starr investigation.

One has to ask themselves what they want. Do you just want him taken down, regardless of what it's for? Or can/could you be satisfied with the collusion angle being put to bed?

 

[rog1187]

Do you support Mueller going beyond the scope of the Collusion angle in his investigation?

In my opinion, I'm on record as stating I don't believe there is any evidence to the collusion allegations, at least as it directly relates to Trump. I pose the question as it relates to the appropriate bounding of the investigation. With the latest news that they've empaneled a GJ, I think that's indicative of not having found sufficient evidence or received sufficient statements from those interviewed thus far. By that, I mean they haven't presently been able to use what they've uncovered if anything at all. With the GJ, the interviews become testimony and perjury now becomes an issue. It's every bit a strategy used during any investigation especially one of this magnitude to compel testimony.

Do you think it's appropriate if they've found no collusion evidence to begin pouring through other facets of Trump's life to find "something"? In my opinion, as I've stated, I definitely think there likely exists something he could be tanked on the financial side of dealings, maybe with Russia, and maybe not. However, if it doesn't relate to collusion, I don't think it's appropriate to go fishing. I wouldn't agree with a fishing expedition on anyone to be honest, that would include the Clintons. I didn't agree with the Ken Starr investigation.

One has to ask themselves what they want. Do you just want him taken down, regardless of what it's for? Or can/could you be satisfied with the collusion angle being put to bed?

Should be no fishing expeditions - I thought this was the US where after the crime you find the man...not find the man then look for a crime.

 

[Boomboom521]

1: I'm pretty sure you were one of the posters bragging that Mueller was given free range to explore ANY crimes he comes across. Saying that the Dems/Clintons were in trouble, because the investigation would turn up something illegal in that direction and Mueller would follow. This was also discussed in regards to Comey and leaks.

2: why in the world would Trump's financial history be off limits? That's ridiculous. It's blatantly relevant when looking for potential motivation and benefits for Russian collusion within the campaign.

3: I know rightwing blindness is a crazy problem these days, but the email chain from Trump Jr (that existed long before it was reported on btw) shows evidence of collusion. Both the admission of a Kremlin backed effort to help Trump win, and the desire for a campaign figure to benefit from that effort. Continuing the narrative that there is nothing that justifies this investigation is ridiculous.

Right wingers just want this to be thrown back on the Democrats one way or the other. Either they want any wrongdoing to be placed on the DNC and the Clintons, and then it's ok for Mueller to expand his investigation in any direction that brings those crimes into play. But in regards to Trump...Mueller shouldn't expand the scope beyond Russian collusion at all. Mueller isn't a Democrat. Mueller isn't following a political motivation. Let him investigate, if Trump has nothing to hide....what's the problem. If the poor baby wants to whine about how unfair it is that his dealings are scrutinized, he shouldn't have ran for office. I want Mueller to be thorough.

GOP Senators are in support of passing a bill designed to protect Mueller from Trump.....to still categorize this as a politically fabricated witch hunt is getting pretty foolish.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Should be no fishing expeditions - I thought this was the US where after the crime you find the man...not find the man then look for a crime.

Did you sleep through the Clinton years? Whitewater>Travelgate>Troopergate>Billing recordsgate>Paula Jonesgate>Monicagate

As to the op's question, if the investigation leads to finances as it relates to Trump's Russia dealings, then should Mueller just ignore? If he sees evidence of massive money laundering (which is what I suspect), should he simply say, no biggie? I do doubt he'll pull a Ken Starr and look into Trumplethinskin's ***** grabbing and golden shower affinity. But who knows.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Do you support Mueller going beyond the scope of the Collusion angle in his investigation?

In my opinion, I'm on record as stating I don't believe there is any evidence to the collusion allegations, at least as it directly relates to Trump. I pose the question as it relates to the appropriate bounding of the investigation. With the latest news that they've empaneled a GJ, I think that's indicative of not having found sufficient evidence or received sufficient statements from those interviewed thus far. By that, I mean they haven't presently been able to use what they've uncovered if anything at all. With the GJ, the interviews become testimony and perjury now becomes an issue. It's every bit a strategy used during any investigation especially one of this magnitude to compel testimony.

Do you think it's appropriate if they've found no collusion evidence to begin pouring through other facets of Trump's life to find "something"? In my opinion, as I've stated, I definitely think there likely exists something he could be tanked on the financial side of dealings, maybe with Russia, and maybe not. However, if it doesn't relate to collusion, I don't think it's appropriate to go fishing. I wouldn't agree with a fishing expedition on anyone to be honest, that would include the Clintons. I didn't agree with the Ken Starr investigation.

