Refs make the SEC unwatchable

[TheDude73]

52 fouls in A&M vs Vandy

And the SEC league office just says "hehehe, man look how PHYSICAL our league is!!"

And then comes the NCAAT - half of the SEC teams get knocked out because that physicality they got away with from the league refs trying to portray this "so physical" and "tough" league gets laughed off the court.

It's like clockwork every year the SEC is strong - this "physicality" is worthless when the refs will just foul your *** out and set the game straight early on.

 

[TheDude73]

I don’t even care so much about the disparity in the numbers. It’s just awful how bad many of the calls are, and even worse are the no calls.

I counted at least 15 times OU's players moved during screens. That was just when I decided to start looking because it was obvious a few times with no calls. They and many other teams now use those "whoops I'm moving in that direction" as "screens" when it's clearly an effort to hide a moving screen but still screen the player.

Almost every time they screened at the top of the key their feet were moving. Or they'd do a quick hitter screen then roll into another fully-moving screen of another player to free up the lane. It's like they are acting like they are just moving to a new spot on the floor, but oddly and conveniently that moving to another spot involves bodying up against a defender as if that defender is arbitrarily in their way to that said spot. What they are really doing is, MOVING SCREENING!

And then there was that blatant bad call against Brea when the dude hooked his arm around his body to get to the rim. Just god awful obvious - there was no way one of the three refs didn't see that arm wrapped around our guy. Total hook and shove to get clearance to the lane.

Oh and the out of bounds on one end of the court. Dude clearly was the last one to touch it, one ref called it our way but that idiot vampire looking dude waved it off. Of course they didn't replay it, so I did. We had no hands anywhere near the ball - the OU player was 100% the last one to touch it - there wasn't even a reason to dispute.

 

[TheDude73]

Last night KY had 21 fouls and OK had 2 fouls. The refs do not have anything against us or any other team. We are playing is an time that will continue to emulate the NBA as far as fouls. The refs no doubt have been, for past couple of years, been told to let the play. What use to be fouls are no longer called. Last night we fouled several times as did OK that were not called and will not be called in future games. Why we continue to cry , it the damn refs, is foolish. Actually last night I thouf=ghtwe had a better whistle than the home team. It is not going to change, and Pope will at some point teach tough man to man agressive defense. To do this we need quicker kids recruited going forward.

You must be a ref. Gotta stand up for your brethren, even when they suck bad!

 

[TheDude73]

I said that a few times. The officiating is really had in the Big East and I watched Illinois get completely screwed at Michigan State.

But that doesn't mean those leagues call more fouls, it just means the officiating controlled the games and favored one team.

The SEC led the nation in foul calls last year by a lot and I bet it leads again this year.

All I can hear when I read your post is Jimmy Dykes saying "man, the SEC is the most physical team in college basketball, historically!"

That's how it's justified. The SEC league office is football first, and they love the idea that the image that our league gives off is that we're a physical, TOUGH league. But none of that translates to the NCAAT. All that beating up on each other all year long is actually a negative come tournament time.

 

[TheDude73]

2 hours and 45 minutes for a game that didn't go into any overtimes is ridiculous.

And took away 15 minutes of the start of my recorded YouTubeTV game. I was pissed to come on and see the start of my recording showing the end of that Vandy game only to find out there was only 6:44 left in the first half of the UK game. Just pissed.

Why can't YTTV figure out a way to record the alternate channel???

 

[sambowieshin_rivals]

Total BS. So was the overruled out of bounds call off of the OK player with about 11 min in the game.
It wasn't even a close call and I think it was Shows that overruled the ref that called it off OK.
Don't care what anyone says.... Some of these refs are crooked AF.

 

[wldktz1]

The fact that there were reviewing the end of the game to possibly issue a technical on UK is almost criminal. It would have been an injustice to that game. Just end the game and get out of there.

 

[Dablueman]

Point spread was 2.5 UK won by 1 they got the job done that Vegas paid em to do.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Point spread was 2.5 UK won by 1 they got the job done that Vegas paid em to do.

For the people that believe this kind of thing so intensely, I wonder what is even the point of you watching sports. In your mind, you might as well be watching a predetermined fake sport like WWE

 

[Friedas_Boss]

Y'all's new coach is doing a good job this year. I guess you're pleased with him.

We love him. Regardless of whether we get into the Big Dance or not, we know we hired a good one. Good person, good teacher, and most of all, Byington’s teams fight like hell. Fun to watch even if we aren’t the most talented team.

 

[whack0001]

Is that the one they went back and looked at and gave the foul to Butler? If so, that’s even more egregious since Butler was nowhere near him.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Is that the one they went back and looked at and gave the foul to Butler? If so, that’s even more egregious since Butler was nowhere near him.

You mean when the refs did us a solid and took Amari’s third foul away? Weird thing to complain about. If they hadn’t changed it, we’d have less Amari on the floor

 

[TortElvisII]

Is that the one they went back and looked at and gave the foul to Butler? If so, that’s even more egregious since Butler was nowhere near him.

