Rattler update
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Amen brother. How did the thread about Rattler turn into a thread comparing Sellers and Klubnutz?
He's in camp and competing with 2 other guys. He could become the starter, we'll see.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-camp-stay-tuned-tyler-shough-spencer-rattler
You forgot to include Sellers' 16 carries for 166 yards and 2 touchdowns compared to Klubnik's 10 carries for 62 yards and 2 touchdowns.
I think you're going out of the way to criticize Klubnik here (and I'm the president of the clemson haters fan club).
Klubnik won the Pittsburgh game for Clemson with an impressive 50 yard touchdown run with a minute left. He took Clemson right down the field against the Carolina defense until his pass thrown a little behind the running back was intercepted. Remember that pick was at our 15 yard line.
Sellers against Clemson ended up making the game winning play with that incredible run, but he also threw a 4th quarter interception in the red zone trailing by a touchdown and fumbled away the first drive of the game.
Sellers had a chance to win the Illinois game, but his 4th down pass was poorly thrown and behind Joshua Simon.
"Cade Klubnik is overrated" being your takeaway from the Carolina-Clemson game is bizarre.
Well, both rushed for 2 tds so the stat that really matters is the same. I don't really put the same weight on rushing for the qb position as passing. I'm pretty sure the NFL scouts feel the same way.
Yeah that 100 yard difference was irrelevant and had no effect on the outcome of the game.
NFL scouts clearly care about rushing these days...look at all the top NFL quarterbacks right now. Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Hurts...all very mobile and can hurt you on the ground. The prototypical pocket passer is almost a thing of the past.
Those 100 yds really weren't significant in the grand scheme of things. Both teams total offense was within 12 yds of each other. Clemson had 116 more passing yards in the game so that offset the rushing yardage total. Neither team was burning up the scoreboard. It is interesting that in a game where the two teams combined for 850 total yards of offense, a total of 31 points were scored and the winning team scored 17.
NFL teams want a qb who CAN run when he needs to but they don't really want a qb whose running game is his strength and his passing ability is mediocre.
If we take those rushing yards away we lose the game.
Passing is obviously key for a QB, especially at the NFL level. The NFL also likes having mobile QBs who can threaten the defense with his legs in addition to his arm.
Are you trying to say Sellers isn't a good passer?
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I think everyone knows Sellers passing isn't his strength. I'm not saying he is "bad", but I don't think he has an NFL arm right now.
It's goes over watching him 2 years of games. Don't get me wrong. I don't think he is a bad QB. However, any talk of him being the best QB in the draft is trying to push or hype a guy just because you like him personally. It seems to be a guy like that every year. Mitch Trubisky, Will Levis, Mac Jones, etc. Yeah, they have good stats. They may have even won big on the collegiate level. However, do they really have the arm talent to be successful on the NFL level. Is there decision making the same when adversity hits? Those are things that sometimes get lost when you are just looking at stats.
Then why do the NFL scouts seem to rate Sellers in the same ballpark as Klubnik right now with only one year of game tape. That's telling me they project Sellers to be better. Appears that they are sort of seeing it like I do. They are just not coming out and saying it because they want to see more of him first.
What? What are you looking at? You can question his processing of the field. You can question that he holds on the ball too long. He is not seeing it and getting the ball out as he should all the time. However, he can definitely make all the throws. NFL arm. Shaking my head.
Agreed. Some are assuming he takes a step forward, some are waiting to see him take a step forward.
But I think we can all agree that he needs improvement before hes an NFL talent. There's more to qb'ing than just arm strength.
Weirdly enough, Sellers actually had really strong passing numbers in his first full season as starting quarterback. And that was with a subpar receiving group and poor pass protection.
I would say really good numbers for a first year, sophomore starter. Not really good numbers for a guy wanting to be a Top pick.
He needs to take a pretty good step for that.