One has to ask themselves what they want. Do you just want him taken down, regardless of what it's for? Or can/could you be satisfied with the collusion angle being put to bed?

He's been tasked to investigate any links between Russia, Trump and the campaign and "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation". I'll trust him to do his job, then again I'm not some paranoid, alt right, conspiracy driven loon.

I'm with you on Trump and collusion. No chance in hell. I'll be surprised if there isn't at least 1 person from his campaign that gets charged though. Then again, I could be way off on them too, so it's nice they get a chance to clear their name.

I think it's possible obstruction of justice is where we might be headed with our sherbet President.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

http://www.abajournal.com/news/arti...investigation_into_russian_influence_include/

“any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation,”

 

[rog1187]

Did you sleep through the Clinton years? Whitewater>Travelgate>Troopergate>Billing recordsgate>Paula Jonesgate>Monicagate

As to the op's question, if the investigation leads to finances as it relates to Trump's Russia dealings, then should Mueller just ignore? If he sees evidence of massive money laundering (which is what I suspect), should he simply say, no biggie? I do doubt he'll pull a Ken Starr and look into Trumplethinskin's ***** grabbing and golden shower affinity. But who knows.

Feel free to go back and get my statements on those investigations during their times.

I thought this SC was focused on collusion during the 2016 election...just how far back does that allow the SC to snoop...back to his HS days?

 

[rog1187]

He's been tasked to investigate any links between Russia, Trump and the campaign and "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation". I'll trust him to do his job, then again I'm not some paranoid, alt right, conspiracy driven loon.

I'm with you on Trump and collusion. No chance in hell. I'll be surprised if there isn't at least 1 person from his campaign that gets charged though. Then again, I could be way off on them too, so it's nice they get a chance to clear their name.

I think it's possible obstruction of justice is where we might be headed with our sherbet President.

heh heh 'sherbet'...that's funny

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

1: I'm pretty sure you were one of the posters bragging that Mueller was given free range to explore ANY crimes he comes across. Saying that the Dems/Clintons were in trouble, because the investigation would turn up something illegal in that direction and Mueller would follow. This was also discussed in regards to Comey and leaks.

2: why in the world would Trump's financial history be off limits? That's ridiculous. It's blatantly relevant when looking for potential motivation and benefits for Russian collusion within the campaign.

3: I know rightwing blindness is a crazy problem these days, but the email chain from Trump Jr (that existed long before it was reported on btw) shows evidence of collusion. Both the admission of a Kremlin backed effort to help Trump win, and the desire for a campaign figure to benefit from that effort. Continuing the narrative that there is nothing that justifies this investigation is ridiculous.

Right wingers just want this to be thrown back on the Democrats one way or the other. Either they want any wrongdoing to be placed on the DNC and the Clintons, and then it's ok for Mueller to expand his investigation in any direction that brings those crimes into play. But in regards to Trump...Mueller shouldn't expand the scope beyond Russian collusion at all. Mueller isn't a Democrat. Mueller isn't following a political motivation. Let him investigate, if Trump has nothing to hide....what's the problem. If the poor baby wants to whine about how unfair it is that his dealings are scrutinized, he shouldn't have ran for office. I want Mueller to be thorough.

GOP Senators are in support of passing a bill designed to protect Mueller from Trump.....to still categorize this as a politically fabricated witch hunt is getting pretty foolish.

I wasn't bragging, I was cautioning.

I think in regards to the money, if it relates to the Russians, I'm ok with it. If it doesn't then I'm not.

 

[rog1187]

Did you sleep through the Clinton years? Whitewater>Travelgate>Troopergate>Billing recordsgate>Paula Jonesgate>Monicagate

I'll assume you were against those investigations and/or how they were handled...yet okay with this one?

 

[Boomboom521]

I wasn't bragging, I was cautioning.

I think in regards to the money, if it relates to the Russians, I'm ok with it. If it doesn't then I'm not.

It doesn't matter anyway. Even if Mueller finds that Trump was working with the Kremlin to launder money, loyalists won't care. GOP lawmakers are the only people Trump needs to worry about, if they turn on him....he's done. If Mueller finds something concrete about collusion, loyalists won't care either. Right?

 

[Boomboom521]

I'll assume you were against those investigations and/or how they were handled...yet okay with this one?

There are substantial differences

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

It doesn't matter anyway. Even if Mueller finds that Trump was working with the Kremlin to launder money, loyalists won't care. GOP lawmakers are the only people Trump needs to worry about, if they turn on him....he's done. If Mueller finds something concrete about collusion, loyalists won't care either. Right?

