If what Petrino did at Arkansas wasn't so bad then why was he fired? How do you guys know that Sandy Bell didn't say no way to Petrino. And before you guys say Bell has no say she was part of interviewing the NCAA about Cal and his past before they hired him.
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Petrino's never had any NCAA trouble that I'm aware of (unlike Calipari). He's certainly had his issues, but none of the compliance nature.
Otis vs KENTUCKY...different ads, different ideas on how to get there...one is being successful and one is failing miserably at football...Your choice
"No Petrino fans gonna answer this one I guess."
Petrino misled the AD and broke administrative HR laws, the school had no choice but to let him go.
It is pretty easy to find this information, not sure of the need to castigate posters when you have google just like everyone else?
Again, cal had NCAA issues as well as player personel issues and we went with it. Petrino has way more personal issues. Barnhart and Bell bent by force to hire cal, they weren't going to do it with Petrino. Barnhart is about his image first and foremost. It's why he relinquished control of basketball in case it went south. He didn't want his name attached to it. He wanted a way out.
Saying Cals baggage was less than petrino's is correct, minus the NCAA issues. Saying that cal was roses and a deemed saint while Petrino is a no go because of morals is hypocrisy.
I'm for hiring winners as long as they walk the line. Cal does it just fine. Petrino? We don't know and we'll never know. I would have risked it.
Saying Cals baggage was less than petrino's is correct, minus the NCAA issues. Saying that cal was roses and a deemed saint while Petrino is a no go because of morals is hypocrisy.
I'm for hiring winners as long as they walk the line. Cal does it just fine. Petrino? We don't know and we'll never know. I would have risked it.
And at lousoville misleading the AD is par for the course. Or maybe the AD is complicit?
The point I make is a school like Arkansas can afford to take that stand. Louisville football? UK football? Just can't do it. But we've got an AD that thinks he can be choosy. That's the issue to me.
If we hired petrino and we won some games but he got fired for misconduct or something.... it would set us back a lot... it could take 60 years to recover and be good again (end sarcasm )
Not necessarily a BP fan, but I do know that he is between a rock and a hard place on this...next mistake probably equals NO marriage and career is over...lots of incentives there
The chances of him illegally hiring a volleyball player again are pretty slim.
The chances of him screwing the program over and leaving in the middle of the night, much higher.
Ark is doing quite well right now...hired a PROVEN hc
That's why they ditched Petrino without blinking. They knew they could land a good coach. UK shot themselves in the foot.
Petrino was not fired at AR because of his dalliance with a former volleyball player; he was fired for the manner in which he hired her which was in violation of AR human resource policies.
Sandy Bell is probably the best known NCAA compliance officer in the land. She is probably the 4th "best known" person in UK athletics (behind the AD, the basketball coach and the football coach). But she has no "say" in the hiring or firing of coaches. She may be asked for an "opinion" based on her NCAA regulation expertise but the decision rests with the AD.
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Cal hasn't had any issues , collateral damage but he wasn't the source . No coach can control if a player takes money , Duke nor K suffered a single thing for Lance Thomas . So how can we say it falls on the coach when the rules are not applied evenly , Cal did nothing wrong .
They certainly didnt have to fire him... look at the basketball coaches who kept their jobs at least so far.. Roy Williams, Jim Boeheim , Rick Pitino.........
The thread title is misleading! You do not have to be an expert coach to answer this. You could answer this and have never seen a football game. Why did you ask for coaching experts. You can answer this and not know the difference between a will, sam or mike linebacker. Well that was ot
Again, Cal has never had NCAA sanctions. What the NCAA did with Rose was a disgrace. Camby got greedy on his own. I believe an NCAA investigator even referred to Cal as a victim, which is correct. The actions of others harmed him without he himself doing anything wrong.
From all I gathered from all of that, he wasn't fired for is fling with the young girl. As an single older guy if she had came on to me as reported the way she did to him I would have been popping those little blue pills. But he was married and not the same, but still, in my opinion, that was between him, his wife and family and none of my business. From my understanding he was fired for breaking policy when hiring her by going around Arkansas policy of job listings. She isn't the first person to be hired because of favortism and won't be the last. But all of that adds up to serious character flaws, he committed adultery, he broke school policy, he lied to his supervisors.
