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If by some small chance you read this board Bobby, do us all a favor and resign. This school gave you a second chance at your career after the mistakes that you made. KARMA seems to have come and bit you in the ***. Please do all of us a favor and just retire after this season. Dont take our successful program down with your sinking ship.

Unless.....you go to 25 again and get testosterone injections and turn into your old self, then you can stay as long as you'd like.
 
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I like how casually some feel that another person will just walk away from $12 million in cold, hard cash. I mean it happens everyday... ;)

All thanks to your boy Tommy Jurich who gave him that contract extension when no other school would have even entertained the thought of hiring him. Tyra made a homerun hire with Mack and I have confidence he will do the same in football if we keep going down this path. It's just a shame he has to eat the bad contract negotiated by Tommy.
 

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All thanks to your boy Tommy Jurich who gave him that contract extension when no other school would have even entertained the thought of hiring him. Tyra made a homerun hire with Mack and I have confidence he will do the same in football if we keep going down this path. It's just a shame he has to eat the bad contract negotiated by Tommy.
100% of Brohm's contract is guaranteed. His buyout is $25 million. 100% of Mack's contract is guaranteed. His buyout is about $30 million.

Jimbo Fisher signed a $75 million contract after going .500 last year at a premier program. His buyout is--you guessed it--$75 million.

What were you saying?...
 

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100% of Brohm's contract is guaranteed. His buyout is $25 million. 100% of Mack's contract is guaranteed. His buyout is about $30 million.

Jimbo Fisher signed a $75 million contract after going .500 last year at a premier program. His buyout is--you guessed it--$75 million.

What were you saying?...

Those were guys other programs actually wanted. Ours was damaged goods finishing the year 7-5 at WKU.
 
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Those were guys other programs actually wanted. Ours was damaged goods finishing the year 7-5 at WKU.
The buyout is in a contract Petrino signed in 2016. IOW you're b!tching about old news.

But hey while you're at it, you can also try b!tching about how much money Denny Crum's been receiving. Fanboy knows every dime counts...
 

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100% of Brohm's contract is guaranteed. His buyout is $25 million. 100% of Mack's contract is guaranteed. His buyout is about $30 million.

Jimbo Fisher signed a $75 million contract after going .500 last year at a premier program. His buyout is--you guessed it--$75 million.

What were you saying?...

Zipp just smacked the black off that ***
 
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Yep....he's brilliant. He had a particularly brilliant response by stating the contract extension was signed in 2016 and therefore it is above reproach.
 
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All thanks to your boy Tommy Jurich who gave him that contract extension when no other school would have even entertained the thought of hiring him. Tyra made a homerun hire with Mack and I have confidence he will do the same in football if we keep going down this path. It's just a shame he has to eat the bad contract negotiated by Tommy.

The TJ anger is so miguided. 1) An AD backing his coach, his guy, that’s normal. Not uncommon. 2) TJ doing what he did sent a message- UofL is serious about football. A coach will be paid. That coach will be supported.

TBD with Tyra.
 

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100% of Brohm's contract is guaranteed. His buyout is $25 million. 100% of Mack's contract is guaranteed. His buyout is about $30 million.

Jimbo Fisher signed a $75 million contract after going .500 last year at a premier program. His buyout is--you guessed it--$75 million.

What were you saying?...
I think he was saying that the dude in your avatar screwed up, WKU was the only competition for him. That’s two bad football hires in less than 10 years for your dude.
 

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I think he was saying that the dude in your avatar screwed up, WKU was the only competition for him. That’s two bad football hires in less than 10 years for your dude.
Some of you guys are at risk driving while staring at your rear view mirror. The few who aren't are already in reverse...
 
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Zipp, as is customary when he gets on these rants, is failing to make a point. If I understand correctly (and who really could here?), Zipp’s thesis is that it was ok for TJ to sign ole Bobby to the big buyout because it occurred in 2016. News flash, there still wasn’t a long line of programs willing to snatch Bobby up at that time. It was unnecessary just like hiring Kragthorpe and retaining Pitino among other things he did.
 

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No one was touching Bobby period. And beyond that simple truth, There was no reason to renew his contract at that time. Jurich should have had all the leverage.
 
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Zipp, as is customary when he gets on these rants, is failing to make a point. If I understand correctly (and who really could here?), Zipp’s thesis is that it was ok for TJ to sign ole Bobby to the big buyout because it occurred in 2016. News flash, there still wasn’t a long line of programs willing to snatch Bobby up at that time. It was unnecessary just like hiring Kragthorpe and retaining Pitino among other things he did.
How do you know this? How many people were lined up to hire Tyra to a million-dollar AD contract?...
 

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How do you know this? How many people were lined up to hire Tyra to a million-dollar AD contract?...

What do those two things have to do with anything?

You don't have to take a hard line stance here. You don't have to defend everything Jurich did....

You can love Jurich as an AD and still acknowledge that Bobby's contract extension wasn't a smart move. Its not an either/or situation.