Yes

 

[littlecreek]

We love him. Regardless of whether we get into the Big Dance or not, we know we hired a good one. Good person, good teacher, and most of all, Byington’s teams fight like hell. Fun to watch even if we aren’t the most talented team.

I'm in the southern part of Kentucky so I'm actually closer to Nashville than Lexington. I want Vandy to do well because they've been the underdogs so long.

 

[Runt#1969]

SEC teams are going to really struggle with foul trouble in the tournament. The SEC is physical, and been officiated that way. It's not gonna be that way in the NCAAT.

fify

I keep getting the sneaky suspicion that the SEC is going to find out in the NCAA tournament that all the physical wrestling and hand checking and movement impeding defense and knocking down players, and their own flopping, is going to get some teams upset. Won't surprise me at ALL if Kentucky is one of the last SEC schools left standing. And why ?

Because we aren't flopping or falling down trying to sell the officials on bailing us out. We're trying to finish strong and BE STRONG in the face of that. Our guys should have learned to be that way by now, instead of giving in and adopting what other teams are doing. Stay strong, finish strong and it will even out in the post season.

The SEC may be in for a shock when the other teams get the kind of neutral court whistle they are going to experience in the big dance.

 

[TortElvisII]

"Yes, a referee can call a technical foul in basketball even after the game clock has expired, as long as the infraction occurs before the game is officially over and the officials have left the court; this is because technical fouls are often assessed for actions like unsportsmanlike conduct, which can happen even when the ball is dead or the clock has stopped. "

One exception is if the ball is in the air while the clock has double zeros. A foul can still be called. I can find nothing that says the referees hanging out on the court gives them the power to call fouls or infractions after the game has ended.

 

[WeWant9_rivals]

The league is giving the B10 a run for its money on how long games go. Not a good thing.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

"I didn't see anything, and I didn't call anything, but I am going to review the footage in slow motion to see if I can find an excuse to take Kentucky's win."

And some here still don't think we should talk about how crooked these guys are.

He ran over to Garrison he wanted so bad to be the one who called it even though he knew the game was over.

 

[whack0001]

You mean when the refs did us a solid and took Amari’s third foul away? Weird thing to complain about. If they hadn’t changed it, we’d have less Amari on the floor

I’m not complaining they switched the foul. I’m complaining they called a foul at all. Tell me how Butler fouled him on that play. He’s nowhere near him.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

I’m not complaining they switched the foul. I’m complaining they called a foul at all. Tell me how Butler fouled him on that play. He’s nowhere near him.

Oh I don’t disagree that it was a missed call. I was pointing out that someone said that the fact that they switched the foul made it even worse. That was a head scratching comment. The call was bad, but switching it to Butler was at least helpful

 

[whack0001]

Oh I don’t disagree that it was a missed call. I was pointing out that someone said that the fact that they switched the foul made it even worse. That was a head scratching comment. The call was bad, but switching it to Butler was at least helpful

Yeah I said that. It didn’t make the situation worse, giving the foul to Butler helped us, but it made the actual foul call much worse cause Butler was nowhere near him.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Yeah I said that. It didn’t make the situation worse, giving the foul to Butler helped us, but it made the actual foul call much worse cause Butler was nowhere near him.

That doesn’t make it obvious to you that they saw they blew the call and tried to make up for it?

 

[whack0001]

It makes it obvious to me that officials are incompetent and make **** up as they go.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

It makes it obvious to me that officials are incompetent and make **** up as they go.

College refs certainly aren’t infallible. I think most people who have officiated basketball can appreciate how difficult it really can be at times.

 

[Digger-Cat]

That wasn’t the story because A&M started intentionally fouling us with over three minutes to go but for most of the game there was a huge gap in fouls called on Vandy and fouls called on TA&M.

It was 28 free throws to 13 with about 5 minutes left. 18 fouls on VU, 9 on A&M.

A&M was mugging us…. No call. Then they got a single hand on them, whistle and to the line.

SEC refs are so insanely bad.

Man, I don't get how teams like aTm, Tennessee and Alabama can play so physical, basically strip the skin off the other team and not have any key players get in foul trouble, but the second anyone else tries to play physical, they're key guys are all sitting on the pine in serious foul trouble.

I'm fine with it if you're going to call a game however you want, just call it the same for both teams.

 

[phyrekat]

Said he was checking to see if a tech occurred before the clock ran out.

So after all of OK’s pushing and grabbing and taunting all night, they were going to try to give us a loss because BG yelled at the end. Good guys survived this one.

Completely disregarding the intentional foul after the clock at the end of the game....

 

[Digger-Cat]

The classic throw both arms up and kick your head back. SEC refs have been buying this for years, I’m certain that most coaches are now teaching this. Except UK. Weird how Theiro didn’t do it here but it’s a staple in his game now.

It boggles my mind how they continue to buy that after all these years.
The other one they can't figure out, is when a pg, like Sears and Wade Taylor, 'bowling ball' their way into the paint, jumps sideways and God forbid a defender flinches, or… breathes, it's a foul. How the heck do you play defense there?

