That doesn't fly. You can only do that for the 2017 Mike Riley class.
Recruiting Under Riley
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That doesn't fly. You can only do that for the 2017 Mike Riley class.
Mike is not competing against Bo. Bo is fired. He is coaching down a whole division because he couldn't get it done. Mike is competing against teams playing today and primarily against those in the Big 10.
But Riley is competing against Bo for showing how recruiting is improving. Which is what this whole conversation is about.
1. Not really. This conversation started only with how we are faring against other people. Look at the first graph.
2. Mike and Bo are pretty even in their recruiting heretofore by every objective measure.
Not with that attitude they won't. If they can't ever be expected to recruit on that level, then NU is never going to be elite again. Ever.
We're still waiting on a team with classes in the 20s to win it all. Doesn't happen.
People don't seem to realize those 90s teams had highly ranked classes.
My attitude is irrelevent. I don't have to recruit. Simple location tells you that you will not compete 1-85 with those teams.
Wow. They are signing the ones they want and not settling? And we still aren't ranked much higher than the Pelini years and now that he has his recruits we are 2-2 with a home loss to a MAC team. That's depressing
His recruits are redshirt freshmen/sophomores. Big difference between that and being in year 7 and still not getting it done, finishing 3rd in the West in 2013-2014 and unranked in 2012-2014.
Serious question. Do you actually watch the games? Can you honestly say this team is progressing? Even the Juniors and Seniors have been getting coached by him for 2.5 years. If you really watch the games than you can't say this team is progressing......maybe this year.....but we are in a downward spiral since he got here. I would say the anomaly was last year. We won a lot of close games early against nobodies that we should have been blowing away.
First, there are no seniors. Practically zero. None.
Secondly, yes, I watch games and actually rewatch games to get a better understanding.
We've had a bad start to the year and hopefully a good deal of that is due to youth and inexperience.
Teams do go through growing pains. Just look at Stanford, Florida State. Even Florida/Michigan look terrible on offense again. K-State last year was young and terrible.
Huh? No SR??? 3 starters on offense and 4 on defense. Not to mention there's 5 or 6 red shirt JR on offense alone. If 5 years isn't enough time, then ????
Guys, Mike Riley is a better recruiter than Bo Pelini was. I don't know how anyone can disagree with this. Better appproach, organization, visits, etc.
This shouldn't be about bo vs Mike.
However, if you're going to hold one coach accountable for things you have to do the same for the next coach.
-one complaint about Bo was players not showing up. Same with Riley.
-one complaint about Bo was lulls in recruiting and last second type stuff. Same with Riley, but with excuses attached.
-one complaint with Bo was middle of the pack classes. Same with Riley, with excuses attached. Things are trending up.
However, if you are honest with yourself, and we're told in year 1 that by year three the class would be ranked this low with three defectors, I bet most wouldn't believe it or wouldn't be saying it's a good job.
The fact of the matter is that winning matters. It might not to a recruit here or there, but to pull in top 15 classes, which Nebraska is capable of, you gotta win.
Can Riley win?
This shouldn't be about bo vs Mike.
However, if you're going to hold one coach accountable for things you have to do the same for the next coach.
-one complaint about Bo was players not showing up. Same with Riley.
-one complaint about Bo was lulls in recruiting and last second type stuff. Same with Riley, but with excuses attached.
-one complaint with Bo was middle of the pack classes. Same with Riley, with excuses attached. Things are trending up.
However, if you are honest with yourself, and we're told in year 1 that by year three the class would be ranked this low with three defectors, I bet most wouldn't believe it or wouldn't be saying it's a good job.
The fact of the matter is that winning matters. It might not to a recruit here or there, but to pull in top 15 classes, which Nebraska is capable of, you gotta win.
Can Riley win?
You can dice and splice subjective rankings all you want! But there is no denying....There is alot to like about Riley's recruiting.
-He's much more organized than his predecesor
-he's putting a great deal of energy and resources into recruiting
- he's embracing game day, the best tool we have (another thing his predecesor didn't care for)
-he's attracting kid's through long time great relationships, see KJJ
- he's attracting sons of big time people in the industry with insider knowledge, JD Speilman, Kade Warner, Ben MIles, again KJJ
-He's got our best current recruit (Bookie) commitment solely on the fact that he's the coach
-He's trustworthy, respected and admired.
Now, please coach and he'll be the whole package
-He's much more organized than his predecesor
-he's putting a great deal of energy and resources into recruiting
- he's embracing game day, the best tool we have (another thing his predecesor didn't care for)
-he's attracting kid's through long time great relationships, see KJJ
- he's attracting sons of big time people in the industry with insider knowledge, JD Speilman, Kade Warner, Ben MIles, again KJJ
-He's got our best current recruit (Bookie) commitment solely on the fact that he's the coach
-He's trustworthy, respected and admired.
Now, please coach and he'll be the whole package
Agree.
Needs to win now.
And to beat the haters, no I don't mean a NC in year three. NIU..,yes.
I typed it and then realized I was saying essentially the same thing you did. And yes, he does need to win now. There is urgency and Eichorst firing spells that out load and clear. This is why I was surprised he didn't sit Lee for just one series and try to settle him down.
As is shown in your post, Pelini recruited a lot of jucos and would have continued recruiting jucos the last 3 years if he was still here so it's stupid to compare when this staff chose not to recruit jucos.
Pelini relied heavily on jucos. It's stupid not to consider this when looking at the current roster of upperclassmen.
Just because it's more organized doesn't mean it's actually better. Riley does a good job of getting interest from top players and getting them on visits, but he doesn't do a very good job of actually pulling them. Pelini may have been more disorganized but he still got similar results.
I know what you are saying, but he has put a much better network in place and the results will show it IF....big if....he gets this season turned around.