I hate being put in position of defending Bobby Petrino, but I think he was played by an attractive young lady who knew what she wanted and knew exactly how to go about getting it. The only thing she hadn't planned on was whatever happened on that road the day of the motorcycle ride, did they wreck or did her fiance stop and beat the crap out of him. I have to admit its fun to think the fiance got him, but I think he looked a little too good for that, looked like some road rash to me.
I am a former athlete, not a coaching expert. Unlike a lot of angry people on this chat board, I do not consider myself a surrogate athletics director. I can only say what I see. People who wanted Petrino don't care about the school or its rep, they just want to wake up from their stupors on Sunday morning with less of a headache. They want a fast fix. But football isn't a simple game. Because Petrino won somewhere else under different circumstances, they think he would do the same at Kentucky. I think Petrino or Leach would be a disaster at Kentucky. If it was that simple, every school would do it that all. And if that approach worked, Curry would still be our coach. If we invest mega money in a big time coach with scandal in his past, Kentucky will probably end up on the hook for $20-30 million when the guy gets into trouble the next time. Or if he succeeds, he will leap at the 1st big job that opens up, then tweet his thanks to us. When I look for success at SEC programs that rose up from the bottom, I think of Dan Mullen, Jamie Franklin, Hugh Freeze. Mullen and Franklin had never been HCs before. Stoops was that kind of a hire, but Stoops made a mistake right off the bat by bringing Eliot and he has never gotten his staff straightened out. However, facilities have been modernized and most of the pieces are now in place for sustained success.
No doubt, but there was enough smoke (not to mention an active NCAA investigation involving Calipari's Memphis program in 2009 at the time if his UK hire) that UK (Bell) got involved and basically got the NCAA to sign off on the Calipari hire. Just saying no similar situation with Petrino ...
"We quickly zeroed in on coach, and frankly he zeroed in on us as well. We then started our due diligence, more calls and background checks. Sandy Bell and the compliance folks talked with the NCAA and checked records and facts. David Price, other people at the high level with the NCAA, assured us how much they enjoyed working with John in that process."
http://www.ukathletics.com/news/sports_m-baskbl_spec-rel_040109aab_html
You know what they say about there is no such thing as a dumb question. This is proof that isn't true.
On the hook for $12 million for a coach that doesn't win. I would take my chances at $20 million on a guy that wins everywhere.
It would of been a trade off of two weeks of bad press for multiple winning seasons. I would take that deal. This has been a disaster up until this point and the contraxt extension should of been enough to fire MB.
Bobby Petrino wasn't hired at UK for one reason, liability issues....
Bobby Petrino violated laws by turning away qualified candidates for a job that he gave to his girlfriend. The people that got passed over for jobs could have easily sued Arkansas and won the case after all that came to light. If UK hired him and anything similar happened then UK would have been liable and had no arguement to stand on because they hired a head coach with a known history of such things.
Louisville was willing to take on that liability, UK wasn't, that wasn't Mitch's call.... Then again UofL has a lot of other corruption in the administration of the school that UK doesn't have either... So its fitting for them.
Bobby Petrino violated laws by turning away qualified candidates for a job that he gave to his girlfriend. The people that got passed over for jobs could have easily sued Arkansas and won the case after all that came to light. If UK hired him and anything similar happened then UK would have been liable and had no arguement to stand on because they hired a head coach with a known history of such things.
Louisville was willing to take on that liability, UK wasn't, that wasn't Mitch's call.... Then again UofL has a lot of other corruption in the administration of the school that UK doesn't have either... So its fitting for them.
So you would take your chances with $20 million? LOL! It's always easy to spend other people's money when you aren't accountable for the consequences. That's why our government is $20 trillion in debt. Thankfully, people in the university administration who are accountable for the consequences don't make their most important decisions on a chat website. You are 1 of the people discussed in my earlier comment who believe in quick, expensive fixes. Generally, college football doesn't work that way. I won't make excuses for Stoops' mistakes, but at least we have modern football facilities now. What you want to do would take Kentucky back to 1996, when Bill Curry's failure left Kentucky on the hook for big money and forced Newton to go cheap with the Mumme hire, leading directly to our last NCAA sanctions. People who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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I think you and others drastically overstate that. He violated Arkansas policy by failing to disclose the personal relationship when he hired his mistress. And other qualified people were passed over. And then he lied about it after the fact as well (in his ridiculous press conference). He deserved to be fired. But, none of that equals employment law "liability", i.e. violation of employment laws.