I don't consider myself a loyalist, but if there existed a coordinated effort, then I'd care. What has been disclosed thus far is not concerning to me though. Money laundering would be enough for me, and I'm betting IF he goes down, it will be financially related. Does it matter to you if it doesn't relate to the Russian Gov't?

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

It doesn't matter anyway. Even if Mueller finds that Trump was working with the Kremlin to launder money, loyalists won't care. GOP lawmakers are the only people Trump needs to worry about, if they turn on him....he's done. If Mueller finds something concrete about collusion, loyalists won't care either. Right?

This^^^^

 

[Boomboom521]

I don't consider myself a loyalist, but if there existed a coordinated effort, then I'd care. What has been disclosed thus far is not concerning to me though. Money laundering would be enough for me, and I'm betting IF he goes down, it will be financially related. Does it matter to you if it doesn't relate to the Russian Gov't?

To some degree. Criminal is criminal, but the degrees to which something is punishable is a reality. I would need to know the extent to which the operation existed and reasons for it to be seen as benign. For example: if it was more of a business tactic aimed at preventing tax penalties for a foreign property of his, something along those lines...I wouldn't care. If it's something unrealated to Russia, but yet something more sinister or a major source of revenue or tax evasion...I think it would still matter to me, and I'd want him removed from office.

 

[Boomboom521]

I don't consider myself a loyalist, but if there existed a coordinated effort, then I'd care. What has been disclosed thus far is not concerning to me though. Money laundering would be enough for me, and I'm betting IF he goes down, it will be financially related. Does it matter to you if it doesn't relate to the Russian Gov't?

But I want him removed right now.....so......it's not a totally objective opinion coming from me. But I am for justice, both ways.

 

[WVUBRU]

Per what I understand, Mueller is still within his scope of the guidelines of the Special Counsel in which the Asst AG tasked him with. Whackos are bellyaching, denying facts and deflecting every chance they get in their support for Trump just like the OP is representing

 

[Keyser76]

Mueller is smart enough to know where to go. Trump has already obstructed, he just isn't smart enough to see it. Basically been undermining his own defense with his tweets and that interview and making the case for Mueller. The finance angle is probably why he is terrified to release his tax returns like promised. I mean I'm sure he doesn't want us to see how much and to which Russians he is in hock to.He acts guiltier by the day. Still hasn't said a negative word about Russia and his signing statement on the sanctions was pathetic. GOP turning on him now too, made it impossible for him to make recess appointments.

 

[MountaineerWV]

If, during the investigation, they uncover other potential red flags (un-related to Russia) then they should pursue them.

 

[Boomboom521]

If, during the investigation, they uncover other potential red flags (un-related to Russia) then they should pursue them.

I know I'm biased, but wouldn't that essentially be a crime for them not to report those crimes at least?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

But I want him removed right now.....so......it's not a totally objective opinion coming from me. But I am for justice, both ways.

Meh. As long as he just gets better, I don't need him to leave. It's only 6 months in and we seem to finally be getting all the nationalist kooks out, so maybe there's a chance? Of course, I don't hold out too much hope that a 70 year old billionaire will change.

 

[Boomboom521]

Meh. As long as he just gets better, I don't need him to leave. It's only 6 months in and we seem to finally be getting all the nationalist kooks out, so maybe there's a chance? Of course, I don't hold out too much hope that a 70 year old billionaire will change.

Personally, I think his rhetoric is dangerous enough. Added to his horrible destruction of the EPA, and I'm already done.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Personally, I think his rhetoric is dangerous enough. Added to his horrible destruction of the EPA, and I'm already done.

I'm not suggesting we will add his head to Mount Rushmore, but we could survive his 4 years. You think replacing Trump with Pence is going to lessen the "horrible destruction" (lol) of the EPA?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Per what I understand, Mueller is still within his scope of the guidelines of the Special Counsel in which the Asst AG tasked him with. Whackos are bellyaching, denying facts and deflecting every chance they get in their support for Trump just like the OP is representing

I understand he's within the scope he's been assigned. It could literally lead and go anywhere, but that isn't the point of what I was soliciting opinions on. My question more related to seeing if people only care about his removal by any means necessary or if they only cared about the collusion angle.

 

[wvu2007]

Meh. As long as he just gets better, I don't need him to leave. It's only 6 months in and we seem to finally be getting all the nationalist kooks out, so maybe there's a chance? Of course, I don't hold out too much hope that a 70 year old billionaire will change.

