Bingo. Archie gets it.
Our former coach's attrition problem was his lack of being a quality coach. His inability to teach and understand his players led directly to the attrition in our program.
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Bingo. Archie gets it.
Our former coach's attrition problem was his lack of being a quality coach. His inability to teach and understand his players led directly to the attrition in our program.
I've anyways has a hard time with Gibberish. 'Was pretty good with Spanish, but Gibberish always posed some difficulty.
Just so we don't have to go back and forth, how about we both agree that Riley still makes us both a little nervous with some of his gameday coaching choices, and we are unsure of how those concerns will be addressed in '16? And that we agree that we are both encouraged by recruiting, but the hay isn't in the barn yet. Well, maybe just I feel that way about recruiting. I'm encouraged, but still want to see that magic number of 10 4+ star recruits in the fray in early Feb.
No matter how you slice it, Riley hired Hughes, and it concerns me that the only guy he had to hire after being in college and pro football for decades was this guy. It was a mistake, but he quickly righted the ship. But it still bothers me that he was hired in the first place with as much time as Riley has had to develop relationships with many coaches, and the hire most certainly cost us a lot of the experience that we expected back at the DT position in '16.
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So...Riley's inability to keep players in the program was the fault of a coach from outside the program? OK, gotcha. And here I was thinking that building an excellent coaching staff, that taught excellent technique, that would lead to success on many levels, would keep players in the program.
Now you know why I mentioned that you don't always make the most convincing argument.
Quit being so negative!!!!
Hey, I've always been neutral on topics until something sways me one way or the other. More than likely our players will move up rather than down, but as we all know, when players rise in the rankings, it means other players have to drop.
I'll be happy with 20ish or better, without constraints (position in conference/division). A top 10-15 would be great. If we don't finish top 20ish in recruiting (21st is okay with me or maybe 22nd) and have a bad year win-wise, I think I'll go back to lurking rather than posting.
Being in the "discussion" is different than being the one picked (i.e. 1 of 5 schools listed as favorites). All things being equal (no lectures please, I know the world isn't equal), you have to be in the "discussion" with quite a lot of players in order for a handful of the many to pick you as the one, simple probability.
Hopefully we land more than our fair share of blue-chippers this year.
Sure he did. He appears to be a very good hire. He also hired Hank Hughes, who ran off 3 of our returning DTs. I expect a guy that is 62, with over 40 years of college coaching experience, to know coaches well enough to hire John Parella BEFORE making a monemental mistake with a guy like Hank Hughes. It's my understanding that Banker knew Hughes and recommended him to Riley, which creates further concern about Banker too. This is why other people still have concerns about Riley in general, and I'm right there with them.
Most of the players have stayed and have shown a growing maturity. That is a testament to coach Riley.
Misunderstood 'only'. I thot you were saying Riley only had to hire Hughes, the rest came with him from Oregon State.
You meant in the vast pool that is coaching where he could hire anybody, this was the only guy for him.
Lot's of reasons why kids stay or go (schemes, transfer eligablility, depth chart, girlfriends, coaching, school, troubles, etc.)
Hilariously ironic thread that is hard to not read and think "Oh, this $@%& again". OP should've just said they were still very happy about the current recruiting and leave it at that. No need to proclaim it's the best class in 20 years (it's not even 1/2 done right now...) or any other unnecessary hyperbole of slandering fans that may have different opinions on different program topics...
I have criticized Riley and applauded him to (same with all coaches since I've been on this board). People see what people want to see when it comes to anonymous message boards. I know what I see, people who are constantly unfair in how they post and also those that make blind assumptions they label others with.
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Hilariously ironic thread that is hard to not read and think "Oh, this $@%& again". OP should've just said they were still very happy about the current recruiting and leave it at that. No need to proclaim it's the best class in 20 years (it's not even 1/2 done right now...) or any other unnecessary hyperbole of slandering fans that may have different opinions on different program topics...
I have criticized Riley and applauded him to (same with all coaches since I've been on this board). People see what people want to see when it comes to anonymous message boards. I know what I see, people who are constantly unfair in how they post and also those that make blind assumptions they label others with.
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To be clear, my OP was largely directed at fringe fans on this board who have attacked Riley from go. Fans that insisted Bo shouldn't have been fired, Eichorst was a terrible AD, Riley was a bad hire who couldn't recruit, etc.
Lots of positive around the program right now. Lots.
There is no person I want to succeed more than coach Riley. Is there a coach on the face of the earth that is easier to root for than Mike Riley?? None that I know of. He's follicly-challenged Tom Osborne, with a shorter inseam. Those two could sit down to lunch and never be heard by anyone in the entire restaurant, but still fix a lot of problems.
But we all saw enough things happen last year to make us cautiously optimistic. Some of the play calls just left us scratching our heads. I think we're all hopeful that most of those things will get cleaned up because they will know their personnel much better this year.
Agreed. As someone else mentioned, I'm more concerned with some of time-management and play-calling issues from last year than I am recruiting. I think they have some nice momentum going on the recruiting front. Just gotta keep it going. I know recruiting to Nebraska isn't easy. It has to continue year round to bear fruit every year. I think with all the support staff in place, they are going about it the right way. That was something that was sorely missing with Bo and Co.
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There it is. The message board authority (that complains about said board) has posted and informed everyone what to do.