Petrino had no leverage at the time I think is the point that posters keep trying to make you understand. I get that you're saying "well its easy to say the extension wasn't smart now, 2 years later." But it wasn't smart at the time, I remember reading multiple outlets who wrote articles about how confused they were about it. Its not sour grape fans looking back on it 2 years later with 20/20 hindsight. It was an odd move at the time it occurred and its only being magnified now because of the current shape of the program.
 

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What do those two things have to do with anything?

You don't have to take a hard line stance here. You don't have to defend everything Jurich did....

You can love Jurich as an AD and still acknowledge that Bobby's contract extension wasn't a smart move. Its not an either/or situation.

Petrino had no leverage at the time I think is the point that posters keep trying to make you understand. I get that you're saying "well its easy to say the extension wasn't smart now, 2 years later." But it wasn't smart at the time, I remember reading multiple outlets who wrote articles about how confused they were about it. Its not sour grape fans looking back on it 2 years later with 20/20 hindsight. It was an odd move at the time it occurred and its only being magnified now because of the current shape of the program.
The two are very similar. What leverage did Fanboy have to get a million dollar AD contract? Was Bellarmine ringing his phone?

You like one guy and not the other. There's your difference...
 

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The two are very similar. What leverage did Fanboy have to get a million dollar AD contract? Was Bellarmine ringing his phone?

You like one guy and not the other. There's your difference...

So...

Did...You, of all people on this message board just say the crux of an argument was that I like one person more than another?

You?

The same guy who's been blindly defending Jurich for over a year after Tyra makes good hire after good hire?

You?

Who still complains even though UL athletics actually has a basketball coach, president and AD who are personable and that people actually like?

Zipp...come on. You've literally spent a year on here searching the boards for every opportunity to dump on Tyra and defend Jurich.

 

zipp_rivals

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I thought we were talking about giving buyouts to undeserving employees, not just offering them contracts. Which is it?
The arguments are hard to differentiate. You say one guy wasn't in demand so why give him Fort Knox? HOW you give him Fort Knox is irrelevant...
 
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So...

Did...You, of all people on this message board just say the crux of an argument was that I like one person more than another?

You?

The same guy who's been blindly defending Jurich for over a year after Tyra makes good hire after good hire?

You?

Who still complains even though UL athletics actually has a basketball coach, president and AD who are personable and that people actually like?

Zipp...come on. You've literally spent a year on here searching the boards for every opportunity to dump on Tyra and defend Jurich...
I never canonized Jurich a saint. I didn't have to--his record speaks for itself.

I'm just equally applying a standard you're trying to use. And I'm not using references like "personable" and "like" to base those opinions. If you want credibility, you'd do the same...
 
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Petrino had no leverage at the time I think is the point that posters keep trying to make you understand. I get that you're saying "well its easy to say the extension wasn't smart now, 2 years later." But it wasn't smart at the time, I remember reading multiple outlets who wrote articles about how confused they were about it. Its not sour grape fans looking back on it 2 years later with 20/20 hindsight. It was an odd move at the time it occurred and its only being magnified now because of the current shape of the program.
To be fair - that's what "outlets" do these days. They are not in the business of simply reporting the news - no clicks in that - so they pick a side and opine. Typically they choose the side that they think will get the most clicks.

I'd bet it wouldn't take that much effort to find outlets questioning the gumps hiring of Saban - or whether he was worth what they gave him.
 

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Jurich does have a record that speaks for itself. Hiring Krags and retaining Pitino unfortunately speak louder than his accomplishments.
 
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To be fair - that's what "outlets" do these days. They are not in the business of simply reporting the news - no clicks in that - so they pick a side and opine. Typically they choose the side that they think will get the most clicks.

I'd bet it wouldn't take that much effort to find outlets questioning the gumps hiring of Saban - or whether he was worth what they gave him.

Right I get it. I mean some hirings are turds that you can spot from a mile away and some surprise you. I never thought Brad Stevens would be the coach that he is in the NBA but you can look at hires like Texas and Charlie Strong and just know, "yeah thats a personality clash that isn't going to work out"

I'm probably not a good representation of the overall fan base because I didn't want Petrino to begin with and I've been saying for years that we were a Lamar Jackson signs with Florida away from this starting 3 years ago.

Thats irrelevant though....to be cliche...it is what it is. We're here regardless of how we got here now lets fix this situation and move onward and upward.

Lets go find a young, energetic, exciting coach that will revitalize the fan base and motivate kids to come to Louisville.
 

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Jurich does have a record that speaks for itself. Hiring Krags and retaining Pitino unfortunately speak louder than his accomplishments.
Just a puzzling take from someone who identifies as a UofL fan. Unless I'm missing something, you're saying that hiring kragthorpe and retaining pitino are more significant than the complete transformation of the athletic department, the facilities, the unparalleled success / heights achieved of the programs under his watch?

The invite to the ACC by itself is a far more impactful event for the university than those two coaching decisions.
 

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Jurich does have a record that speaks for itself. Hiring Krags and retaining Pitino unfortunately speak louder than his accomplishments.
Why don't you make that pro AND con list so we can frame the debate? Gonna be like shootin' fish in a barrel...
 
