It's scary people like you exist. You are everything wrong with this country and this world.
quite a penalty for an unpaid ticket
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heroin withdrawal is miserable, but it's tough to die from it.
benzo withdrawal? lethal. the people who had custody of this guy knew that he had been on Xanax for several months.
The medical staff in this case were not jail employees but a contracted medical company approved by the state. How are you going to hold minimum wage jail staff with no medical training responsible for the medical decisions made by a company? You cant. case dismissed.
It would be easy for me to take the stance that it was this guys fault. He's the one that got hooked on the drugs, he's the one that didn't go to court for his traffic ticket. But in this situation I don't want to act the dumbass. Once he is incarcerated, everything that happens to him is part of his sentence. In this country we rarely kill people who have willfully killed other people. When we do kill them, we make sure and do it as humanely as possible.
This man was tortured for several weeks until he finally succumbed.
Wayne, what you don't understand, because you're an idiot, is the fact he was responsible for his actions prior to jail, they were responsible after he was jailed.
This man was tortured for several weeks until he finally succumbed.
Wayne, what you don't understand, because you're an idiot, is the fact he was responsible for his actions prior to jail, they were responsible after he was jailed.
Respondent superior, doggy. And if it was an actual private company that ran things, even better.
WayneDougan has to be trolling. Sad Story and heroin addicts need treatment, not to be incarcerated. These type people would rather spend tax money on locking up non-violent offenders than provide healthcare to people who need it.
Except vicarious liability doesnt apply because the private company isnt a subordinate of the jail but operate independently under state approved guidelines.
So because a Physician on the street thought it most helpful to treat a heroin addiction with xanax,klonopin and oxys (almost equally abusive narcotics) it is the jails responsibility to keep giving him those controlled narcotics even in a secured correctional facility?
YES. Safer and less expensive to give him the pills than deal with the damage of IV drug abuse.
IN JAIL?!!!! Do you know what that would open up? I once seen an inmate stabbed 13 times over a chapstick cap quantity(about a teaspoon) of weed! You cant just freely start handing out narcotics to every dope fiend incarcerated. For the love of God it would be a bloodbath! Remember this is still a correctional facility not a rehab center.
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what were you in jail for? That's not county obviously or a minor traffic ticket where things like that happen.
"For the love of God" that's why they have medical detox units. You act as if this issue has never been encountered. Both benzos and opiates come in oral solutions that can't be stolen or smuggled. Benzos can also be administered IV by nurses via nurse-driven protocols according to how the withdrawal is evolving.
Do you honestly think this is the first time a criminal has been in custody while withdrawing? Hell, if those contractors had been doing their job, he would've been in a real hospital instead of a prison. We deal with that type of stuff all the time with people who have far worse records than traffic tickets.
It's possible, but I think we'd have to know more. It's pretty complex but I think you'd also still have a claim against the jail.
He's in law enforcement. I ask him what specially all the time and he won't answer.
Yea, but it's lower level. He doesn't really understand basic legal concepts. He knows what they are, but only in name. He's a bit uneducated, so I would think prison guard or maybe security guard. Possible police, but a retired sheriff at best.
I'll say this and leave it at that, because I don't really want to engage in a detailed legal analysis...if you were right and there is no recourse against the jail, and there were no recourse against the company, then you wouldn't see verdicts all across the country all the time for cases very very similar to this.
I promise you LEK, I make this world significantly better than every single heroin junkie in the United States.
Wayne Dougan:
- Works in U.S. Manufacturing
- Pays taxes
- Leads company's United Way program
- Family man
- Gets under anonymous message board posters' skin
Heroin Addict:
- Doesnt work
- Uses tax dollars
- Asks for handouts on street corner
- Pisses off family
- Doesn't cause LEK to freak out on Rivals
Yep, I see what you mean. I'm exactly what's wrong with this country and the world.
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here's the irony of your callousness, Wayne: had the guy just stuck to heroin instead of trying to get clean (Xanax and methadone are prescribed to help people get off heroin), he wouldn't have died. Again, heroin withdrawal doesn't kill you. The benzos prescribed to help you get off heroin can kill you, though.
Instead, he tries to sober up, ends up dying because of the negligence of those in charge of his custody, and you stand there and act as if he earned it. I hope you don't pray to a god who values things like redemption, because may he have mercy on your soul if this thread is any evidence of how you treat your fellow man.
I actually read the article this time. That's pretty messed up. Are the jail workers retarded or something? I shift about 50% of the blame on them and 50% on the junkie.
Wayne, you don't get under my skin. It's funny how stupid you are. But I was serious, you're a terrible person. What's even funnier is you think getting your company to contribute a few bucks to an organization you don't understand somehow makes you righteous and deflects what a terrible person you are. But grats on having a job though, as though that some how makes you a good person?
Solid bet though that you are an abuser to your wife and kids.
