Questions - offense

inWV

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1. Does anyone know anything about Logan Smothers. Really highly rated dual threat guy, but how does he look after a season in Lincoln.
2. Is Chris Hickman out of the mix at WR/TE. He would be a big target. What gives?
3. Who is the backup to Cam at Center? Does one of the top guards take practice reps, or will there be a true backup Center?
 

huskerbaseball13

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1. Does anyone know anything about Logan Smothers. Really highly rated dual threat guy, but how does he look after a season in Lincoln.
2. Is Chris Hickman out of the mix at WR/TE. He would be a big target. What gives?
3. Who is the backup to Cam at Center? Does one of the top guards take practice reps, or will there be a true backup Center?

Smothers is another QB that’s going to really struggle in the passing game. Fast as hell but will be broken in two with how Frost is enamored with the QB run game. Plus, he has to deal with Frost and Verduzco which will be tough to overcome.

Hickman couldn’t beat out some very marginal talent this year so probably not much hope for him. Unless he was injured it took Frost 7 games to get him on the field for a few plays.
 

steinek11

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1. Does anyone know anything about Logan Smothers. Really highly rated dual threat guy, but how does he look after a season in Lincoln.
2. Is Chris Hickman out of the mix at WR/TE. He would be a big target. What gives?
3. Who is the backup to Cam at Center? Does one of the top guards take practice reps, or will there be a true backup Center?
Word on Hickman is that he's a tweener. Not big enough to be an effective TE, but slowish for a WR.

I believe Piper is option 2 at center

Honestly have heard zero about Smothers. Supposedly fast. I hope he can rip it. He did need to add 15 to 20 pounds of good weight. I wonder how he's making gains there.
 

huskerbaseball13

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This is based on what? Creative imagination? Qualify that statement.

Based on reports from those that have been able to attend some practices. He will be no different than Mccaffrey. Athlete first which is what Frost and Verduzco want but will continue to be a disaster. Frost better hope Martinez does not go down, and that’s saying a lot considering he has been mediocre at best.
 

Huskerz99

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This is based on what? Creative imagination? Qualify that statement.
Watch his hudl film. Better passer than Luke but I don’t seen him passing Martinez this year. Has some good runs but right now he is still undersized to take those hits. Needs to add 20 pounds of muscle still. He is more accurate than Luke.
 

inWV

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Saw some highlights on YouTube. He had some nice tosses. But yea, probably pretty green going up against B1G defenses.
 

CatColumbia

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In regards to quarterback, Frost said tonight that he’d like to give the guys that we have a chance and if needed he’ll look to add a guy in the spring. So it’s not likely that we’ll bring in a transfer in the coming weeks.

 

WHCSC

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In regards to quarterback, Frost said tonight that he’d like to give the guys that we have a chance and if needed he’ll look to add a guy in the spring. So it’s not likely that we’ll bring in a transfer in the coming weeks.


Man, Frost looks old in that picture
 

oldjar07

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1. Does anyone know anything about Logan Smothers. Really highly rated dual threat guy, but how does he look after a season in Lincoln.
2. Is Chris Hickman out of the mix at WR/TE. He would be a big target. What gives?
3. Who is the backup to Cam at Center? Does one of the top guards take practice reps, or will there be a true backup Center?
Hickman is a tweener to put it nicely, and he's never going to play meaningful snaps.
 

NikkiSixx_rivals269993

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People are going to like Smothers ability to run. I think he's a better runner than AM and LM. He's going to amaze some people in that dept.

I've seen some passes that scared me.

I'm going to guess downfield passing is going to be a weakness, but short passing game might be serviceable.
 

c3o

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If you run the right offense, you don’t have to be an amazing passer. I really don’t think Frost has meshed the passing game and the running game together.

I don’t see our runs setting up passes. There’s no rhythm to the offense.

I honestly thought Luke could have been a great QB here with a system better suited to what we can do. Our passing plays are boring and the WR sets we use are confusing, to say the least.

Here’s to hoping 2021 we see an offense get it together. It’s very sloppy and compounded by a center who can’t snap the ball.
 

phoenix4nu

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People are going to like Smothers ability to run. I think he's a better runner than AM and LM. He's going to amaze some people in that dept.

I've seen some passes that scared me.

I'm going to guess downfield passing is going to be a weakness, but short passing game might be serviceable.
Another Taylor Martinez?
 

inWV

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If you run the right offense, you don’t have to be an amazing passer. I really don’t think Frost has meshed the passing game and the running game together.

I don’t see our runs setting up passes. There’s no rhythm to the offense.

I honestly thought Luke could have been a great QB here with a system better suited to what we can do. Our passing plays are boring and the WR sets we use are confusing, to say the least.

Here’s to hoping 2021 we see an offense get it together. It’s very sloppy and compounded by a center who can’t snap the ball.
I don't think Frost gave the defenses of the B1G the kind of respect they were due when he made his "they will have to adjust to us" remarks. Plays to routinely went for big yards at UCF would get strung out at the line of scrimmage against quite a few B1G clubs. His offense isn't set up to use the run to set up the passing game. McAffrey leading a run first offense could have worked, but only with a healthy stable of backs that could get the tough yards. Luke would also have needed to improve his passing acumen.
 