GMs think like you all the time and get fired. They can't see raw talent that only needs reps. They only see what is right in front of them. It's the reason Patrick Mahomes went #10 in the draft. It's the reason Lamar Jackson went #32. Everyone would like a nice, fully developed, neat package, but a Joe Burrow type guy only comes around once every 5-10 years.
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So why are Sellers numbers not really good and Klubnik's numbers good when Klubnik played 2 1/2 more games, had 200 more passes and only had 1000 more yards. Remember, Klubnik has a Conference championship game in those numbers. Also, Sellers was hurt and out in the Second Half of the LSU and did not play the following week against a weak opponent. Further, Sellers had a completion percentage that was 2 percentage points higher and had a Yards Per Pass that was over a yard higher than Klubnik. You seem to like numbers. Those numbers tell me that he was pushing the ball downfield more and being more efficient in his opportunities. I am just hating Clemson and have my Garnet glasses on though.
First, I'd like to compliment you on replying to the correct poster this time. I didn't think this would be something that needed mentioning, but your recent posts proved otherwise. Especially when you replied to one of your own posts and started insulting yourself. That was great.
Second, I'd like to point out that you are, in fact, agreeing with me when you call his talent "raw". That has been my point all along.
Third, from your second post quoting me, you start whining about klubnik to me again. This leads me to believe that post was responding to the wrong poster. Again. You were going back and forth about klubnik with a different poster. I was agreeing with you repeatedly about klubnik.
Perhaps calm down a bit, stop being in such a rush to just argue, and pay attention to the name above a post, so you can reply to the correct person.
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Agree on your first point. On the second point, not so much. Compare Sellers to another QB mentioned in this thread, Anthony Richardson.
Across the board Sellers has superior numbers, yet Indianapolis drafted Richardson 4th overall. So far that pick has aged very poorly, but Sellers is clearly the type of talent NFL teams are going to like. He's readier now for the NFL than Richardson!
Would me joking about comparing sellers to a "failure" be received in the good nature its intended?
We can find guys with better numbers that failed, or similar numbers that succeeded (although I bet thats rare).
I will say that his arm is strong, nfl teams have taken duds with strong arms thinking they can coach them. But if I want to see him as an NFL qb, he needs to work on his weakness, his passing game.
We can all acknowledge that the NFL is using more and more mobile qb's, but they still need to be able to throw, and throw well.
Lol I would not be offended if you said he's a failure. I think you'd be wrong though.
Anyway, though he needs to be a better passer, his baseline is pretty darn good. Completing 65.6% of his passes with mediocre receivers and poor pass protection? That's not half bad at all. For comparison, Cam Ward completed 67%, Garrett Nussmeier 64%, and Cade Klubnik 63%.
Yeah, hes had a good start. But imo its just the start. If he equals those same numbers this year, he won't be drafted high. He needs to improve. Again, imho.
Perhaps, but those are really solid numbers, especially considering he only played 11.5 games instead of 13.
There's plenty of precedent for quarterbacks with worse collegiate stats who end up getting drafted high. Just depends on the GM of the right team liking a player!
Another comparison, here are Josh Allen's college numbers (not impressive at all):
Oh yeah, I was saying Richardson, not sellers as a failure. Just kidding around.
Josh Allen had that year before his last year though that was vastly better.
I dont remember, what happened in his last year? Did he play a partial year? He had a major drop off.
When you said Sellers I did not know that you were talking about Richardson. Sorry.
When you said Sellers I did not know that you were talking about Richardson. Sorry.
I was talking about the comparison of Sellers to Richardson (the failure). My bad for not being clear.
I choose to blame global warming for the misunderstanding.
Must have been injured, Idk. I don't watch Wyoming football lol.
Sellers' numbers are better, though, other than yards thrown for. That's a really bad completion percentage and ton of interceptions, all against significantly lesser competition than SEC football.
Apparently QBs recruited by Clemson have "NFL arms," while all of those recruited by us don't. They gush over his NFL arm I guess.
My approach is screw Clemson all day, all night, everyday, and twice on the weekends. Anything good for Clemson is bad for Carolina. I wish them nothing but the worst.