 

[Digger-Cat]

All I can hear when I read your post is Jimmy Dykes saying "man, the SEC is the most physical team in college basketball, historically!"

That's how it's justified. The SEC league office is football first, and they love the idea that the image that our league gives off is that we're a physical, TOUGH league. But none of that translates to the NCAAT. All that beating up on each other all year long is actually a negative come tournament time.

Damn man, I was being cool, then you go and throw shade at me by calling me Jimmy Dykes.

 

[Digger-Cat]

fify

I keep getting the sneaky suspicion that the SEC is going to find out in the NCAA tournament that all the physical wrestling and hand checking and movement impeding defense and knocking down players, and their own flopping, is going to get some teams upset. Won't surprise me at ALL if Kentucky is one of the last SEC schools left standing. And why ?

Because we aren't flopping or falling down trying to sell the officials on bailing us out. We're trying to finish strong and BE STRONG in the face of that. Our guys should have learned to be that way by now, instead of giving in and adopting what other teams are doing. Stay strong, finish strong and it will even out in the post season.

The SEC may be in for a shock when the other teams get the kind of neutral court whistle they are going to experience in the big dance.

That really hurts Tennessee and aTm, I feel like the other teams will adjust. Tennessee and aTm HAVE to manhandle teams to win, because they struggle to score.

Our guys have fought foul trouble all season, Pope has it figured out. The injuries have helped strengthen our bench, so I really like our makeup.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

I counted at least 15 times OU's players moved during screens. That was just when I decided to start looking because it was obvious a few times with no calls. They and many other teams now use those "whoops I'm moving in that direction" as "screens" when it's clearly an effort to hide a moving screen but still screen the player.

Almost every time they screened at the top of the key their feet were moving. Or they'd do a quick hitter screen then roll into another fully-moving screen of another player to free up the lane. It's like they are acting like they are just moving to a new spot on the floor, but oddly and conveniently that moving to another spot involves bodying up against a defender as if that defender is arbitrarily in their way to that said spot. What they are really doing is, MOVING SCREENING!

And then there was that blatant bad call against Brea when the dude hooked his arm around his body to get to the rim. Just god awful obvious - there was no way one of the three refs didn't see that arm wrapped around our guy. Total hook and shove to get clearance to the lane.

Oh and the out of bounds on one end of the court. Dude clearly was the last one to touch it, one ref called it our way but that idiot vampire looking dude waved it off. Of course they didn't replay it, so I did. We had no hands anywhere near the ball - the OU player was 100% the last one to touch it - there wasn't even a reason to dispute.

Those “not screens” you’re talking about are coached. Lot of teams doing it constantly.

 

[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

Well A&M plays like a Football team but still ridiculous.

The number of fouls called really should not be the focus. Were the calls correct according to the rules or not? That is really all that should matter. If it is too disruptive to flow then consider rule adjustments. Consistency in calling things would force a lot of coaches to clean it up. You will always have coaches that are going to push however far the Ref's allow.

 

[Aike]

Explain to me again how we are supposed to be good with this? What a joke.

 

[Dablueman]

For the people that believe this kind of thing so intensely, I wonder what is even the point of you watching sports. In your mind, you might as well be watching a predetermined fake sport like WWE

If you think that some of this doesn't go on then you are ridiculously niave. Here is a link about college players shaving points from sports illustrated. If you think thar officials in all sports are above it somehow then you don't grasp human nature. Tim Donaghy an NBA ref was got up in a scandal shaving points in 2007. For everyone who gets caught there are plenty or don't.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

If you think that some of this doesn't go on then you are ridiculously niave. Here is a link about college players shaving points from sports illustrated. If you think thar officials in all sports are above it somehow then you don't grasp human nature. Tim Donaghy an NBA ref was got up in a scandal shaving points in 2007. For everyone who gets caught there are plenty or don't.

No I meant what I said. If I believed it was that rampant I can’t see why CBB matters any at all. At that point you’re watching WWE

 

[Dablueman]

No I meant what I said. If I believed it was that rampant I can’t see why CBB matters any at all. At that point you’re watching WWE

Do you know how many college point shaving scandals there have been involving players? UK even had one. Like I said niave if you think the college game isn't important enough for organized crime and Vegas money to get involved

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Do you know how many college point shaving scandals there have been involving players? UK even had one. Like I said niave if you think the college game isn't important enough for organized crime and Vegas money to get involved

That isn’t what I said. I didn’t say refs are good and scandals don’t happen. I said if I believed literally every game was rigged (like many on RR) I can’t see what the point of watching is. At that point, you’re watching a predetermined quasi-sport like WWE. As for you or anyone else, you can believe what you want and enjoy what you want. For me, it would be pointless to watch

 

[Aike]

Another 2 and 1/2 hour game. Not sure how many monitor reviews since the plug was pulled.

Took the last ounce of life we were clinging to with that F1 on Butler.

We played very poorly. Give Auburn credit for some of that. A lot of it falls on our shoulders. The bench, made up mostly of freshmen, was not ready for this grown man game against 25 year olds.

But the officiating is indefensible.