Is this the part of the post where I tell said poster what HE should have posted?
Lol. The circle of life.
I'm more than willing to admit I was one of the more vocal of the haters. Riley and crew have surprised me immensely as of late. I only currently temper my expectations slightly because we haven't yet been privy to seeing the results on the field.
Count me in as one who currently seems like my criticism was unjustified. And for my love of Nebraska and Nebraska Football, I hope I continue to feel that way.
But it's also June, so I'm expecting a MNC come next season.:Cool:
Yes, I'm quite certain Hank Hughes stood in the doorway of the locker room and wouldn't allow those 3 DTs entry into any of the facilities. I'll bet he also placed plane tickets to their hometown in each of their lockers each week.
C'mon man, by saying he ran them off, I mean that his inept abilities to coach them was the reason for them leaving. I shouldn't have to explain what I meant, should I?
I can't believe what I'm hearing. Kaz poisoned the well beyond repair. All the player's were going to leave and their position coach had to go too. There had to be a fresh start if last year was truly going to be in the rearview mirror. Hughes might not be the best coach but this is why it happened.
Yeah, I'm saying that you would like to think that a guy with 40+ years of college+ coaching experience would be able to identify someone better than Hank Hughes as his first choice. Even hiring Parella is probably a bit of a risk too, but it seems to be working out well so far.
OK, believe what you want. Now...about that 'small' issue of Riley firing Hughes post-haste after the season was over...
I will agree with how well Riley and the Asst Coaches are recruiting , that being said,' Coaching' these young men is a completely different story...just staying
Riley had to let him go. God only knows what Kaz was saying to "his players" about Hughes and even Banker. And all that talk probably trickled down to the younger kids. Hughes had to go.
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Hughes had to go, but for a different reason than you are stating. He wasn't a strong enough personality to overcome Kaz's presence in the players he was coaching. He also obviously wasn't a strong recruiter either. He just didn't connect with his players the way Parella has.
If Parella would have been hired last year instead of Hughes, I'll bet anything that Valentine would still be here, and possibly McMullen and Williams too.
You're not going to find too many that insisted Bo shouldn't be fired, In fact the fan base felt Bo wasn't going to ever do more in Lincoln then he already had.
As for Eichorst the verdict is still out and he hasn't been here long enough or made enough hires yet to find out how could of a AD he will be for us....
But agreed lot of positive stuff is surrounding the program currently.
You might not find a lot of people who insisted Bo shouldn't be fired on message boards, but we are a different demographic. We live and breath it, some of us daily. I bet there are a lot of rank and file people who discuss Nebraska sports around the watercooler or coffee shop who feel a fiery coach got a raw deal after winning nine games every year. I had an elderly lady on speed dial in my phone who I have purchased tickets from a couple times several years ago, she is a huge fan. About this time last year I accidentally hit her number, so since I had her on the line, we chatted a bit. When it came to Bo, I got an angry, high-volume earful about how he was "railroaded". She said firing him like that after the Iowa game was not "the Nebraska way". I was shocked anyone felt that way, but make no mistake, they are out there.
There are definitely low information fans out there that didn't hear the awful (and true) stories about the men of the Pelini family. After hearing some of those stories, I'd like to hear about "the Nebraska way".
So not only are you condoning Kaz's actions but you're going to blame Hughes for it???
Again... Ho Lee ***!
You do realize what Kaz did was highly unethical then he took it to a whole different level by corrupting and influencing another coach's players???
Now to the second point, Parrella...
John Parrella was hired in late February. More then enough time for players that actually wanted to stay at Nebraska could of. They didn't because no one on this staff could of ever gotten through to them. I would say Mike probably pulled Hughes back in recruiting because he was going to make a change. Why give the bomb throws any ammunition.
Eichorst is a bad AD his decision making is flawed - Bo should have been fired and Riley was not my choice for coach not because he could not recruit but mainly that I saw him bringing Banker who I think sucks as a DC
I am happy we are recruiting well and thats great but it means nothing unless the product on the field and from the sidelines gets much better. We need help on defensive side and losing three DT's is a huge blow to the defense. It is vital they recruit well on the Dline this year. Everyone complained about a walk on playing DE and that this was a vital position in a Banker defense ( Banker stated this himself) yet we I see no DE as of yet no Juco DE's as of yet hopefully this changes
I actually think there are lots of people that didn't want Bo fired and continue to hold that grudge. Whole message boards, social media outlets, etc. But we don't really need to get into that - it is what it is.
Firstly, you're providing zero evidence that SE is a bad AD. Financially the AD is in fantastic shape under his guidance and an independent report that was lobbied for by a group of people who want to fire him just came back extremely positive. So right now he is looking just fine. Secondly, it's completely ridiculous to state that Riley was a bad hire exclusively because of Banker. That's an extremely narrow-minded evaluation of a major change.
We have to see how DL recruiting looks in February; however, if you pay close attention to recruiting you'd see that the staff is absolutely making this a priority and working very hard to make it happen.
And duh on winning games. Nobody is suggesting otherwise.
RR. Hughes had an extremely hard time relating to players. Kaz may of had a small part in that; however, the perception of Hughes would not have changed much if Kaz was absent from the picture. It was absolutely the right decision to move on from Hughes, and, so far JP looks like a solid edition to the staff.