Ctlbyr

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I’m sure true freshman not going to play but I have watched the kid from G.I. He can really rip it
 

NorthwoodHusker

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I don't think Frost gave the defenses of the B1G the kind of respect they were due when he made his "they will have to adjust to us" remarks. Plays to routinely went for big yards at UCF would get strung out at the line of scrimmage against quite a few B1G clubs. His offense isn't set up to use the run to set up the passing game. McAffrey leading a run first offense could have worked, but only with a healthy stable of backs that could get the tough yards. Luke would also have needed to improve his passing acumen.
I would add the preceding word hopefully to SF statement about Big defenses.

Also, whats happened since no Stan? He set the all time season record, a respectable 14 yds a catch.
Since Stan, there hasnt been a guy over 5'9" to throw the ball to thats capable of catching 50-70 catches.
The offense is being set up to run to set up the pass, Stepps a guy, Scotts a guy, Ervins a guy, though Scotts a little shorter, theyre all bangers.

Say what you will,still to early,as we saw one game last year, when Mills was healthy.
 

c3o

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I don't think Frost gave the defenses of the B1G the kind of respect they were due when he made his "they will have to adjust to us" remarks. Plays to routinely went for big yards at UCF would get strung out at the line of scrimmage against quite a few B1G clubs. His offense isn't set up to use the run to set up the passing game. McAffrey leading a run first offense could have worked, but only with a healthy stable of backs that could get the tough yards. Luke would also have needed to improve his passing acumen.

square peg, round hole.

I’m shocked he hasn’t tried to revise his offense to the skill set of the team. If he’s trying to run the same offense he had at UCF with the guys he put on to the field, he’s deemed to fail. Which we have.

We have a decent running game. Bolster that with more creative runs, and timely passing plays and I think we can do enough to win more than lose.

However I’m not even a good arm chair coach and Scott has forgot more than I know.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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square peg, round hole.

I’m shocked he hasn’t tried to revise his offense to the skill set of the team. If he’s trying to run the same offense he had at UCF with the guys he put on to the field, he’s deemed to fail. Which we have.

We have a decent running game. Bolster that with more creative runs, and timely passing plays and I think we can do enough to win more than lose.

However I’m not even a good arm chair coach and Scott has forgot more than I know.
What did SF say about Manning?
What wrs are they now recruiting?
RBs?
Linemen both sides?

We has a few guys like that when he got here, Stan,Ziggy, a O lineman or two, the twins.

Bodies have gotten bigger throughout
 

c3o

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What did SF say about Manning?
What wrs are they now recruiting?
RBs?
Linemen both sides?

We has a few guys like that when he got here, Stan,Ziggy, a O lineman or two, the twins.

Bodies have gotten bigger throughout

Youre suggesting we are transitioning into power run?
If so, fantastic

I don’t pay much attention to recruiting anymore. Just cuss at my tv on saturdays in the fall
 

Reditus

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1. Does anyone know anything about Logan Smothers. Really highly rated dual threat guy, but how does he look after a season in Lincoln.
2. Is Chris Hickman out of the mix at WR/TE. He would be a big target. What gives?
3. Who is the backup to Cam at Center? Does one of the top guards take practice reps, or will there be a true backup Center?

I don't know anything but I'll throw some mud at the wall.

1) No idea. I think spring ball will give us an idea. I like what Frost says on this especially since the Jucos&FCS are having spring sessions.
2) Hickman is used in the slot or z spot in a rotational situation often on running downs. He potentially gives you a guy who can block or be a big target on short routes. I think he's been passed up by some guys.
3) IMO think Hixon and Sichterman are the top 2 guys to play backup center. They have both been in this offense awhile and could handle playing guard or center as needed. I think Hixon will also get a shot at starting guard but I like Nouili for that. I like Hixon to be the top backup.

I agree with the thoughts about leaning on the run to set up the pass. I am not a big fan of "we have to have balance" to keep them guessing. I like having a run identity and using the other phase as counter. I like running plays to set up the pass plays.
 
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NorthwoodHusker

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I hear, no links, nothing inside, I hear LS has potential, not an NFL arm, but good, and accurate, and of course, hes fast.
Does that make him a playmaker in this offense,provided its a full offense, with actual running attack plus spreading the ball out as you spread the field, a very good chance of being a playmaker.

Thats what Ive heard.
 

WHCSC

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There was someone on here who has watched Smothers a lot and says he's a very good passer so I think we'll have to wait and see.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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There was someone on here who has watched Smothers a lot and says he's a very good passer so I think we'll have to wait and see.
Just watch his hudl, but watch how far some of his passes are, but note, hes stopped and well planted on most, but accurate down field, so it appears might be pretty good in the pocket, and can scrambleand throw on the run, which requires bigger windows.
He needs work and to get practice and up to game speed.
 

Headcard

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I would add the preceding word hopefully to SF statement about Big defenses.