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The puzzling part is why we have so-called fans who choose to support the athletic director- a departed one at that - over the university. Jurich raised funds and elevated the university’s stature over a roughly 20-year period, but how many average athletic directors couldn’t or wouldn’t have done the same thing?

You and the Jurich fanboys lack the perspective to understand that the university and its athletic department were in a good, if not ideal, position to move forward in the late 90’s when Jurich got here. The basketball program was steeped in tradition, although struggling in the final years of a HOF coach, and the football program had proven it could also be successful at a high level despite the presence of terrible HC.

In fact, the new football stadium was already being built when Jurich got here and that was inarguably the most critical facilities upgrade in university history to date. Jurich came in and received heaps of praise for firing Cooper (what AD wouldn’t?) and coaxing Crum amicably out the door (what decent AD wouldn’t?). To borrow baseball terminology, I’m not sure Jurich’s WAR(wins above replacement) would justify the elevated status you and others grant him. In point of fact, it could easily be argued that his relative value was far below an average and acceptable contribution from an AD given the unprecedented and egregious pattern of public scandal that transpired willfully under his watch.

Jurich was about winning and that was to be commended, but the deification of ST Tomis as misguided as it is undeserved.
 
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The puzzling part is why we have so-called fans who choose to support the athletic director- a departed one at that - over the university. Jurich raised funds and elevated the university’s stature over a roughly 20-year period, but how many average athletic directors couldn’t or wouldn’t have done the same thing?

You and the Jurich fanboys lack the perspective to understand that the university and its athletic department were in a good, if not ideal, position to move forward in the late 90’s when Jurich got here. The basketball program was steeped in tradition, although struggling in the final years of a HOF coach, and the football program had proven it could also be successful at a high level despite the presence of terrible HC.

In fact, the new football stadium was already being built when Jurich got here and that was inarguably the most critical facilities upgrade in university history to date. Jurich came in and received heaps of praise for firing Cooper (what AD wouldn’t?) and coaxing Crum amicably out the door (what decent AD wouldn’t?). To borrow baseball terminology, I’m not sure Jurich’s WAR(wins above replacement) would justify the elevated status you and others grant him. In point of fact, it could easily be argued that his relative value was far below an average and acceptable contribution from an AD given the unprecedented and egregious pattern of public scandal that transpired willfully under his watch.

Jurich was about winning and that was to be commended, but the deification of ST Tomis as misguided as it is undeserved.
Is there a pro and con list in there among the throwaway rhetoric? Just start with PRO and CON, try to be succinct (surely a challenge), and put down whatever comes to mind below each. We will all add to your effort and see where this goes.

Good idea on your part...
 

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Well, if there’s one thing you know, it’s throwaway rhetoric. I know critical thinking is tough for you, but if you really need a pro/con list (an elementary exercise for those lacking basic skill in mental decompartmentalization), I’m sure you could devise one from my post above. I’ll even scaffold the lesson for you and start the CON list (very apt term here) by noting the FBI probe. All you after that.
 

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I don't mind getting us started on the Jurich PRO list. These are just off the top of my head... :)

Got us into first BCS conference (Big East)

Got us into first P5 conference (ACC)

Signed Rick Pitino, future HOF and national championship basketball coach, to a ONE million dollar contract

Developed basketball program into the highest revenue program nationally

Fixed U of L’s gender equity issues

Added four new sports: softball, golf, rowing, and lacrosse

Moved field hockey, women's soccer, and baseball to fully-funded programs

Football program won two BCS bowls and stadium expanded twice

Two Final Fours in women’s basketball, Top Ten program

Four CWS, Top Ten program

Men's Soccer Final Four

Hired Dan McDonnell, Jeff Walz, Arthur Albiero, Ken Lolla, Charlie Strong, Bobby Petrino, etc.

Developed sports park on Floyd St.

Built and expanded Jim Patterson Stadium

Built Trager Center indoor fieldhouse

Built Ralph Wright Natatorium

Built the Yum! Center (“Little Yum”)

Built the Marshall Center/Field Hockey Complex

Built the Garvin Brown III Center/boathouse

Enlarged the athletics compliance department

Added the school's first female associate athletic director/senior woman administrator

Partnered with Jewish Hospital in sports medicine

Developed L-Care and CardsFIT to promote student-athlete community involvement

AD Honor Roll set unprecedented benchmarks
 

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I love what TJ had done for the university, but he wasn’t God.

Our basketball program is a laughing stock, because he was a friend instead of a boss to Pitino. He hired the worst football coach in the world (Kragthorpe), and then the dumbest contract in the world for our current coach.
 
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Want to know what I hated about Jurich? He always wanted to hire Western Football coaches, who play out score you football. Hell we all know offense attracts fans with limited football knowledgeable, which fills seats. However, this type football does not work in the Power Five Football World! Eastern and Southern
Power Five Football coaches know without strong defense, you are not winning National Championships. Bobby and the Western concept style of football needs to be purged from Louisville's Football menu and very soon. Or enjoy becoming just doormat UK football usually is.
 

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Pretty sure Charlie Strong would disagree with that.
Jurich benefitted from a minority hire. This should have never entered into the Decision. Charlie just needed some offensive help. Bobby needs lots of defensive help!