Lol. Wrong again

 

[bornaneer]

Mueller will conclude there was no collusion. But he could find other non collusion things and if he decides to present them to his D.C. grand jury.......indictments will follow....Does the name Scotter Libby ring a bell and what "high crime" was he charged with? You all know what they say about grand juries.....especially with this case in a city where Trump received the whooping total of 12,723 votes out of 311,268 cast. I think even our low IQ friends can figure this one out.

 

[Boomboom521]

I'm not suggesting we will add his head to Mount Rushmore, but we could survive his 4 years. You think replacing Trump with Pence is going to lessen the "horrible destruction" (lol) of the EPA?

Maybe not, but I think can work on the hill to get some conservative agenda things done that I'm for. I also think he would be less divisive in his rhetoric.

 

[WVUBRU]

I understand he's within the scope he's been assigned. It could literally lead and go anywhere, but that isn't the point of what I was soliciting opinions on. My question more related to seeing if people only care about his removal by any means necessary or if they only cared about the collusion angle.

I care about knowing the truth and motivation of our elected officials if it conflicts with the oath they took. In this case, there appears to be evidence Trump is doing stuff not in the best interest of the country and is following his oath. That is a problem. Now I want to know if it is because of something illegal or just stupidity. My motivation is not based on whether he is removable or not.

 

[bornaneer]

I care about knowing the truth and motivation of our elected officials if it conflicts with the oath they took. In this case, there appears to be evidence Trump is doing stuff not in the best interest of the country and is following his oath. That is a problem. Now I want to know if it is because of something illegal or just stupidity. My motivation is not based on whether he is removable or not.

What about a real estate transaction that happened in 2008? I have seen a lot of questions about it in the media.

 

[WVUBRU]

What about a real estate transaction that happened in 2008? I have seen a lot of questions about it in the media.

The house in Florida? I don't know if I know the facts but it was purchased by a russian. Right? That is well within the guidelines of the investigation by Mueller and most certainly can be used against Trump in favor of the Russians.

 

[Boomboom521]

The house in Florida? I don't know if I know the facts but it was purchased by a russian. Right? That is well within the guidelines of the investigation by Mueller and most certainly can be used against Trump in favor of the Russians.

Frankly, imo, anything financial is basically relevant. If a prosecutor is investigating a suspect for a possible crime (which is what is happening here believe it or not), financial debt is always a potential motive for criminal action. Establishing motive is a part of a good investigators strategy. If Trump would have just cooled it on the Russia thing, maybe this wouldn't have happened. Of course, we all know now that he expected Sessions to be in charge of any investigation.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

The house in Florida? I don't know if I know the facts but it was purchased by a russian. Right? That is well within the guidelines of the investigation by Mueller and most certainly can be used against Trump in favor of the Russians.

Bought by a Russian with russian mob connections for a heavily inflated price. These russians seem to have found a certain real estate mogul who is willing to help them to clean up their money.

 

[mneilmont]

I'm not suggesting we will add his head to Mount Rushmore, but we could survive his 4 years. You think replacing Trump with Pence is going to lessen the "horrible destruction" (lol) of the EPA?

It is my wish that every damned one of you screaming for this investigation to continue to receive the same kind of treatment. This is a witch hunt and none of you could withstand an investigation that "goes wherever it takes you". I do trust that none of you are absolutely pure as the white snow.

How would you react when you are being hounded to prove that you are guilty of some infraction. The US government financing and totally no bounds in the search. I have generally been a pretty good boy, but there has not been a decade in my life that I could survive an investigation looking for something to charge me with.

Those who have live thru these type investigations. It is really not a valid investigation. Normally, a person is investigated for an offense. If the outcome is not guilty, the investigation stops. In a witch hunt such as this, the selected investigator gets his breath and initiate another investigation - after Gov money is picked up to finance wherever the investigation takes us to. Clinton was guilty of a bunch of inappropriate activities, and he was found guilty in a perjury case. Lied to a sitting jury. Option was to tell Hillary he had been a bit sexually active outside the house. Hell, that was what they called a perjury trap. Hillary had already broken everything in the WH that she could pick up and throw. That was just on suspicion. Now you are telling him that he must confess before the world - and that crazy woman.

Trump has been thru audit by IRS and came out clean or paid whatever he was assessed and what his team agreed to. Now he has a team of legal beagles who are going to validate all the audited transactions. That team must find something to charge someone with to justify their being. Don't believe that? Then allow the same team to audit ever move or transaction you have made in life. They are out to prove what you are guilty of. They have no interest in your innocence. They have no interest in a fine and restitution. They will only be satisfied with illegal act that receives time.