Also, whats happened since no Stan? He set the all time season record, a respectable 14 yds a catch.
Since Stan, there hasnt been a guy over 5'9" to throw the ball to thats capable of catching 50-70 catches.
The offense is being set up to run to set up the pass, Stepps a guy, Scotts a guy, Ervins a guy, though Scotts a little shorter, theyre all bangers.

Say what you will,still to early,as we saw one game last year, when Mills was healthy.

It is absolutely crazy how our own fanbase has taken that statement completely out of context.
 

1ManBearPig

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1. Does anyone know anything about Logan Smothers. Really highly rated dual threat guy, but how does he look after a season in Lincoln.
2. Is Chris Hickman out of the mix at WR/TE. He would be a big target. What gives?
3. Who is the backup to Cam at Center? Does one of the top guards take practice reps, or will there be a true backup Center?
I think center should be a spot we recruit this next time around. There's not a guy on the roster that fits that role very well at this time, and i dont think cam is ready to mentor a young guy yet
 

steinek11

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Youre suggesting we are transitioning into power run?
If so, fantastic

I don’t pay much attention to recruiting anymore. Just cuss at my tv on saturdays in the fall
I wish I had figured that out a long time ago. There is no greater waste of time than following recruiting. I don't want to even hear of a kid until I see him doing good things on Saturday afternoon. My apologies to Rivals. I recognize who butters their bread.
 

poundth3rock

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I don't think Frost gave the defenses of the B1G the kind of respect they were due when he made his "they will have to adjust to us" remarks. Plays to routinely went for big yards at UCF would get strung out at the line of scrimmage against quite a few B1G clubs. His offense isn't set up to use the run to set up the passing game. McAffrey leading a run first offense could have worked, but only with a healthy stable of backs that could get the tough yards. Luke would also have needed to improve his passing acumen.

1. I don't think it had anything to do with Frost lacking respect. Its primarily talent, in my opinion, along with competing against some very physical and sound Big Ten defenses and generally being overmatched at the LOS post 2018. In 2018 the left side with So. Jaimes (5.7) Foster (5.8) and Sr. Farmer (5.9 top 100) more than held than held there own and results followed riding Martinez, Morgan, Spielman and Zig.

There was a massive drop off in game ready O-line and WR talent in 2018 and that line quite simply got its *** handed to them more often then not, even against teams like South Alabama and you cannot coach around that. Slowly but surely (despite attrition) we have accumulated nearly double the number of 5.7 or better players and double the top 100 players who will be key contributors on the 2021 offense compared to 2018. I believe this will be extremely evident in 2021 as the offensive line starts holding there own and winning matchups even against the more physical big ten defenses. We are going to have an offense that moves the ball up and down the field effectively just like Martinez did in 2018. Points and wins will be dictated by whether someone develops into a stud at WR, turnover margin, how much the stupid penalties get cleaned up and special teams.

2. Hickmann is a guy that is 6'6" and you cannot coach that height and frame but is absolutely not strong enough for TE and not effective enough to get open on the edge at this point. He may have a small amount of utility in 2021 with his knowledge of play book. Could seem him effectively blocking on screens and in run game and catching a couple of pases. If he can gain 30 lbs and works to develop elite route running he could help the team by his Jr year. If he isn't working towards those things, I would guess the scholarship frees up.

In the meantime, if we are looking at guys that will help the team in that role now, I would think Jr. Allen has developed really nicely as a big and fairly athletic target for Martinez in middle and Fidone is the freaking poster child for what you are looking for or the exact opposite of a tweener. This simply isn't being talked about enough. I know we are all a little gun shy about recruits panning out but Fidone is absolutely perfect for this offense and we are so fortunate that he happened to be in the 500 mile radius and chose us. I won't predict anything because recruiting is such a crapshoot, but Fidone is the type of recruit that could be a game changer in this offense. As effective as the 2018 team was on offense, it simply did not have the elite athlete like Fidone, Betts or Manning. Doesn't mean those guys will meet or exceed Morgan/Spielman but it certainly gives you a chance


3. This offense requires a good decision maker and accurate passer to be effective, particularly to use the WR talent accumulated as that will likely be a strength for the tam. For Luke it was the combination of accuracy and significantly below average college arm strength that limited the likely hood that he was going to be effective in the future for this team in that capacity and the reason he cannot beat out talented but mistake prone Martinez

I do believe the o-line will develop enough in 2021 that you could begin winning games with a player like Luke and particularly a play like Smothers if he is accurate and you adjust the play calling like some have noted in other posts. I am hopeful Martinez stays healthy, has some success and we don't have to really find out for two years. I also agree with other posters who have said if there $5M a year job and legacy was dependent on QB, they would have brought in more guys and you would never only take 1 developmental QB in a class like we have done twice. Probably hubris on staffs part as noted by another poster.

I do think it will be very obvious in the spring game if Smothers simply doesn't have the arm strength and accuracy to play at this level. I assume they will go and try to find another body in the portal but at that point the staff has kind of made there bed, so to speak and better hope Martinez is effective and doesn't get hurt