Recruiting in today's game has to be fatiguing & maddening

[KingOfBBN]

I couldn't handle it. It's hard with the players you know are one and dones but it has to be maddening to see guys do it that really have no business leaving for the pros yet and leave a hole in your roster.

It would be like being an employer and having constant turnover, training a replacement that you expect to have for a few years only for them to bounce and you have to start all over.

 

[hart2chesson]

I couldn't handle it. It's hard with the players you know are one and dones but it has to be maddening to see guys do it that really have no business leaving for the pros yet and leave a hole in your roster.

It would be like being an employer and having constant turnover, training a replacement that you expect to have for a few years only for them to bounce and you have to start all over.

Good analogy about the employer part. Thats the part I hate about OAD's: the feeling like we're nothing more than a temp service.....OFC

 

[skysdad]

It's gotta be tough. You need to have something special to do it. OFC

 

[pisgah101]

I'd recruit players that's dream was to get to that level and develop them. If you have a constant supply of that in 3 and 4* players after about two years you would continually dominate

 

[DukeDenver]

I do research projects with undergrads one semester at a time. It can be maddening training new kids every year and never getting any useable data out of it. These days I look for '3 star' science talents who are freshmen/soph and have realistic outlooks and humble demeanors. The '5 star' students usually just want one semester of skills to use on med school applications. They usually produce more quickly but have zero commitment to the actual project. Sound familiar?

 

[KingOfBBN]

I'd recruit players that's dream was to get to that level and develop them. If you have a constant supply of that in 3 and 4* players after about two years you would continually dominate

In a perfect world, you could do this while adding maybe one (or two) one-and-done player to go with the roster every year. But that's easier said than done.

But with teams like VCU, Wichita State, Butler, South Carolina, etc making the Final Four with their rosters, we are seeing teams with veterans and great chemistry do well where as some of the blue bloods seem to constantly be young.

 

[KingOfBBN]

I read in Calipari's book a few years ago where he addresses the issue of "Why don't you get four stars who will stick around?" His rebuttal was, "Good luck convincing a kid they're not one (or two) and done."

That's a good point. We now have a system of where kids think they're failures if they don't leave early and are fed so much BS to their egos that they think they're ready for the pros regardless of evidence.

 

[KingOfBBN]

I do research projects with undergrads one semester at a time. It can be maddening training new kids every year and never getting any useable data out of it. These days I look for '3 star' science talents who are freshmen/soph and have realistic outlooks and humble demeanors. The '5 star' students usually just want one semester of skills to use on med school applications. They usually produce more quickly but have zero commitment to the actual project. Sound familiar?

Perfect comparison.

I worked in management a long time and I couldn't tell you how much it bothered me to spend so much time and resources training someone and then thinking I could depend on them to do their part and cover a department only for them to quit.

Kudos to K and Cal for dealing with this BS of trying to sell themselves to 18 year olds like this. I think my health would get the best of me as I couldn't deal with the stress of this BS.

 

[christophero]

Perfect comparison.

I worked in management a long time and I couldn't tell you how much it bothered me to spend so much time and resources training someone and then thinking I could depend on them to do their part and cover a department only for them to quit.

Kudos to K and Cal for dealing with this BS of trying to sell themselves to 18 year olds like this. I think my health would get the best of me as I couldn't deal with the stress of this BS.

I agree. We will never see a Tim Duncan situation again. Most top 50 guys seem to see themselves as one and done. It is what it is. Which is why I love that we are developing depth. I don't pretend to have the answers. You need top recruits; and you can't hope they don't play well just so they stay. But I like the team we are assembling. There does seem to be a slight change in recruiting strategy which I like. Balance. Of course, if fewer guys had transferred we would have that balance and depth. Just think if we had Jeter and Thornton as glue guys. Oh well. Sorry just thinking out loud. Go Duke!

 

[denverexpat]

I couldn't handle it. It's hard with the players you know are one and dones but it has to be maddening to see guys do it that really have no business leaving for the pros yet and leave a hole in your roster.

It would be like being an employer and having constant turnover, training a replacement that you expect to have for a few years only for them to bounce and you have to start all over.

I spent time recruiting D1 soccer players and numerous times we were rejected ( Full scholarship offers) by the player so they could attend a "named" program....Indiana, Virginia, Duke , UCLA etc.....we knew we were the better fit but there was no convincing them of that.....

This only gets compounded when the carrot of a Pro career and millions is placed before an 18yo and all they have to do is wait 12 months somewhere...