 

[Boomboom521]

It is my wish that every damned one of you screaming for this investigation to continue to receive the same kind of treatment. This is a witch hunt and none of you could withstand an investigation that "goes wherever it takes you". I do trust that none of you are absolutely pure as the white snow.

How would you react when you are being hounded to prove that you are guilty of some infraction. The US government financing and totally no bounds in the search. I have generally been a pretty good boy, but there has not been a decade in my life that I could survive an investigation looking for something to charge me with.

Those who have live thru these type investigations. It is really not a valid investigation. Normally, a person is investigated for an offense. If the outcome is not guilty, the investigation stops. In a witch hunt such as this, the selected investigator gets his breath and initiate another investigation - after Gov money is picked up to finance wherever the investigation takes us to. Clinton was guilty of a bunch of inappropriate activities, and he was found guilty in a perjury case. Lied to a sitting jury. Option was to tell Hillary he had been a bit sexually active outside the house. Hell, that was what they called a perjury trap. Hillary had already broken everything in the WH that she could pick up and throw. That was just on suspicion. Now you are telling him that he must confess before the world - and that crazy woman.

Trump has been thru audit by IRS and came out clean or paid whatever he was assessed and what his team agreed to. Now he has a team of legal beagles who are going to validate all the audited transactions. That team must find something to charge someone with to justify their being. Don't believe that? Then allow the same team to audit ever move or transaction you have made in life. They are out to prove what you are guilty of. They have no interest in your innocence. They have no interest in a fine and restitution. They will only be satisfied with illegal act that receives time.

Fvcking joke....peaches....it's not a witch hunt

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

It is my wish that every damned one of you screaming for this investigation to continue to receive the same kind of treatment. This is a witch hunt and none of you could withstand an investigation that "goes wherever it takes you". I do trust that none of you are absolutely pure as the white snow.

How would you react when you are being hounded to prove that you are guilty of some infraction. The US government financing and totally no bounds in the search. I have generally been a pretty good boy, but there has not been a decade in my life that I could survive an investigation looking for something to charge me with.

Those who have live thru these type investigations. It is really not a valid investigation. Normally, a person is investigated for an offense. If the outcome is not guilty, the investigation stops. In a witch hunt such as this, the selected investigator gets his breath and initiate another investigation - after Gov money is picked up to finance wherever the investigation takes us to. Clinton was guilty of a bunch of inappropriate activities, and he was found guilty in a perjury case. Lied to a sitting jury. Option was to tell Hillary he had been a bit sexually active outside the house. Hell, that was what they called a perjury trap. Hillary had already broken everything in the WH that she could pick up and throw. That was just on suspicion. Now you are telling him that he must confess before the world - and that crazy woman.

Trump has been thru audit by IRS and came out clean or paid whatever he was assessed and what his team agreed to. Now he has a team of legal beagles who are going to validate all the audited transactions. That team must find something to charge someone with to justify their being. Don't believe that? Then allow the same team to audit ever move or transaction you have made in life. They are out to prove what you are guilty of. They have no interest in your innocence. They have no interest in a fine and restitution. They will only be satisfied with illegal act that receives time.

[roll]

 

[mneilmont]

Fvcking joke....peaches....it's not a witch hunt

If you insist on the name, I will request that you eat me. With all the **** you hav eaten on this one thread, it is obvious that your virginity is not at risk.

If they would have looked at specific charges and move on, I wouldn't disagree, but when the charge has no boundry, that is wrong. When I was active and a warrant was issued, it had to be rather exact. The what and where had to be specific. Judge would not issue the warrant without specificity. If it specified bathroom and object was found in kitchen, it is a bad arrest.

No one is above or below the law. The witch hunt is not treating the President and his men fairly. Now, the only ***** joke is you and your reasoning.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[mneilmont]

Fvcking joke....peaches....it's not a witch hunt

Damn, now you have done it. I told you we would attract Triple Prick when we get involved in invitation for you to eat me. Then, like clock work there he appears right after your post. Damn, damn, damn.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

If you insist on the name, I will request that you eat me. With all the **** you hav eaten on this one thread, it is obvious that your virginity is not at risk.

If they would have looked at specific charges and move on, I wouldn't disagree, but when the charge has no boundry, that is wrong. When I was active and a warrant was issued, it had to be rather exact. The what and where had to be specific. Judge would not issue the warrant without specificity. If it specified bathroom and object was found in kitchen, it is a bad arrest.

No one is above or below the law. The witch hunt is not treating the President and his men fairly. Now, the only ***** joke is you and your reasoning.

[roll]:flush:

 

[wvu2007]

[roll]:flush:

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