Solid bet though that you are an abuser to your wife and kids.
i think you undersold little Wayne a bit. It's not just a job, it's a job in U.S. manufacturing. *And* he pays the related taxes from said job.
See this is it, the jail doesn't get to change prescriptions. That's practicing medicine. And they don't just hand out a bottle of pills. I swear to god, I wonder if some folks here are really this dense.
OK DUM DUM, try to follow...
The jail and the contracted medical staff are NOT the same. They are two seperate entities.
The contracted medical staff DO NOT work for the jail
The contracted medical staff DO NOT answer to any of the jail staff
The jail has no medical personnel on staff, all medical personnel work for the contracted company.The jails are doing this these days to relieve themselves of medical responsibility and lawsuits. Additionally jail staff are told to let the contracted medical staff make all of the medical determinations.
AGAIN, THE JAIL AND CONTRACTED MEDICAL STAFF ARE NOT THE SAME
DO YOU UNDERSTAND SO FAR? IF SO, PROCEED...
The jails responsibility is security. They fulfilled the jails responsibility in the matter by placing the subject in a special cell equiped for 24 hr monitoring. Thats where it ends for them. They monitor and report to the contract medical staff or they might call for the contract medical staff in an emergency but thats where it ends for them.PERIOD!
Jail staff DO NOT make medical decisions
Jail staff DO NOT make medical assessments
Jail staff DO NOT have any say so in medical treatment courses INCLUDING prescriptions
STILL WITH ME? OK, HERE IS WHY YOUR POST IS ASININE. PAY ATTENTION...
"The jail dont get to change prescriptions". Keeping in mind what I said earlier about the jail and medical contract staff being different, IT IS NOT "the jail" that would change a prescription but the physician employed by the contracted medical company. Certainly one physician can change the prescription of another physician? Even in the case that they couldnt, that DOES NOT fall back on "the jail" but the contracted medical company. WHY?.....(wait for it)...BECAUSE THE JAIL DONT DO MEDICAL, THEY DO SECURITY. IT IS THE CONTRACTED MEDICAL STAFFS RESPONSIBILITY TO...AS YOU PUT IT, "PRACTICE MEDICINE".
In summary, I said in my earlier post that the contracted medical company would have some explaining to do, meaning they would have to explain their medical decisions and assesments in this case. Hopefully by now YOU AND THE REST OF THE FREEDOM FIGHTING HUG-A-THUGS that got your panties in a wad over this understand my OPINION on why "the jail" wouldnt be held responsible (remember what I said about the jail and contracted medical company being seperate).
Sincerely, VT/UKRondo aka Paul Blart mall cop with a c- average in night school
True but do those jails contract their medical to outside companies? Part of the reason jails are doing that is to cut down on their spending on medical lawsuits by passing responsibility to the medical company. I never said there were no recourses against the companies. There might even be recourses against the state for validating that company. I just think (just my opinion) that If the lawsuit was directed at anything other than the company, the brother in this case would have asked for more than a measly 75k in a wrongful death suit. When litigation falls against government entities (such as Freddie Gray in Baltimore) dont the families usually persue multi-million dollar suits?
Lek, you are changing the game. I never said I was a good person or compared my inherent goodness to that of a heroin junkie. I simply said that I make more contributions to society than a heroin junkie. And let's face it, dropping a nickel in the Salvation Army's Christmas bucket makes you a bigger contributor to society than one of those losers.
I don't know if they're that dense, I think people just completely don't give a crap. There are good, respectable people like themselves, and then there are losers who don't matter and whose fate is at least partially their own fault so who cares what happens to them. A worthwhile human being didn't suffer and die, we're just down one junkie prisoner loser.
Without taking the opportunity to review and counter the invective here, yes the jail, to the degree they, rather than the medical staff there, are in charge of monitoring prisoners ( as I am beyond certain is their duty) they have exposure on this guys death. Please return to your regularly scheduled programming.
He didnt die from lack of being monitored by the jail, they had him on 24/7 constant supervision. He died from the medical staffs decisions in assessment and treatment. The medical staff ARE responsible for monitoring the prisoners as they have to make medical evaluations every shift on every prisoner so even the prisoners health decline cant be blammed on the jail staff. Give it up.
Tell you what Holmes, we will review this case later and see where liability lay. I'll bet a crazy clown picture in my sig that the jail gets popped.
The family sues the jail. The jail sues the medical staff. The medical staff didn't have dude in custody. The jail provides medical staff for the protection of the prisoners because they are ultimately responsible for their welfare.
By hiring a state approved company to deal with the prisoners medical needs the Institution meets their medical responsibility.The family of prisoners almost always go after the lead physician in medical litigation cases whether they work for the state or private corporation. Last year when the KY inmate starved to death it wasnt the prison that come under fire it was the physician that worked for correct care solutions.. I dont know what else to tell you folks. Hard for me to believe that the state/county would hire a medical company under a multi-million dollar a year contract and still retain all medical liability for that companys decision making. Whatever...