 

[Mac9192]

It makes for a good debate. The Tar Holes have just been fortunate that their talent is good, yet not good enough to leave too early. They want them too just haven't landed them. Bradley may be the first in quite a while. The other programs would love to have the talent Duke and Kentucky get, they just know that once Duke and Kentucky come calling their chances just probably went down the drain. You go after the best talent you can get. I like the mix method, 2 or 3 one and done "thinking" kids with 4 and 3 stars to develop. That way the cabinet isn't bare. Very few kids seem to want to wait their turn, especially when they see all the kids they've played with since they were 10-12 years old have success. Nothing is guaranteed, but maybe by working hard the coaches will play them some in hopes of having them be able to contribute. Say Delaurier starts to develop and his junior season he is a double double machine, would we blame him then for cashing in?

 

[KingOfBBN]

Another thing that sucks is those type of non- one and dones tend to transfer. It has happened many times to Kentucky. No one wants to wait.

 

[Duke1783]

Another thing that sucks is watching 4 first rounders lose in the first weekend

 

[Stevo-910]

all these kids goals are to play in the NBA. i look at it like this every top 20 recruit we land i expect them to be 1and done. not shocked when they leave and happy if they stay.

 

[pisgah101]

all these kids goals are to play in the NBA. i look at it like this every top 20 recruit we land i expect them to be 1and done. not shocked when they leave and happy if they stay.

Not all

 

[2 skerz 3_rivals208847]

I'd recruit players that's dream was to get to that level and develop them. If you have a constant supply of that in 3 and 4* players after about two years you would continually dominate

95% of the country employs this strategy. Most don't win championships.

 

[Tim1515]

I'd recruit players that's dream was to get to that level and develop them. If you have a constant supply of that in 3 and 4* players after about two years you would continually dominate

It is to much of an assumption that they all will develop. In this scenario you are recruiting...maybe 3 kids a year? How many 3/4* kids don't develop into great players? I mean isn't that essentially what every non-blue blood school does...and how consistent are they outside of the years they find a few gems?

So...back on target...you recruit 3 kids a year...1 becomes nba level as a senior and one as a junior. Your sophomores and freshman aren't ready because they are lower level talent. So you go 22-11 and are a 6th seed year after year?

I'm not say it would happen like that but it could...for a 5-year stretch...and it may when Ks gone.

I don't like the OAD and I've lost some of my passion for watching Duke basketball...but I understand Ks approach...especially because he can get them and he's close to the end.

 

[pisgah101]

95% of the country employs this strategy. Most don't win championships.

95% of the country start 5 4* upperclassmen? That's news to me

 

[KingOfBBN]

How many teams have won national championships with a lot of one and dones? There's only been two.

2010 Duke
2011 UConn
2013 Louisville
2014 UConn
2016 Nova

Was there a single one and done on any of these teams? They seem to be able to build a roster this way.

 

[dukiejay]

95% of the country start 5 4* upperclassmen? That's news to me

I think he's saying 95% of the country has no choice but to recruit as you suggest....and few of them are winning championships, let alone playing in Final Fours.

Duke needs to continue recruiting the best players in the country like the other best programs do every year.

 

[Laettner]

I get tired just following the process, being in it must be exhausting. K fortunately has Capel, Nate & Scheyer.

Schools such as 'Cuse are toast when they lose top assistants like Hopkins.

 

[2 skerz 3_rivals208847]

95% of the country start 5 4* upperclassmen? That's news to me

Way to change your narrative.

 

[pisgah101]

Way to change your narrative.

I didn't but that's what was said lol and I'll stick with it I never said do t recruit one and dones but why rely on them when u don't have to

 

[dukiejay]

I didn't but that's what was said lol and I'll stick with it I never said do t recruit one and dones but why rely on them when u don't have to

I think with consistent three- and four-star talent you'd find outcomes like this last season as pretty successful. Duke should never stop recruiting the best talent in the country. Ever. Duke has relied on the best players for 30+ years....don't break the model now. It's been quite rewarding for the program.

 

[pisgah101]

I think with consistent three- and four-star talent you'd find outcomes like this last season as pretty successful. Duke should never stop recruiting the best talent in the country. Ever. Duke has relied on the best players for 30+ years....don't break the model now. It's been quite rewarding for the program.

My point is you need those older players. They're talented too recruit the others but if the class doesn't turn out like you think you're screwed

 

[dukiejay]

My point is you need those older players. They're talented too recruit the others but if the class doesn't turn out like you think you're screwed

We'll find out. Multiple players who have been in the program multiple years will have great opportunities next season. For our team to be successful we're going to need Bolden, White, DeLaurier and Vrank to be good. And with the exception of Bolden, the other three will be expected back in 2017-18, as well. The major concern will, once again, be potentially losing our entire starting five.

 

[skysdad]

I couldn't handle it. It's hard with the players you know are one and dones but it has to be maddening to see guys do it that really have no business leaving for the pros yet and leave a hole in your roster.

It would be like being an employer and having constant turnover, training a replacement that you expect to have for a few years only for them to bounce and you have to start all over.

The worst thing is competing against hof coach roy williams and no matter how hard you work you will have to take his rejects and compete against everyone else just to get them. OFC